FKSPOILR
Logfile LOG9605 Part 56
May 29, 1996
File: "FKSPOILR LOG9605" Part 56
TOPICS:
SPOILERS: LK, HF / Nick, Nat, 4th season (long)
virtual season (6)
Spoiler: LK
Virtual Season: resurrections, etc. (2)
ADMIN: LIST RULES and MediaWest
Virtual Season - LK SPOILERS
virtual season (small LK spoiler)
SPOILERS: LK, HF / Nick, Nat, 4th season (long)
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LK Spoiler-Humorous & short (2)
The Atlanta LK party quote list (spoilers)
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 00:33:29 -0400
From: Marcia Tucker <ScFiMarci@a.......>
Subject: SPOILERS: LK, HF / Nick, Nat, 4th season (long)
Unlurking from Digestland:
Sara Orel <FA55%nemomus@a.......> wrote:
>>Anyway, my two cents worth. I'm curious to hear if those who
suggested a virtual season are still thinking in that direction?<<
I'm thinking also that Nick *must* move on. No matter what happened to
Natalie, it's clear he's in hot water already. And I'd assume that Nick
would go with LaCroix. I'm also assuming that Nick is alive! I'm one of
those who believes that LC would NOT stake Nick fatally, if at all.
So I'm seeing two scenarios for Season 4:
1. Nick and LaCroix leave - Natalie is dead. Nick is a mess for a while,
naturally. (Time heals all?) And I'd like to see Janette connect back up
with them - either still angry with Nick (good conflict possibilities here)
or back as a love interest (which I of course would like to see).
2. Nick and LaCroix leave - Natalie is a vampire. Therefore she likely
leaves with them. Nick is resigned or even relieved. Nat's adjustment would
be good for story tension/conflicts. Even Janette's return could be
interesting for a tug of war between her and Nat over Nick. I'm NOT thinking
things will be the same, much less lovey dovey between Nat and Nick, not
considering the images she was afflicted with when he was feeding on her.
Especially at the end with the images of kissing Janette!
Vachon, Urs, and Screed, of course regenerate! ;D
Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......> wrote:
>>It's possible that he would go back to feeding on people (feeling more
damned by what happened to Nat)....If he still wanted to help people, he
might become a helpful drifter (like Caine on the original Kung Fu). Or
if he settled in one place, he could become a private investigator
(with a mortal friend who covered the day work).<<
I thought of that, too. I'd think that Nick, left with the guilt of killing
Natalie, would likely go off the deep end - especially considering how she
manipulated him (okay, he'd not innocent in this either).
It seems that the "helpful drifter" concept is pretty much where Nick already
was when he first came to Toronto. He only ended up in the morgue because he
was trying to stop a gang robbery/fight and was tossed a pipe bomb. So he
already was doing this sort of thing. And I like the private investigator
idea even better! (used this in my Black Velvet Universe stories a little).
Nick's reaction - once LC shook him out of his black funk, would be similar
to his reaction to the betrayal in "Feeding the Beast". I think LC could
very well have his son back just the way he wants him, at least for a time.
Sandra Gray also wrote:
>> Her being brought over does not, imo, guarantee that they would
be happy vampire lovers.<< (in regards to Nat as a vampire)
I'm going to have to subscribe to this, too. No matter how Nat comes across
(we know - Jack the Ripper, Alyce Hunter - that one doesn't have to receive
blood from a vampire to come across) I think it would change things between
them. Nat would change... I think that's been an underlying fear of Nick's
all along. Re Richard Lambert. Also, not much of a story to have two happy
vampire lovers. As much as I'd like to see Nick and Janette back in their
blissful love as in the 14th-15th centuries, it wouldn't work for the story.
Needs more tension.
>> One of the attractions for Nick to Nat was her mortality. He wouldn't
view her the same if she was a vampire. She would be instead a
constant reminder of his failure.<<
Bingo. Sandra, you do put things so well!
