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Digest - 7 Feb 1996 to 8 Feb 1996 - Special issue
Thu, 8 Feb 1996
There are 43 messages totalling 1012 lines in this issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. Bloody tears?
2. Vampires: Predators or Monsters? (3)
3. Humans yummy! (6)
4. Nick as a mortal: Minority view
5. some words of wisdom
6. TV Guide/Save Our Show
7. 'Shiv'-er, me timbers (3)
8. <No subject given>
9. NATPE bag Fund & EM Ad Contributions : Scams
10. One more spine-tingling topic (2)
11. No Life?
12. Vampires & Toronto (2)
13. Nat Has A Great Life!! (2)
14. All Vamps lead to Toronto (2)
15. (GVP SPOILER)Defending Tracy
16. FK vanity plates
17. re-airing of GVP, no spoiler.
18. JAMIE'S FLY LIVES ON & ON
19. Scam
20. Another USA MO; Fanfic Challenge (2)
21. mortal sex (2)
22. New Comerical?/EM Artc/SQ Con report
23. honor (2)
24. NB on Friday the 13th
25. Season Two request
26. discussing fanfic
27. Attention CTV viewers / Titanic
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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 01:12:08 GMT
From: Kyle Watkins <spyder_x@u.......>
Subject: Re: Bloody tears?
>our bodies are made up of something like 90 some-odd percent of
>water, because we need water to survive, therefor vampires who
>need blood should or could be about the same percent of blood as
>we are to water.
Umm, yes...But Blood is 90% water...
- kyle
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 17:24:47 -0800
From: Eliot <ejdjd@i.......>
Subject: Re: Vampires: Predators or Monsters?
>In a message dated 96-02-06 22:24:11 EST, Jamie writes:
>>Which is why we really do try to avoid these religion-based arguments,
even though the discussion of vampirism virtually begs such debates...
Then Leah responded:
>Furthermore, I've never seen any previous cautions put against the mention
or discussion of religion as it relates to vampires on this list.
Thank heavens (wait, am I allowed to say that now?) a Voice of
Reason. Since when has this list become so PC (Politically Correct for the
uninitiated)? In the last two to three days, it has distinctly lost its
camaraderie and compassion; it has gained a scholarly bent wherein everyone
seems to be trying to impress others with just how erudite and wordy they
can be!
I do remember a very long thread wherein the physical impact and
revulsion felt by vampires for crosses, menorahs (Jewish "candelabras" again
for the unfamiliar), indian holy relics, etc, dominated the list for a week!
A distinctly religious based argument.
Can I have the "old" list back (very plaintive whimper)...I want my
old list back (sob, sob, sob):(
Please????
Jackie
Support your local Attorney...send your kid to Medical School.
ejdjd@i.......
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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 01:18:22 GMT
From: Kyle Watkins <spyder_x@u.......>
Subject: Re: Vampires: Predators or Monsters?
>And quite frankly, if you are
>devoutly religious in the traditional sense, this isn't exactly the
>appropriate list to be subscribed to in the first place.
LOL!!!! THAT is amusing - I must agree. My two cents:
Vampires cannot be viewed as Monsters. They drink the blood of humans to
survive. If you want monsters, look at people themselves. You have mass
murderers, cannibals, rapists, etc, etc, etc. One could argue that some
Vampires are doing mankind a servise by eliminating such elements (re
Lestat, in Anne Rice's Novels). I personally feel that the vampire is both
a predator and a savior, but never a monster. The Vampire only becomes a
monster when it kills without thought or feeling. Even LaCroix can be
shown to have some feeling, as he seeks revenge on Nick for Fleur. No,
rather the true horror lies within- In ourselves.
- Kyle
Cousin, Mercenary Hunter, semi-Nick/Natpacker (I've got thins thing for
happy endings =)
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 20:27:37 -0500
From: Chana <chana@b.......>
Subject: Re: Humans yummy!
>Why _do_ vampires drink the blood of humans? Sure, we all know
>that they taste better then cow, but it seems to be something
>more than that, i.e. the 'addiction' that Nick seems to have.
I thought it was that first kill thing Screed mentioned in
Fever. After all, Screed had a taste for rats, not
humans.
Guess its similiar to the way that some people like Pepsi (me!)
and some like Coca-Cola...
>I am not a vegetarian because I love animals;
> I am a vegetarian because I hate plants.
