FORKNI-L
Digest - 16 Feb 1996
Fri, 16 Feb 1996
There are 24 messages totalling 655 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. anthrovamp strikes again
2. TriStar Forwarding (2)
3. Urs' faction & Feeding the Beast
4. Deb Duchene on "Taking The Falls"
5. Urs' faction
6. FORKNI-L Digest - 15 Feb 1996
7. murder and Latin tag line
8. "nailing" Uncle, etc.
9. Schanke!
10. Ger's play
11. What is going on!
12. Psychic messages in blood? (2)
13. VD in Toronto
14. Deb Duchene - Toronto Star Article
15. Schanke!!
16. LaCroix = Population Control
17. *BEFORE* you read the Deb Article...!
18. Buyout
19. I'm mad as h***, but I'm gonna take it a bit longer
20. SOS Commercial
21. All these non-stories on FKFIC...
22. German Webpage Update
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 07:13:18 EST
From: Dotti Rhodes <104024.3407@c.......>
Subject: Re: anthrovamp strikes again
Yes, you would have a better chance of staying alive if you were with Nick - and
if you do have to go - my, my what a way to go!!
DottiR
Knightie4Ever
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 10:07:04 EST
From: Lisa McDavid <D020214@u.......>
Subject: TriStar Forwarding
Wait a minute, how does TriStar know that *unopened* mail, especially
if addressed to Feltheimer, is about FK?
Are some of us making the mistake of putting Forever Knight or any
other clue on the envelope?
Cousin Lisa -- "That will be trouble."
Lisa McDavid
mcdavid-lisa@s.......
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 11:13:35 -0400
From: "l.d. steele" <aa300@f.......>
Subject: Urs' faction & Feeding the Beast
> From: [Name removed by request]
> >Dawn wrote (and quoted me):
> > Well, well... We've already got a possibility.
>
> Ha ha. i don't see a smiley or a <g> but i'm going to treat your response as
> though one were there. But did i really come off that way?
> [Name removed by request]
You didn't. Definite <g> there. I'm glad to see someone starting a faction.
real :)
My typing has been atrocious lately (60 wpm to < 20 & typos galore). Got
labelled with "repetitive-strain" injuries. Yuck. :( But here I am, at the
forbidden keyboard again. :)
ObFK (do I need one?). -- Watched "Feeding the Beast" on Monday.
Definitely one of my favourite shows. It's such a definite contrast
(watching 1st & 3rd season at the same time). You realize how much the
show really <has> changed. Not so much Nick (stuck in stasis), but the
"supporting" characters.
LaCroix has really fleshed out, but Natalie has gone from being strong to
"tired". I <really> want to write some fanfic with her as the main
character. Got it all plotted out... Now I just have to (ouch!) type it
in. <G>
Dawn
aa300@f.......
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 11:15:01 -0400
From: Stapleton <d7ux@u.......>
Subject: Deb Duchene on "Taking The Falls"
I was watching "Taking The Falls" last night on CTV (taped it, too), when
lo and behold, I spot Deb Duchene, playing a character called Amelia - a
spoiled lush, who can't wait for her excessively rich father dies. She
and her sister are quite surprised when their father decides to change
his will so that it goes to his illegitimate son - who they've never met.
Needless to say, the antics are rather funny. It is a rather quirky show.
The fellow who appeared as Roger Jamison from Only The Lonely, was also
in this ep. - as a good guy, set up on a blind date by Kathrine for her
partner Terry Lane - a tomboy with a lousy track record with men. As she
puts it: "I don't date guys who are strangers or mama's boys, or call me
"honey". two are in jail, one's become a priest, another went over the
Falls in a barrel [etc. etc]." Then shortly after she checks her
answering machine and there's a message from a mama's boy, one who just
got out of prison, and another who called her "honey".
