There are 4 messages totalling 352 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Forever Knight book by Gwenn Musicate 2. the 1st War 3. McLisa answers questions, was Re: The 1st war 4. Chocolate Frogs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 17:56:03 -0400 From: Ramona Jackson <lexyladyjax@g.......> Subject: Re: Forever Knight book by Gwenn Musicate Yesterday I learned of Gwenn Musicate's FK book and I immediately Googled her in an attempt to locate and purchase said book. My hopes were shattered when I learned it was sold out. :-0 I wrote to Ms Musicate and asked her if there were any plans to publish another edition or to publish in Kindle format and she responded in the negative. Herewith I beg and entreat anyone who may have a spare copy to share it with me. If one copy is all that you have and you would trust me to read and return it I promise that I am honest, trustworthy and true-hearted, and would return it as soon as I've read it. (I'm a speed-reader so it wouldn't take very long.) I'd be delighted to pay Priority Postage both ways. If you have kindness and the book, please contact me off-list and gladden my heart. Mona ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 17:01:51 -0500 From: Greer Watson <gwatson2@r.......> Subject: Re: the 1st War Jean Prior wrote: > And OMG, I'm something of a packrat Me, too. *Total* sympathy. In these days when everyone is anti-hoarder, far too much is getting tossed. I'd hate to be an historian a century from now. > Back then, no one was expecting we'd all be here in > 2011, so I don't think anyone made a huge point of keeping archives of > all the emails that were flying back and forth. Archiving takes a certain frame of mind, doesn't it? In that first flurry of enthusiasm, everyone was living in the moment--or living for the next e-mail, more like. > And I think some of them might be on actual floppies... y'know, the kind > that still flopped? The trouble with those is finding something that is still capable of reading them. (Looks hopefully.) > I should email Bill Verity sometime (our postmaster) and see if Penn State > ever archived this sorta thing on dusty tape or anything. Worth a try. (I suspect I know the answer, but *still* worth a try.) According to old FAQs, it was once possible to get back posts by sending the PSU server a code with the date in it. (Though whether *all* prior dates, I don't know. Certainly, there was a point where you could only get them for the previous month.) Then--as the terms of service changed--there was no way to get back posts at all. I suspect a big purge of their system, but...what does an e-mail cost? Not even a postage stamp. > folks just kinda naturally coagulated. *snicker* Now, there's an image. > We should totally plan for some kind of huge fan > gathering somewhere !!!!!!!!! Greer gwatson2@r....... http://www.foreverknight.org/FK4/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 18:44:26 -0500 From: L McDavid <mclisa1014@g.......> Subject: McLisa answers questions, was Re: The 1st war On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Greer Watson > You asked for specific questions, McLisa; so here are a few. > Ok, here goes. > > 1. You said: > > > Undoubtedly clear when you wrote it but.... Are you saying that you *were* > one of the initial targets? No, I wasn't. I don't recall who the first two or three (it was a very small number) were. I do know I enjoyed the responses and wanted to play. "torments" were posted, you e-mailed someone and said eagerly, "Me too! Me > too!"? > Exactly. I wrote to somebody, probably Laurie, and asked to be included. I think she said I was supposed to be immune, so maybe I was listowning at the time after all. I can't think of any other reason why I'd be granted immunity. :) > > 2. Sandye Chisholm? > Yes! Thank you -- there are times when my memory has the consistency of Swiss cheese. <g> > > 3. The story of how the wars started has passed into legend. With no > apparent extant record of those early posts (sigh), one is reliant on a > combination of memory and old websites. Somewhere I should have a printout of the first war. I can ask on Facebook if anyone who used to be on the FK lists back then has one. > Everyone agrees that Sharon Scott > was rash enough to tell everyone she was scared of frogs. Yes, but that was independent of the wars. Then apparently > two people sent her chocolate frogs in the mail. (Where they got them is a > fascinating question: I don't think I've ever even seen chocolate frogs.) > I've never seen any either, but they came across a package in some kind of novelty and/or candy stores, whereupon they naturally had to send some to Scottie (as she was and is called.) > Most accounts simply say "two Cousins", though obviously at that > point they were LaCroix fans, not Cousins per se. The Cousins got their > name as a result of this incident. You once called them "LaCroixettes", > which I gather was an early name or a proposed name, or something of that > sort. > Remember the reference to John Dencoff as one of the first attackers? He had a running gag about a lounge act with LaCroix and the LaCroixettes, singers/dancers. The Cousins have always been LaCroix fans. It's just that the name gradually changed. Scottie was a Knightie, so naturally they presented the frogs as a Forever Knight gift. :) That's also how LaCroix got to be called "Uncle," on the theory that if his followers were Cousins, he must be our uncle. At the first DoW, I just remembered, some of the Cousins spotted a tee-shirt that said "Uncle" in the nearby mall and presented it to Nigel. He wore it, of course. . > Did they act together, or attack separately? I've seen it said that > they *independently* sent the frogs; but that does seem very odd. No, they were together. I think one was visiting the other