> --A. Whitney Brown.
Ha! I like that...
Chana
chana@b.......
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* I have been one acquainted with the [K]night *
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 18:29:28 -0700
From: Corvia Noctis <jln8817@s.......>
Subject: Re: Humans yummy!
On Wed, 7 Feb 1996, Risha wrote:
> Something that somebody put in one of their posts (one of the
> evolutionary posts) sparked a sudden thought. Why _do_ vampires drink
> the blood of humans? Sure, we all know that they taste better then cow,
Not to sound kinky or anything but I personallly think that human
blood tastes better than that of cows. And if it can be said that
vampires have _all_ of their senses hightened than taste must be hightened.
So if human blood tastes better thatn cow blood, why the heck _not_ drink
human blood? I can't have animal protein very often becuase it makes me
physically ill. But I cna understand the craving for meat. Though my SO
really hates it when I draw it. HEHE!!!!
Later,
Corvia
To: Jethro Tull, Ranma 1/2, Sarah McLachlan, Vamps and ALL of the
Night's creatures under the Goddess's Crescent Moon....
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 20:33:41 -0500
From: Apache <lf@c.......>
Subject: Re: Nick as a mortal: Minority view
On Wed, 7 Feb 1996, Lisa McDavid wrote:
> It looks like I'm the only one to hold this viewpoint in the present
> discussion. I do think Nick really does want to be mortal and I don't
> think he would miss his powers once he'd made the trade.
I agree with Lisa. When he tries to live "like" a mortal for
Natalie's sake, he is denying himself the vampire qualities without
getting the human qualities, so of course he's miserable and backslides.
But if he could actually make the trade, I think he would. He
believes his soul can be saved: he's still a child of the 13th century
Catholic Church, after all these years, and just this past year, he
believes he conversed with an angel who told him he cannot be redeemed if
he dies as he is now. Plus, there are pleasures he remembers and can't
have, like sunlight, food, mortal sex, a mortal family. As for the
vampire life: after 800 years, he believes he's hit its limits (granted,
LaCroix thinks Nick's wrong about this, and there's an argument that LC is
right). He doesn't want its benefits anymore and he thinks its downsides
are so evil that it's worth anything to get out of it.
L.
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 20:40:48 -0500
From: A McLaughlin <Iremi@a.......>
Subject: some words of wisdom
For whose attempting to write some fanfiction remember:
"Writing is easy. All you do is stare at a blank sheet of paper until drops
of blood form on your forehead. " -Gene Fowler
Ha! and people think this is easy. Ha!
A Mc
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 20:34:01 -0500
From: "Sharon A. Himmanen" <romana@p.......>
Subject: TV Guide/Save Our Show
Here's an address I got off the American Gothic digest (they're in almost
as much trouble as we are--CBS is pre-empting AG *all* during sweeps).
The address is apparently for the TV Guide's Save Our Shows section or
department or whatever. I don't recall ever seeing it posted here, but
apologies if it has already and I missed it.
saveourshows@d.......
Sharon
--
Sharon A. Himmanen * NatPacker * romana@p....... ***Game of gopher,
anyone? ***
Forever Knight has been *cancelled*! For more info on how to save it,
check out http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 20:05:09 -0500
From: Apache <lf@c.......>
Subject: Re: 'Shiv'-er, me timbers
On Wed, 7 Feb 1996, Celeste Hotaling-Lyons wrote:
>
> >I see your shiv and raise you a cuchillo.
> Hmm... was not aware you thought this was an auction!--that explains much.
> But, no-thank-yew-kindly, to the cuchillo--I don't eat gassy Mexican foods.
Hmmmm.... the Chiricahua relocated to northern Mexico, wherein
were born... my grandmother, amongst others.... you insulting my
grandmother there, Cuz?
shhhlllllliiiii....shhhhlllliiiiii
this is the sound of my greatgrandfather's sword being pensively waved
through the air.....
A.
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 20:58:33 -0500
From: Loose Cannon <LoosCanN@a.......>
Subject: <No subject given>
e writes (and I love her tagline, BTW, suffering from a severe case of
bloody forehead, myself.)
>But why does Nick have to be mortal to redeem his soul? I don't believe
>that there is anything innately evil about simply being a vampire.