So far this season on "Taking The Falls", the following FK cast/guests
have appeared on the show: Nigel Bennett, Deb Duchene, Jennifer Dale
(Baronness Sophia - To Die For ), Geordie Johnson (talk show host - My
Boyfriend Is A Vampire), "Roger Jamison" - Only The Lonely, the neurotic at
the beginning of "Can't Run, Can't Hide". That's all I can think of so
far. There's likely to be more.
For those of you going to see Deb this weekend in Toronto, Have the best
time - wish I could go. Tell her her performance on "Taking The Falls"
was great.
Lynn Stapleton
NatPacker
d7ux@u.......
"Ain't love a bitch." - Natalie, "Stranger Than Fiction
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 11:32:53 -0500
From: "Alora C. Chistiakoff" <acc0924@i.......>
Subject: Re: Urs' faction
On Thu, 15 Feb 1996, Muldy Sculler wrote:
> Alora,
> Think about this--seeing that sig. would bring you closer to Nick's
> suffering. Afterall, isn't that what a good catholic upbringing all about?
Only one problem with that, Barbara: while there are a great *many*
things I would *love* to share with Nick (and boy is that list long <g>),
his perpetual suffering is *not* one of them.
Alora <acc0924@i.......>
The commercial-making, TriStar-staking, rampaging Natpacker!
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 11:47:58 -0500
From: John Ewan <jwe@m.......>
Subject: Re: FORKNI-L Digest - 15 Feb 1996
At 17:00 2/15/96 -0500, Cousin Christy wrote:
>Heheheh...when I read this I had this vision of Uncle licking his lips and
> justifying to Nicholas his choice of Tracy as dinner:
A thought came to mind; with Uncle's luck with children, if LC brought Tracy
across and then *she* brought across her dear ol' dad, Commissioner
Vetter.... that might give Uncle a foe worth his attention. <g> All in
addition to having both disobedient children working together.
John, Ratpacker in mourning; gonna be a Merc in the next War. I'll take the
jobs no one else wants, payment in Hershey's chocolate. Good basic work for
good basic pay. <g>
The "Forever Knight" show has been cancelled on USA; check this URL for the
latest information! http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 11:49:53 -0500
From: "Alora C. Chistiakoff" <acc0924@i.......>
Subject: Re: TriStar Forwarding
On Fri, 16 Feb 1996, Lisa McDavid wrote:
> Wait a minute, how does TriStar know that *unopened* mail, especially
> if addressed to Feltheimer, is about FK?
I don't know, I asked Kira that, but she wasn't sure either. I asked her
to ask him that when she speaks to him again today. I think maybe some of
them do say "Forever Knight" on the envelope.
Forget TriStar anyway. They're a bunch of <insert the explitive of choice
here>! Sony is our only shot!
Alora <acc0924@i.......>
The commercial-making, TriStar-staking, rampaging Natpacker!
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 09:22:47 -0800
From: Kate Kramer <seadog@h.......>
Subject: Re: murder and Latin tag line
At 10:12 PM 2/14/96 -0500, you wrote:
>But isn't that different from *killing* a child? It's true that some
>people don't like or value children, but those people don't usually
>purposely kill children as a vampire purposely kills humans. Those humans
>that *do* kill children are usually either disturbed or heartless. So are
>vampires disturbed or heartless then in killing humans? They were once
>humans themselves, after all.
It is natural for children to become adults...we assume it will happen,
that all children have the "seeds" of adults within them. We do not assume
that all humans will become vampires. Most humans in fact are unsuited to
be vampires and would not survive the centuries. Thus I would assume a
vampire would be very careful about who s/he brings across. Why waste your
time and effort with someone who would not make it anyway. Vampires are not
completely solitary preditors (as witness the success of Raven), it appears
they value company at least some of the time. The humans who are potential
vampires might be valued. The rest of humanity is a meal. One could make a
case that the most successful vampires never were actually human. Oh,
genetically, yes. But psychologically?
Kate Kramer
Windward Farm
Running Hounds and Working Terriers
Bandon-by-the-Sea, OR
seadog@h.......
