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Digest - 24 Mar 2011 to 25 Mar 2011 (#2011-41)

Fri, 25 Mar 2011

There are 3 messages totalling 158 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. the 1st War (2)
  2. The 1st war


Date:    Thu, 24 Mar 2011 23:46:45 -0400
From:    Jean Prior <phoenix@s.......>
Subject: Re: the 1st War

Actually, the posts the past couple of days had me fishing through my
archives to see what I could find.  And OMG, I'm something of a packrat
(I have email from 1996, for pity's sake!)

However, I wasn't /that/ bad of a packrat back in those days.  I
/believe/ I have some older archives, but to be honest, I wasn't on
digest back in the day, and I never really kept good archives then.  And
I think some of them might be on actual floppies... y'know, the kind
that still flopped?  Back then, no one was expecting we'd all be here in
2011, so I don't think anyone made a huge point of keeping archives of
all the emails that were flying back and forth.  I should email Bill
Verity sometime (our postmaster) and see if Penn State ever archived
this sorta thing on dusty tape or anything.

I know factions started up probably due to the first War, or at least
people realized 'HEY! This person's on my side!' and folks just kinda
naturally coagulated.

I honestly don't remember who complained about getting attacked in that
first War, but I do remember that we always made a point of ensuring
that participants were willing participants, no powerposing on
unsuspecting folks.  I vaguely recall it was someone who wasn't asked at
first and that's what caused the official rule: no attacking folks who
didn't want to participate.

Anyway... it's 2011.  I started this in December 1992.  Next year will
be our TWENTIETH YEAR.  We should totally plan for some kind of huge fan
gathering somewhere with t-shirts and buttons and invite the cast
members to join us if they want.  Cos dang, that is a big deal, IMHO.
Who wants to take the lead on organizing this thing?

List Founder and Forgetful Elder Stateskitty.


Date:    Thu, 24 Mar 2011 23:14:11 -0500
From:    Rebecca Hinson <rebeccahinson@c.......>
Subject: Re: the 1st War

Well....  I don't know anything about organizing a get together like
this, but if I could, I totally would.  I'd love to see as many of us as
possible get together.  It'd be even cooler if we could get some of the
people affiliated with the show to come too, but I'm just daydreaming
here.  LOL

~Cousin Becky

Jean Prior wrote:
> Anyway... it's 2011.  I started this in December 1992.  Next year will
> be our TWENTIETH YEAR.  We should totally plan for some kind of huge fan
> gathering somewhere with t-shirts and buttons and invite the cast
> members to join us if they want.  Cos dang, that is a big deal, IMHO.
> Who wants to take the lead on organizing this thing


Date:    Fri, 25 Mar 2011 15:25:43 -0500
From:    Greer Watson <gwatson2@r.......>
Subject: Re: The 1st war

You asked for specific questions, McLisa; so here are a few.

1.  You said:
> Nobody was warned at the outset. I don't know who chose
> the initial targets, but I had to ask to be one. They hadn't planned to
> attack me.

Undoubtedly clear when you wrote it but....  Are you saying that you *were*
one of the initial targets?  Or do you mean that, *after* the first few
"torments" were posted, you e-mailed someone and said eagerly, "Me too!  Me

2.  Sandye Chisholm?

3.  The story of how the wars started has passed into legend.  With no
apparent extant record of those early posts (sigh), one is reliant on a
combination of memory and old websites.  Everyone agrees that Sharon Scott
was rash enough to tell everyone she was scared of frogs.  Then apparently
two people sent her chocolate frogs in the mail.  (Where they got them is a
fascinating question:  I don't think I've ever even seen chocolate frogs.)
        Most accounts simply say "two Cousins", though obviously at that
point they were LaCroix fans, not Cousins per se.  The Cousins got their
name as a result of this incident.  You once called them "LaCroixettes",
which I gather was an early name or a proposed name, or something of that
        Did they act together, or attack separately?  I've seen it said that
they *independently* sent the frogs; but that does seem very odd.  I mean, I
can see two people independently deciding to play a practical joke; and
obviously, in the circumstances, the joke would involve frogs.  But I can
think, just off the top of my head, of several frog-related things they
could have sent.  Both sent *chocolate frogs*.  (There's definitely a
question in there, but probably not one *you* can answer.)
        Sharon then wrote back, calling them "cousins"; and they retorted
that if they were Cousins, then LaCroix was their Uncle.  (Oh, those lost
        She then apparently wrote a story.  Do you, or does anyone happen to
have a copy of it?  Because it was her appeal to Nick that inspired
Laurie...and history was born; but the story does not appear to have been
archived.  It may, of course, have been very short.

4.  Prior to the war, I gather there had been some discussion on list about
people preferring one character over another.  Affiliations in the egg, so
to speak.  I assume the first attackees were picked on the basis of things
they had posted.  I assume Knighties/Nicholaaahs (both names were used in
War One) were picked because either (a) Sharon was one, and/or (b) they were
the largest group of targets?  At any rate, if I recall War One correctly,
all the first targets were affiliated with Nick.
        Do you recall if the first attackees were particularly noisy on
list?  It was, after all, a busy list:  one wonders why *they* were picked.

5.  The Wicked Warren.  Yes, I remember that *startling* development from
when I read War One.  Clearly there were Watership Down fans among you!  Do
you recall anything about the choice of name, and all the rabbit pseudonyms
people used towards the end of the war?  Why Watership Down?
        The Wicked Warren was a War One thing only.  Was this a mutual
decision, and why?

6.  From this past war (and Susan's War Tutorial), I know how much goes on
behind the scenes.  In the early stages of War One, obviously any off-list
stuff would have been between the three Cousins who started it, Laurie,
Margaret, and John.  However, as things developed, the embryonic Knighties
must have organized themselves to some degree, and--to a lesser extent--the
other factions.  Do you recall how much of this mailing loop stuff went on
during the war?
        I also get the impression that it continued *after* the war, and is
the basis for the obvious emergence of clearly defined factions by War Two.
Would this be accurate?




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