We may not think so, but I bet deep (or maybe not so deep) in Nick's medieval
psyche he believes there is. The old vampire folk tales hold vampires to be
damned. Some even held that they were vampires because they were damned, not
the other way around. And he has 800 years of personal experince to back it
up. It's kind of hard to convince yourself you are not innately evil, when
your very nature drives you to murder over and over again. No, vampires
don't seem to be killing as much as they did back in the good old days. But
that's because it has become too dangerous for them to do so, not because
they decided it "just wasn't right".
Darkest blessings,
Leslie GrantSmith
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 21:22:58 -0500
From: Donna <hozdmb@r.......>
Subject: Re: NATPE bag Fund & EM Ad Contributions : Scams
At 12:00 AM 2/7/96 -0800, you wrote:
>Lana wrote:
>>I've been receiving notes and email from people saying basically,
>>"I've sent money in but I hope you're not scamming me."
I live in Md. and personally know one of the seven that went to Los Vegas.
Also, I sent off my SASE and today received my own personal bag and flyer.
It would very difficult to scam the checks made out to Pediatric Aids. In
other words, these are just fans who have put their money where their mouth
is and have, in a lot of cases, worked their seats off.
I just want to say thanks to everyone for each thing they have done in this
effort and for the team spirt we have all shown and, I hope, continue to show.
Off my soap box,
Donna Burns hozdmb@r.......
Diehard, FK, Highlander, ST, B5, X-Files, L&C, Sime/Gen, Pros, DS
Save FOREVER KNIGHT!!Check out:
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 19:47:48 -0800
From: Bonnie Pardoe <bonnie@o.......>
Subject: Re: 'Shiv'-er, me timbers
Celeste wrote:
>You know--in the alley, in the dark, in the ribs?
That's pretty cowardly of you, imho. But what makes you think you'd ever
get that close?
>Thanks to all Merc offers of assistance in this matter--but it just isn't
>worth spending the virtual chocolate to `get' this little one. She amuses me
>greatly.
Do I now? With just a small taunt and a wee bit of verbal sparing, you are
"greatly" amused? Doesn't take much with you Cousins, does it? And as far
as "getting this little one," don't waste your chocolate; I'm not to be
gotten. Especially not by the likes of you.
Sincerest hugs and warm fuzzies,
Bonnela (bonnie@o.......)
"Stray not from the paths of Evil" -- The Night Jackal
Forever Knight FOREVER!
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 18:36:46 -0800
From: Preta <preta@e.......>
Subject: Re: One more spine-tingling topic
>I have a definition; just need a faction to go with it... suggestions?
>
>"The beast within is warm and fuzzy!"
Does Perry have a faction?
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 20:09:13 -0700
From: Raissa Devereux <1595@e.......>
Subject: Re: No Life?
Hi Don,
In Faithful Followers, we see Nat talking to Janette. Nat interrupts
Janette when she's getting a tattoo. The vamp tattoo artist coments that
if he does not finish it right away. It will fade (temporary injury to body)
and he will have to start again later. Janette replies that that's half
the fun.
Until next time,
Raissa Devereux
raissa@i.......
I've got places to go, people to dissect. - Natalie Lambert
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 21:52:52 -0500
From: Susan Bennett <cd397@f.......>
Subject: Vampires & Toronto
on Feb. 6 Cathy wrote:
>By the way, has anyone else noticed that the majority of vampire stuff
is set in Toronto?
That could be because we do have a small "vampire" cult here (even before
FK) - they don't kill anyone (to my knowledge). In fact the "Raven"
(original) version was modelled after a nightclub here called "Sanctuary"
where (people who think they're) "vampires" hang-out. I thought I'd
mention this because an FK fan said he didn't think it was common
knowledge in FK fandom. If you plan to visit - don't forget the neck
brace - they advertise themselves as "Sanctuary - The Vampire Sex Bar".
Susan
Nick&Natpacker
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 21:54:48 -0500
From: Susan Bennett <cd397@f.......>
Subject: Nat Has A Great Life!!
This is the 90's - women don't need a husband and kids to have a "life"
anymore.
I wish my life was as great as Nat's - she gets to work at a job she
actually likes, and she can watch Nick's big-screen TV whenever she wants
to - what else is there??