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 12:34:39 -0500
From: Dalton Spence <dalton.spence@f.......>
Subject: "nailing" Uncle, etc.
On Thur, 15 Feb 1996, Michelle Mark <Raindance2@a.......> wrote
>There are so many dimensions to LC's persona that they would
>need to give him his own show every week just to scratch the surface.
Now, THERE'S a thought. Imagine, if you will, a spinoff series where the
vampire protagonist is proud to be what he is, not angst ridden. Instead of
using a vampire as a darkling superhero, the series could explore the
emotional and dramatic issues of a strong personality approaching his (and
Christendom's) third millennium. Of course, to be dramatically effective,
he would need a mortal pet as a sounding board, and some new vampire
friends as incidental characters.
In direct contrast to his original role as Nick's <bete noir>, LC has
become (IMHO) the epitome of the well adjusted vampire. I honestly don't
think that his character can evolve any further within the confines of FK
without a complete redefinition of Nick's role in the series. One should
NOT feel more sympathy for the villain than the hero. By all means, let FK
live forever, but give Uncle his OWN series from which he can visit his
protoge from time to time.
Dalton S. Spence, B.Sc., P.Prog <ag775@f.......>
(a Die-Hard with Cousinly leanings.)
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 09:36:51 -0800
From: Abby <albrecht@s.......>
Subject: Schanke!
ykybwtmfk
when you see John Kapelos on Entertainment Tonight's coverage of "Late
Shift" and the first thing you say is "Schanke!"
abby -- Mercenary of the Knight
albrecht@c....... Down the hall lThe first Merc Knightie
eponymous2@a....... Turn right! lDDEB3, Duchovniks, NLEB, and more
http://www-scf.usc.edu/~albrecht
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 11:38:55 EST
From: MS LYNNE R ACKERMAN <GNBV32C@p.......>
Subject: Ger's play
Can everyone on the list please hold off on the planning/questions for
Ger's play until after this weekend? Preferably until the middle of
next? All of us here in Toronto will be happy to help out in any way
we can with the planning, but right now we're in the middle of all the
celebrations for Deb's play, and just don't have the time or energy to
think about Ger's. We >will< be glad to plan/answer any questions,
whatever, after we've recovered from this weekend <g>. A lot of
planning and work has gone into this, and we've been too busy, for the
past few weeks, to think about anything else. But we do want to help
our fellow listmembers as much as we can with Ger's.
Thanks for your patience. We'll "resurface" soon <g>!
A message from Lynne Ackerman in Toronto (or, as we like to call it,
"Hollywood North"!) Via Internet: gnbv32c@p....... (preferred
address) or be028@t.......
*** Help save Forever Knight! Ask me how. ***
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 13:03:57 -0500
From: Nichole Gantshar <lmgst20+@p.......>
Subject: What is going on!
OK all the folks on the spoilers list are talking about these new
episodes... by my count I've missed two of them Games Vampires Play? and
one other. When and where are these episodes showing? When I tape USA
(Thursdays at 1:00 am) it is always a repeat.
I live in Pittsburgh. Email me off list if I am the 100th person to ask
this.
Nichole
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 14:22:35 -0500
From: Stephanie Babbitt <stephanie.babbitt@g.......>
Subject: Psychic messages in blood?
Here I am again, trying to make sure the fanfic I'm writing stays
reasonably true. Here's what I want to know.
It seems that in the FK universe, a vampire can learn a lot about a
mortal's thoughts, feelings, etc. by drinking his/her blood. Likewise,
sharing blood seems to give vampires new insights into one another's lives
and personalities.
So here's my question. Is this true of the bottled blood that "modern"
vampires drink? Do they get any psychic message from blood that's cold and
stored, or does the blood have to be fresh and warm to carry messages? What
if a bottle's contents is a mix of several people's blood?