at the time. > I mean, I > can see two people independently deciding to play a practical joke; and > obviously, in the circumstances, the joke would involve frogs. But I can > think, just off the top of my head, of several frog-related things they > could have sent. Both sent *chocolate frogs*. (There's definitely a > question in there, but probably not one *you* can answer.) > No, but I'm going Googling after I finish here, just out of curiosity. I like frogs and I love chocolate, but the combination _is_ weird. > Sharon then wrote back, calling them "cousins"; and they retorted > that if they were Cousins, then LaCroix was their Uncle. (Oh, those lost > posts.) > What she said, was that they were so mean, the must be related. The perpetrators then decided that were cousins, and the ball started rolling. > She then apparently wrote a story. Do you, or does anyone happen to > have a copy of it? Because it was her appeal to Nick that inspired > Laurie...and history was born; but the story does not appear to have been > archived. It may, of course, have been very short. > Now that you mention it, I do have a faint recollection of this, but no details and no copy. This was before we had a volunteer archivist or archive site. We'd been archived at PSU like the rest of their lists, but our volume on both Forkni-l and Fkfic-l got so high, the then listowners (not me, at that point) agreed to not being archived. A pity, but this was also before sites like Google for lists and we needed to stay at PSU. > > 4. Prior to the war, I gather there had been some discussion on list about > people preferring one character over another. Someone had taken an impromptu poll of preferences. At first I was one of those who didn't want to make a choice. I must have been a listowner at that point, because I remember wondering if maybe as a listowner I should not express a preference. I've done several stints as owner, hence the vagueness. > Affiliations in the egg, so > to speak. Yes, and the nicknames. I assume the first attackees were picked on the basis of things > they had posted. I still don't recall a pattern, but that may be because it was so long ago. This doesn't mean there wasn't one. It can't have been Knighties only, or I would have assumed I wasn't being attacked because I was a Die-Hard. > I assume Knighties/Nicholaaahs (both names were used in > War One) were picked because either (a) Sharon was one, and/or (b) they > were the largest group of targets? Sharon was most definitely a Knightie! I think the affiliations, which was what we called them then were about equal in numbers for Nick, LaCroix and Janette. I may be mistaken. I just don't know as to why the first few were chosen. > At any rate, if I recall War One correctly, > all the first targets were affiliated with Nick. > Perfectly likely. > Do you recall if the first attackees were particularly noisy on > list? It was, after all, a busy list: one wonders why *they* were picked. > They were very active members, and I think they were all fanfic writers. > > 5. The Wicked Warren. Yes, I remember that *startling* development from > when I read War One. Clearly there were Watership Down fans among you! Do > you recall anything about the choice of name, and all the rabbit pseudonyms > people used towards the end of the war? Why Watership Down? > That was Sandye's doing -- I presume she was the Watership Down fan. I think the rabbit pseudonyms were hers too. I had read WD but wasn't up on it enough to come up with a nom de guerre on my own. The Wicked Warren was a War One thing only. Was this a mutual > decision, and why? > I don't really know. Sandye contacted me several months ago offlist. I can see if I still have the address and ask is she'd mind e-talking to you. I think it was simply that war two was more of a faction thing, the affiliations having become more important in the list's life. > > 6. From this past war (and Susan's War Tutorial), I know how much goes on > behind the scenes. In the early stages of War One, obviously any off-list > stuff would have been between the three Cousins who started it, Laurie, > Margaret, and John. However, as things developed, the embryonic Knighties > must have organized themselves to some degree, and--to a lesser extent--the > other factions. Do you recall how much of this mailing loop stuff went on > during the war? > I don't recall anything but the Warren, and I know I was never on any sort of loop at the time, other than mailing each other about that.. I don't think there were any faction loops for War I. Maybe someone else can fill this in. > I also get the impression that it continued *after* the war, and is > the basis for the obvious emergence of clearly defined factions by War Two. > Would this be accurate? > Maybe. My impression is that the factions just sort of grew on us, so naturally by the time WII came along, they were included, > > Greer > > > McLisa (Lisa McDavid) "That will be trouble." listowner, Forkni-l & Fkfic-l mclisa1014@g....... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 19:11:52 -0500 From: L McDavid <mclisa1014@g.......> Subject: Chocolate Frogs I googled the phrase, as I said I would, and yes, they do exist, not all of them in connection with Harry Potter. The prank on Scottie was before the HP books. Anyway, I had to copy this ad. Little Dark *Chocolate Frogs*<http://www.luciennes.com/Little-Dark-Chocolate-Frogs-p/dark_frog_sm.htm>A pond full of little dark *chocolate frogs*, rich, dark and delicious, Made with our 70% dark chocolate, the 6 oz. bag contains about 50 little frogs. * ... because the maker lucienne.com! McL * ------------------------------ End of FORKNI-L Digest - 25 Mar 2011 to 26 Mar 2011 (#2011-42) **************************************************************
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