Susan
Nick&Natpacker
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 19:03:35 -0800
From: Priscilla Berry-Shaw <pbs@b.......>
Subject: All Vamps lead to Toronto
Cathy said:
>Does anyone know where those "Anita something: Vampire Hunter"
>books are set?
The Anita Blake books are set in St. Louis. By the way, her head
vampire is name Jean Pierre - now we know where Rick Springfield's Nick
went to.
Cousin Priscilla
PBS@b.......
It takes all the running you can do to stay in the same place,
If you want to get anywhere, then you must run at least twice as fast as that.
- The Red Queen
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 20:37:13 -0800
From: Bonnie Pardoe <bonnie@o.......>
Subject: (GVP SPOILER)Defending Tracy
I can't say that I am a Tracy fanatic, either, but I am trying to give her a
break. I was actually rooting for her to be the one to solve the anagram.
Perhaps if the writers LET her solve one of the crimes, it might give her
some credibility. As far as her being young, naive, and perky, well, she
is. She's 25, new to the Homicide Department, and the commissioner's
daughter (at least she's not dressing up in purple spandex and driving
around the city on her Batcycle - yikes, now there's a pretty picture for you).
It wouldn't hurt Nick to help her out a bit, take her under his wing and
show her the ropes, gee, and maybe even pay attention to her once in awhile
(she was on the mark in Blackwing and everyone just blew her off). Even
Schanke was a greenhorn at one point in his career (and he probably didn't
have his father calling him every five minutes trying to run his life). I
definately think Tracy has potential, there is room for her character to
grow, she just needs more time... if only we get a Fourth Season to prove me
right.
Bonnela de las Vaqueras (bonnie@o.......)
"Why do you do that?" "Cause I can."
-- Forever Knight FOREVER!
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 20:19:20 -0700
From: Alm <ulrike@h.......>
Subject: Re: All Vamps lead to Toronto
On Wed, 7 Feb 1996, Priscilla Berry-Shaw wrote:
> The Anita Blake books are set in St. Louis. By the way, her head
> vampire is name Jean Pierre
> ^^^^^^
Actually, it's Jean _Claude_, and, on the subject, I may as well
recommend the books (author, Laurell K. Hamilton).
Cousin Alm }} "I'm like a bad penny; I always turn up."
--ulrike@h.......
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 22:16:49 -0400
From: Siobhan <HYPATIA@d.......>
Subject: Re: FK vanity plates
Until I moved and re-registered my car, my plates read:
4EVR KT
You might want to check with your state DMV and see if that combination is
available for use ...
Siobhan
hypatia@d.......
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 22:38:38 EST
From: Malya Rabi <malyar@t.......>
Subject: Re: Humans yummy!
I gave diskettes to the Visual Basic class, but not the Concepts class.
I also handed out the internet Id sheet. I didn't get the syllabus for either
class.
You want a copy of the form the Registrar gives out, what form is that, are you
talking about the class roster?
See ya!
Malya
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 20:44:08 -0700
From: Alm <ulrike@h.......>
Subject: Re: One more spine-tingling topic
Why are we attracted to so-called antiheroes? Perhaps because they
express a side of our nature that we either cannot or will not, yet wish
we could. After all, what is an ordinary hero except for someone who
"does what must be done"? (I don't know who first said that). But
someone on the dark side... Also, imho, the characters with whom we most
strongly identify reveal a lot about ourselves. Knight tries to supress
his darker nature (with limited success), LaCroix accepts who and what he
is, Nat tries to understand the darkness (in hopes of a cure)... You
get the general idea. But it's the interaction with darkness that gives
us (or me at least) such a thrill, the idea of being free to express our
darker selves. Well, that's my take. Others?
Cousin Alm }} "I'm like a bad penny; I always turn up."
--ulrike@h.......
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 21:13:40 -0800
From: Bonnie Pardoe <bonnie@o.......>
Subject: Re: re-airing of GVP, no spoiler.
>neglected to turn the timer on... my question is.....Is USA planing on
showing it?
The latest I've heard from them is no. They are showing reruns now only and
I think Fever was the last new ep for them. (They told me they might know
by next week what rerun eps they will be airing in what order, so I'll keep
you posted). My syndie station told me that they have listings for new eps
through mid March, and then expect several more new eps in May. They will
be showing reruns in between. CALL your syndie station and ask them -- it's
not hard, really. You can do it. Just pick up the phone, nice and easy....