And, for that matter, *where* does all that bottled blood come from,
anyway? I'm picturing a really perverse winery somewhere in California
where the owners convince the locals that it's a health thing to drain a
pint or two into a bottle once a week.
Comments? Suggestions? Thanks for input.
Stephanie Babbitt
Whose first fiction piece is turning into a book...
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 14:33:09 -0400
From: Stapleton <d7ux@u.......>
Subject: Re: VD in Toronto
Michelle wrote:
> or.."What our Favorite Vamps are Doing for Valentine's Day":
> Nat-She's had it!!! Its now or never. Cleverly disguised, she leaves the
> sex shop, with handcuffs and chocolate body paint clutched tightly under her
> arm. No silver pill box *this* year!
ROTFLSH....
Well I would have been had I not been in the computer lab at the
university - while it was over half-full of students. As it was, people
were giving me funny looks (I had read some other quite funny things that
had me laughing earlier).
FANFIC MATERIAL! A Challenge. I am going to write something to this
effect over the weekend. I promise. Elizabeth is going to hold me to this.
Lynn Stapleton
NatPacker
d7ux@u.......
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 10:27:00 PT
From: Tami Lafrank <tamilyn.lafrank@a.......>
Subject: Psychic messages in blood?
Stephanie Babbit wrote:
And, for that matter, *where* does all that bottled blood come from,
anyway? I'm picturing a really perverse winery somewhere in California
where the owners convince the locals that it's a health thing to drain a
pint or two into a bottle once a week.
=======================================================================
LOL!
That's why it's mixed with wine my dear. We bring all the unsuspecting
tourists on wine tasting tours, get them drunk, and take a pint. :-)
We locals know better.
Tami LaFrank : TCL58@a....... or TCL20@a.......
Forever Faithful Ravenette :
The Raven Health Spa : Eat a live frog first thing in the morning
"Dying to prolong your life" : and nothing worse will happen to you all day.
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 12:14:35 EST
From: MARG YAMANAKA <ZEZQ01A@p.......>
Subject: Deb Duchene - Toronto Star Article
In the Friday 16th column "Star Gazing" in the Toronto Star:
Photograph: Deborah Duchene: Former Forever Knight vampire and cult
fave is playing Shakespeare.
FOREVER THEIR GIRL: Deborah Duchene did such a good job playing vampire
Jeanette (sic) on Forever Knight for two years, she's been nominated
for a Best Supporting Actress Gemini.
What makes it more remarkable is that she's been off the series
for a year but she's forever in the hearts of diehard Jeanette fans.
There's even a Save Jeanette Fan Club based in San Jose, Calif., and 48
of those fan club members were due here Wednesday to catch the opening
night of _The Winter's Tale_, at St Stephen-in-the-Fields Anglican
Church, 365 College Street.
"I feel so weird about the fan club," Duchene said, "it's
overwhelming." They have a fanzine: "So What's Deb Doing?" They get on
the Internet and they're all over the United States and in Australia.
I'm glad they're coming to the performance but I impressed on them that
I'm not doing Jeanette, that it's low key. The word 'fringe' (theatre)
doesn't mean much to them."
Duchene returned to the series for an episode to be telecast
tomorrow at 12:05 A.M. on Channel 7 [actually it was on last weekend]
As much as she loved the cast and crew, she says she left the
show partly on her own volition, partly not.
"USA network bought the show and they had a different mandate.
They wanted to appeal to the _Baywatch_ crowd. They wanted younger bods
to appeal to guys 18-24. Three of us were not quite hip enough. They
said they were not going to be using me that much. They said, "Could we
redo your contract?" That was insulting and I was not able to do other
characters."
Yet they wrote her back in for a return episode.
"Jeanette was away because Nick (Geraint Wyn Davies) had made her
doubt her vampireness. She was rescued by a firefighter and fell in
love with him - a scenario that was written for me because I go out
with a firefighter. Jeanette is shaken so badly she becomes a human
being. It was fun to play Jeanette as a mortal, to experience how
bewildering it must be after 800 years as a vampire."