Bonnela de las Vaqueras (bonnie@o.......
Ah, USA, it's like a breath of fresh... garlic
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 23:07:09 -0500
From: Cousin Candice <winter@j.......>
Subject: Re: JAMIE'S FLY LIVES ON & ON
I just wanted to say that after spending 3 hours in the darkroom, coming
home to read this particular "Fly in the coffee" milage post was a much
needed laugh.
Thanks guys.
Yours, crazed after inhaling far too many fumes,
Candice -obsessed by memory, befriended by desire, Cousin by choice
Toreador by default
winter@j.......
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 21:53:23 -0800
From: Bonnie Pardoe <bonnie@o.......>
Subject: Re: 'Shiv'-er, me timbers
>> But, no-thank-yew-kindly, to the cuchillo--I don't eat gassy Mexican foods.
> Hmmmm.... the Chiricahua relocated to northern Mexico, wherein
>were born... my grandmother, amongst others.... you insulting my
>grandmother there, Cuz?
There, there, Apache. No need to concern yourself over this insignificant
Cousin. She poses no threat to anyone. Celeste "threatened" with a shiv,
so I countered with "cuchillo," meaning a knife. As in a butter knife... I
know that wouldn't make it a fair fight; I supposed I should have
volunteered to keep both my hands in my pockets, no then it still wouldn't
be an equal battle. Hmmm, guess I should give sweet Celeste the option of
simply admiting defeat. Celeste dear, what say you?
Bonnela de las Vaqueras (bonnie@o.......)
"Stray not from the paths of evil" -- Night Jackal-o-my heart
-- Forever Knight FOREVER!
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 20:27:18 -0800
From: DENISE UNDERWOOD <ithildin@i.......>
Subject: Re: Scam
Just in case, this is my first posting to the list so forgive me if I
mess any of this up.
It astounds me that anyone could really believe this is any sort of
scam! I had only been reading the list for about a week when I found
out about the money and time these great people had put into the SOS
effort. The thought that this might be a scam never crossed my mind as
I made out my check. Just the opposite, I found myself immensly cheered
by these great people and their efforts, it is the best in what fandom
can be. I hope one day I will be fortunate enough to meet some of you
and say "thanks" in person! But for now.. THANK YOU, from the rooftops!
Denise (still factionless, but trying to find myself.)
No Good Deed Goes Unpunished!!
ithildin@i.......
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 20:22:15 -0800
From: Dianne Therese DeSha <desha@b.......>
Subject: Re: Vampires: Predators or Monsters?
> - Kyle
>
> Cousin, Mercenary Hunter, semi-Nick/Natpacker (I've got thins thing for
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> happy endings =)
You'll not have many happy endings with a .sig like that, my dear...!
Dianne
(Hmmm... has The Guild started a hotlist for the next war yet??? :-)
The Once-Again-Mad Digester <g> -*- NATPE Strikeforce Survivor
***"We ARE War 6!" -- The Magnificent Seven :-)***
Dianne la Mercenaire... -*- <moonlight@c.......> -*- FoFoD
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 23:16:11 -0500
From: Leah Rosenthal <Bizarro7@a.......>
Subject: Re: Another USA MO; Fanfic Challenge
In a message dated 96-02-07 18:20:19 EST, Cousin Kayla speculates in re FK/AG
crossover:
>In fact, I have a fanfic challenge. What would the meeting of LaCroix and
>Buck be like?
Something like "Memnoch the Devil", I imagine.....or would that be more NICK
meets Buck? Seriously, 'Beelzebubba', as we affectionately call him on the
AG list, would be a perfect foil for an encounter with LaCroix. LaCroix is a
being who proports to not believe in the existence of either God or the
Devil, and he was openly skeptical when Nick was apparently possessed by an
evil demon. Sheriff Lucas Buck IS a mortal possessed by an evil demon, and
happily carries out his work in devious and delightful ways. I'd love to
read a FK/AG crossover...it would be a natural, for many reasons.
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 21:36:12 -0800
From: Bonnie Pardoe <bonnie@o.......>
Subject: Re: mortal sex
I have seen it posted here that in FK the vampires drink their partners
blood during the deed and so they would kill any mortal partner during the
act. Do they *have* to drink blood during sex (at least in the FK
universe)? Is it a basic natural instinct for them? What purpose does it
serve?