Her exit from the series allowed her to return to her roots in
theatre.
"I felt so revived," she enthused, "I was ready to quit acting.
There was a lot about TV acting I wasn't crazy about. I went to an
amazing workshop in Lennox, Massachusetts for a month where Keanu
Reeves, R.H. Thomson, Jane Siberry studied, and I immersed myself in
Shakespearean text. I met Moira Wylie there, who is directing _The
Winter's Tale_. She is Doug Campbell's wife and had gone back to school
in her 50's. She inspired me. We decided to do something together.
They decided to do _Winter's Tale_ precisely because it wasn't
one of Shakespeare's better-known plays.
"It's an obscure one, one of his last four plays. It's neither a
tragedy nor a comedy. We call it a romance. It was an idiosyncratic
wish of mine to do this play. It's magical, we don't have Stratford's
budget, so it was better to stay away from _Macbeth_. And it's good in
February to talk about the change in seasons."
She plays Hermione, one of the leads.
"I'm not the star, it's a lovely role. I'm tended to be
considered too quirky, I love playing warm and good and resolute but
not perfect. It's not the usual vampish roles I get. And we didn't even
have to reverse the roles for women."
==========
There's also a less than complimentary review of _The Winter's Tale_ .
If anyone wants it, I'll post it later.
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 14:39:21 EST
From: Dotti Rhodes <104024.3407@c.......>
Subject: Schanke!!
Abby mentioned that she saw John on Entertainment Tonight and immediately
thought Schanke. Me too. As a matter of fact, I've been watching some old
episodes, like "Amateur Night" - which is an excellent Schanke episode - also
"Stranger than Fiction". They made me realize how much I really miss him and how
much is missing from the show without him. Am I the only one who got the idea
from Ger's chat on AOL that leaving was not exactly John's idea as we were led
to believe earlier? I had heard that John had wanted to seek out other work -
but maybe his decision was helped along the way?
DottiR
Knightie -4Ever
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 09:08:43 CST
From: Don Durham <don.durham@d.......>
Subject: Re: LaCroix = Population Control
In: "Re: LaCroix = Population Control", mailed on Thu, 15 Feb 96 23:20:26 CST
, Kayla Clark wrote:
>
> Wicked Cousin Tippi suggested a superb monologue topic for LaCroix:
>
> >I think it's quite conceivable that vampires might look at
%<%<%<%<%<
> the world from being overpopulated. ;-)=
>
> Cousin Kayla
>
Don Durham replied:
Suppose he is going even farther than that. He is selectively evolving
humanity for it's own good <VBEG>.
I also can hear the monologue, "The topic for tonight is improving mankind
for it's own good..." This is great. On a more realitic note, what farmer
does not work to improve his herd? I mean, if humans were to die out, so
would he.
Don Durham
x392
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 12:21:00 -0800
From: Dianne Therese DeSha <desha@b.......>
Subject: *BEFORE* you read the Deb Article...!
Just a warning to all (if you see this first)--
it has *major* Human Factor spoilers in it!
(I know some people are still dodging those! :-)
Dianne
The Once-Again-Mad Digester <g> -*- NATPE Strikeforce Survivor
***"We ARE War 6!" -- The Magnificent Seven :-)***
Dianne la Mercenaire... -*- <moonlight@c.......> -*- FoFoD
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 16:08:01 -0500
From: vicki jean merriman <vmerrima@i.......>
Subject: Buyout
I've had to delete mega messages, but need to know...
Do we have any verification of the facts. Did Tristar, indeed, name and
mention three different prices for FK and then up the ante each time the
figure was met????
I really need to know if there is truth to that. If so, then I care less
about the fact that they cancelled FK (I care and am unhappy about that)
but the key is the fact they they lied and are deliberately damaging the
show. Why would they?