Does anyone know of other animals that "feed" during sex? I know that a
male cat bites a female cat on the neck, but just to prevent her from
running away before he's finished. The male dog's penis actually expands
sideways once inserted (think kotex) in order to maintain contact for many
minutes (might be as much as 10 or 15). And I know that the Praying Mantis
female bites the head off the male, but it's that just to keep him from
rolling over and going to sleep when he's done?
Flashback... I mean, feedback please.
Bonnela de las Vaqueras (bonnie@o.......)
"Stray not from the paths of evil" -- Night Jackal-o-my heart
-- Forever Knight FOREVER!
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 23:08:25 EST
From: Malya Rabi <malyar@t.......>
Subject: Re: Humans yummy!
Lurker mode off.
I'm sorry guys for that personal post to the list, that's what happens when your
mailbox decides it doesn't want to have 600+ messages in it.
Sorry again.
Lurker now runs off-list and hides in the corner.
Lurker mode on.
Malya
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 23:24:57 -0500
From: Cousin Candice <winter@j.......>
Subject: Re: Humans yummy!
On Wed, 7 Feb 1996, Risha wrote:
> evolutionary posts) sparked a sudden thought. Why _do_ vampires drink
> the blood of humans? Sure, we all know that they taste better then cow,
We do? Risha, I think we need to talk.....
> but it seems to be something more than that, i.e. the 'addiction' that
> Nick seems to have. It appears to be something shared by all vampires,
> so there must be a reason behind it, biologically. (It occured to me to
I agree with you. It has to be something more than an addiction.
> What would make human blood different from any other animal's? Is
> there a protein, chemical, etc., available from us that can't be obtained
> any other way? Or is there a biological component involved at all?
Well, there has been some speculation (at least on my account) about the
memory factor -that since humans have the capability to store learned
knowledge plus instinct, when the vampire takes the life (or life force,
which ever makes you happy) of a mortal, they can get a glimpse of the
mortal's mind. Everything they ever felt, were moved by, the experience
of life, of actually LIVING.
I mean, can you imagine existing in the dark cover of the moon for almost
a decade of centuries then feeding on a human that has seen the sun every
single day of their life? It has to be some kind of exhilerating rush
that only a human being can pass on to a Vampire.
Oh, and Risha? You really need to get out of the Science Center more
often, I think it's doing strange things to your brain....
Yours,
Candice -obsessed by memory, befriended by desire, Cousin by choice
Toreador by default
winter@j.......
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 22:49:08 EST
From: CINDY L BREWER <DHRC98C@p.......>
Subject: New Comerical?/EM Artc/SQ Con report
Hi Guys,
1) Has anyone else's local station shown a new comerical for FK? It starts
out with Ger in a dark blue or black suit with a red background.He starts
out saying something like "This is my city,the night is my beat." and ends
with,"A Forever Knight its going to be a long one."
My question is this a new comerical or did my local station just
finally decide to start using it.It does have flashes of Schanke and
Janette but it does have Tracy and Reese in it too.
2) Could some kind soul e-mail me off list about how to get a hold of a
copy of the article and ad in EM?I've looked for it in my area but haven't
seen it.
3)Anyone interested.....I just got back from the seaQuest convention in
Orlando.Did drop off a few flyers in airports and left a stack at the
convention.Did find a fan who hadn't heard anything about the status of the
show and was very interested in what we were doing.I also filled her in on
the lists so she may be popping up here soon.:-)
Cindy Brewer DHRC98C@p.......
Knightie,Nick&Natpacker,Optimist's Club
Vaquera
"You're the only supernatural friend I have."Tracy to Vachon
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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 00:17:29 -0500
From: Cyberspace Vanguard Magazine <vanguard@p.......>
Subject: Re: Humans yummy!
> Something that somebody put in one of their posts (one of the
>evolutionary posts) sparked a sudden thought. Why _do_ vampires drink
>the blood of humans? Sure, we all know that they taste better then cow,
I've been thinking along the lines of maybe human blood has some sort of
"essense" to it that animal blood doesn't have. I mean, the fanfic makes
extensive reference to being able to taste fear, etc. in the blood, but I
haven't been watching long enough to know if this is cannon or not). Maybe
it's the emotion that makes human blood different.
---- TJ
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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 00:17:09 -0500
From: Cyberspace Vanguard Magazine <vanguard@p.......>
Subject: Re: Another USA MO; Fanfic Challenge
>BTW, if you haven't checked American Gothic out yet, you're missing a great
>time. It is similar to FK in that the fight of good vs evil is prominent.
Um ... if you haven't checked out AG yet, you've missed your chance. It is
gone and will not return, even to air the episodes already in the can,
according to CBS yesterday. Sorry.
(But the thought of LaCroix and Buck ... <giggle> ... I can't wait to see
the challenge stories out of THAT one!)
---- TJ
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 21:03:17 -0700
From: Alm <ulrike@h.......>
Subject: Re: honor
To respond to Bonnela--
I fail to see the connection between sacrifices and honor ;-} In times
of warfare, the victory is all, and sacrifices may help to acquire that
victory. An interesting historical note: the crusades were begun in
part to save Byzantium from the heathen raiders, but the fourth crusade
was persuaded by Venetian merchants to _attack_ Byzantium, who was a
trading rival. I'd say that episode basically sums up the whole of
existence: self-interest is the sole motivator. Forgive a humble Cousin
her opinion O:-)
Cousin Alm }} "I'm like a bad penny; I always turn up."
--ulrike@h.......
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 23:12:32 -0500
From: Cousin Candice <winter@j.......>
Subject: Re: NB on Friday the 13th
On Wed, 7 Feb 1996, Allison Percy wrote:
> Hi all --
Hi! *Very Enthusiastic Waving of Right Hand*
> I made an extra tape of Nigel Bennett's guest appearance on "Friday the
> 13th." His episode, "Butcher," was shown yesterday on the Sci-Fi Channel.
Hey, I was watching last night too as I rearranged my furniture (the
psycho-roomie From Hell moved out *bounce* so now I have room for that
Laz E Boy I've been lookin for). Now I normally don't watch Ft13th
basically because of it's premise, but once I saw who was in the ep I
decided to give it a shot.
> He was quite scary, by the way. He had quite a few lines, and most of
> them were in German (subtitled in English, of course)! If you're one of
A *FEW* lines? Allison, were you watching the same episode I was? I
swear I was having MAJOR flash-back-age when I saw Unc --er Nigel behind
the microphone in a radio-station-booth. Can you say CERK precursors?
> Interestingly enough, his character in this episode also spends some time
> as a radio show host.
Precisely. It was a very odd episode, but I was surprised they didn't do
more coherent flashing back.
Yours,
Candice -obsessed by memory, befriended by desire, Cousin by choice
Toreador by default
winter@j.......
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 22:01:45 -0800
From: Bonnie Pardoe <bonnie@o.......>
Subject: Re: Nat Has A Great Life!!
>I wish my life was as great as Nat's - she gets to work at a job she
>actually likes, and she can watch Nick's big-screen TV whenever she wants
>to - what else is there??
Popcorn fights, Caddies with big back seats....
Oh, and YBWTMFKW: you happen to tune into "Friends" and during the opening
credits when the Rembrandts sing the lines "So no one told you life was
gonna be this way... Your love life's D.O.A." you can't help thinking about
Natalie.
Bonnela de las Vaqueras (bonnie@o.......)
"Stray not from the paths of evil" -- Night Jackal-o-my heart
-- Forever Knight FOREVER!
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 23:40:19 EST
From: Joanne Schechter <102763.1453@c.......>
Subject: Season Two request
Would somebody who has a list of Season 2 eps please email it to me privately?
I "discovered" FK early in Season 2 and want to know which ones I missed.
Thanks!
Joanne Schechter
102763,1453@c.......
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 22:14:10 -0800
From: Bonnie Pardoe <bonnie@o.......>
Subject: Re: honor
Alm wrote:
>self-interest is the sole motivator. Forgive a humble Cousin
>her opinion O:-)
Forgiven. I can not fault a cousin for her opinion, or her nature.
Bonnela de las Vaqueras (bonnie@o.......)
"Stray not from the paths of evil" -- Night Jackal-o-my heart
-- Forever Knight FOREVER!
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 22:55:20 -0600
From: Diane Echelbarger <gryphon@e.......>
Subject: Re: mortal sex
>I have seen it posted here that in FK the vampires drink their partners
>blood during the deed and so they would kill any mortal partner during the
>act. Do they *have* to drink blood during sex (at least in the FK
>universe)? Is it a basic natural instinct for them? What purpose does it
>serve?