Before I go off half-cocked, I really need to know if there is any
possible financial and professional business reason behind behavior of
this sort. If not, then, as a previous poster said, it is less about FK
and JP and more about being treated as less than dirt.
|----
Vicki Merriman - vmerrima@i.......
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 16:13:20 -0500
From: vicki jean merriman <vmerrima@i.......>
Subject: Re: I'm mad as h***, but I'm gonna take it a bit longer
On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, Lynn McAlpine wrote:
> People, people. This is a business to TriStar. Not a personal vendetta. We've
> got to convince them or their owners that continuing/selling FK is a *sound
> financial move*. And we can only do that thru continued attention to
OK, I want to be rational about this, and have up until now. What is the
"sound business" and not "personal vendetta" reason for making three
offers and then refusing to sell when those terms were met? What is it?
Is that story pure garbage? It is possible that it never happened. BUT,
if it did happen, then what possible "sound business reason" could
Tristar have for refusing to sell.
It sure as hell sounds as though Tristar got into a personal vendetta to me.
|----
Vicki Merriman - vmerrima@i.......
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 13:16:36 -0800
From: Amy R. <r.......@w.......>
Subject: Re: SOS Commercial
Alora's right -- about Laurie's fund, and fair distribution, and, for
that matter, about not bothering her if you don't believe she's telling
the truth. (Sheesh, if you're not willing to "be taken" for one dollar
on behalf of FK...)
I, however, only subscribed here a very little bit ago, and don't know
how to make a retroactive contribution to Laurie. If I need to know,
maybe others need to know as well -- soooooo..... anyone want to post an
address? And maybe a little history?
Thanks awfully.
*************** Amy R.
r.......@w.......
*************** Quote dedicated to "The Human Factor:"
"Now it seems to me that if in fact the two interpretations were equally
coherent with the text, we would simply have to say that the [episode] is
radically ambiguous."
-- M. C. Beardsley, "Textual Meaning and Authorial Meaning,"
*Genre* 1 (1968): 169-81.
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 15:17:57 -0600
From: Shadow <teresak@i.......>
Subject: All these non-stories on FKFIC...
Hi gang-
****Stepping up on a soapbox...***
Don't want to be such a *%$^@, but I just got yet another...
"I know this doesn't belong on this list but..."
on FKFIC-L .
People people people people people and others...
STORY's and only STORY's are to be put on FKFIC-L.
If it is that important that it needs to be posted to anything
other than FORKNI-L or FKSPOILR please check with the listowner
(Jaye) or the assistant listowner, (Jamie M.R.). They are the
ones and only ones who can superscede the rules that are in
place, and give the ok to post to a list which has specific rules
applied to it.
****Stepping down from the soapbox...***
- Teresa K.
NatPack, Nebraska Chapter
teresak@i.......
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 22:42:32 +0100
From: Daniela Kappes und Thomas Wibbeling <daniela.kappes@b.......>
Subject: German Webpage Update
Hi!
I have finally managed to get my picture archive online - only three
episodes so far but I'll try to add more screen shots later.
At the moment you can find lots of nice pics from *Can't Run, Can't Hide* -
most of them feature that cute Asian vampire, hey, who needs *Vachon* anyway:-)
Even more shots of Nick in *Queen of Harps* - I'd recommand these for
Knighties in particular!
And last but not least scenes from *A More Permanent Hell* - something for
everyone: Nat, Janette, Sparky and <drum roll> Uncle in a Toga...
Now it's out in the open...I hereby declare myself a Cousin!!! Or more
precisely The Distant German Cousin:-)
All Uncle needs to do is say one line and find myself liking even the most
boring episodes - that should be reason enough for becoming a Cousin!
Enjoy the pics,
Dana
<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>
-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>
Daniela Kappes E-mail: daniela.kappes@b.......
[Address removed]
NICK KNIGHT HOMEPAGE:
www.dortmund.netsurf.de/~lkoch/thomas.html
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