Hello! I'm back! Here's a repost of my response to a very similar question a
short while back:
>Lisa said "--at least mortal women are liable to be bitten and killed by
>the vampire partner..." Why women? Do male vampires have less control
>over themselves?
We went around and around about this, about a year ago, so I'll try to
summarize it for you. If I get it wrong, I'm sure people will correct me.
In "Dance By The Light Of The Moon" (1st season) there is a scene that, um,
*heavily implies* that Nick & Janette were intimate before he was brought
over, without Nick realizing she was a vampire. This implies that female
vamps can perform the act without neck-biting. Especially since, in "Baby,
Baby" (2nd season), Janette specifically tells Nick that when she takes a
mortal lover, the results are usually fatal to the mortal.
On the other hand, it's pretty well established that male vamps invariably
bite their their lovers, often (if the lover is mortal) to the point of
death/conversion. I believe Mr. P. even said so, at a con or online chat or
some such, but that's second-hand info.
While many theories have been advanced (and will be again, I'm sure ;> ), my
personal one is quite simple. Men (and male vampires) have, when all is said
and done, to enjoy the experience to complete it. (That was ambiguous enough,
wasn't it? <g>) Women (and female vampires) don't. So, Janette (and female
vampires) could 'satisfy' a male mortal lover without (necessarily) slipping
over the edge into 'autonomic physical response' and, presumable, losing
control and chomping on the guy. But Nick (and LaCroix, and Javier) can't
'satisfy' a female mortal lover without going over the edge to 'reflex',
losing control, and thus chomping on her, which has the *potential* for fatal
draining.
Hmmm.... I tried to keep this PG-13. Hope I succeeded.... <g>
Diane E
Fearless Leader of the SOS-FK NATPE Strike Force, Retired
# D Echelbarger gryphon@e....... #
# WWW HomePage: http://www.execpc.com/~echelbar/ #
# "Look, I know you're a figment of my imagination, #
# but you have to stop sneaking up on me!" N. Lambert #
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 23:50:00 EST
From: Maria Montalvo <maria@m.......>
Subject: Re: discussing fanfic
I'd love to discuss fanfic here, but we have to be careful about
spoilers, etc. How about we pick something that's available at
the ftp or web site, tell everyone where it is, give them a chance
to read it, then discuss? We could do one long one, or several
short ones each week.
Maria
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 23:01:36 -0600
From: Diane Echelbarger <gryphon@e.......>
Subject: Re: Vampires & Toronto
> In fact the "Raven" (original) version was modelled after a nightclub here
>called "Sanctuary" where (people who think they're) "vampires" hang-out. I
>thought I'd mention this because an FK fan said he didn't think it was common
>knowledge in FK fandom.
Umm.. Susan... hate to rain on your parade, but the original Raven set *was* a
TO nightclub. Called Stilife, now (I'm told) defunct. I've been there, and
I'm told the crew would simply ask some of the usual customers to stick around
and play extra after closing, when they were filming. Until today, my Web
page had a picture of me hanging in Stilife's chains on it.
It now (shameless plug) has pictures of the NATPE 7 on it! :) And a photo that
looks a lot more like I do now.
Diane E
# D Echelbarger gryphon@e....... #
# WWW HomePage: http://www.execpc.com/~echelbar/ #
# "Look, I know you're a figment of my imagination, #
# but you have to stop sneaking up on me!" N. Lambert #
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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 00:22:04 -0500
From: Hugo Trepanier <pio@m.......>
Subject: Attention CTV viewers / Titanic
Hi everyone!
CTV decided to move Forever Knight back to its old monday 10pm slot. At
least, according to my TV Hebdo. I recommend that, from now on, anyone who
watches FK on this channel always checks every monday and wednesday! We
just can't be sure anymore!
A note about the discussion concerning the Titanic:
It is impossible that Nick could have stayed underwater for a long time.
Why? Because in Sons of Belial, Nick strangles a female vampire while
possessed by the "evil". She suffocates, and Nick has to let her go,
otherwise she would probably have died. But, I'm not sure he was trying to
struggle her, because the image was blurry! (This is what I get for
watching FK at my friend's house!) It was an excellent episode, in my
opinion. Just my two cents.
Bye now!
Hugo Trepanier
pio@m.......
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