Amy R. <akr@n.......> wrote:
>>I think Nick loved Natalie, but that they would
have been better off with other people. However, I'm curious; besides
Cynthia and Jane, are there very many people who feel that there was
never any romantic love toward Nat from Nick? <<
It's called Unwellness love. I've never thought, and was further convinced
of this this past season, that Nick and Nat were very good for each other.
Romantic love? Nat, yes. Nick - no. Hormones, feelings that he wanted to
feel mortal love, mortal yearnings. Nick may have even wanted to be in love,
was certainly attracted to Nat - no, was attracted to her mortality, rather.
Nat has always been too wrapped up in Nick's leanings toward mortality, as
well as being a friend and his doctor. In fact, I think the latter seriously
interfered with their chances for a relationship, and often even their
friendship.
Nick may have also been in love with the idea of being in love - as feeling
mortal love. Certainly he loved her as a confidante and close friend, but I
can't buy this True Love stuff, re "Human Factor". That Nat was Nick's one
in a billion True Love whose love would cure him. No way. Janette, for all
their history together and obviously deep feelings, would sooner fit that
description.
Catherine A Siemann <cas47@c.......> wrote:
>>Like when Hawkeye and Hot Lips got trapped somewhere on M*A*S*H
and ended up in each other's arms. I've never seen the chemistry between
them.<< (regarding Nick and Nat again)
I'm glad I'm not the only one puzzled about the "chemistry" that people see
between Nick and Nat. We've been given canon on the show about OBVIOUS
chemistry - and I'm NOT just talking sexual - between Nick and Janette.
Nick's actions in "The Human Factor" speak pretty loud to me - as when he
says "You were wrong" to Janette about her leaving, and his voice is nearly
shaking when he says this - and of course when he brings her back across
because he can't bear to imagine a world without Janette. Even when he says
to Nat, "I can't take that kind of risk with your life" it can be construed
to mean that he doesn't think they have THAT kind of love/relationship to
make it work.
Cyberspace Vanguard Magazine <vanguard@p.......> quoted:
>If you remember in Blackwing Nick is shown rebuttoning his shirt while
>Marion lies asleep in bed. I always took this to mean that he and she had
>been "together". Since she had taken the killer out of him , he was safe to
>have sex (and why didn't he run to Nat? HUH? <<
TJ, you didn't mention who you were quoting, so sorry to whomever wrote this
- anyway, for that matter, I agree with this and while we're on the subject
why, in "The Fix" when Nick apparently was seemingly mortal, doesn't he kiss
the heck out of Nat, and WHY does he go running to Janette with his good
news? This wasn't a man in love with Natalie!
And for that matter:
"Stormsinger/J.S. Levin" <wabbit@e.......> wrote:
>>1) Nat doesn't love Nick. She is infatuated by what she thinks Nick can
become, like a woman looking at an alcoholic and seeing how nice the sober
man would be. She hates, fears and loathes Nick's "vampire side", which
after 800 years, quite frankly, is more "Nick" than the human he was for
only 35 years.<<
Another bingo! I never felt that Nat accepted Nick's vampirism, that she
only loved what he could be. Certainly she always wanted to change him. All
her nagging this season is indicative of that. Anyone in a relationship soon
learns that this tactic doesn't work - that the person has to want the change
and make it on their own. During LK I wanted to shake Nat and yell at her -
THIS IS A VAMPIRE, Natalie! I don't think she's never fully understood what
Nick was, and focused only on what she wanted to see - a man who seemed
mortal much of the time. The depth of her delusion was even revealed in her
own words: "then you're the most mortal man I've ever known".
I think Nick also kept much from Nat about his nature, and this may have been
the result. In "Francesca" when describing the blood sharing, I would have
liked him to go farther than he did and make it clear how seductive it was
and how difficult it is to stop. *He* knew. He should have made certain
things clear a long time ago, more than he did. Although who's to say that
Nat wouldn't have made the same error of judgment.
I'm talking about the Natalie we saw in "Last Knight" here, BTW. I, for one,
did not recognize that Natalie. I can't ever see her being that heedless
with her own life, even for love.
>> Trying to treat that part
of himself as a separate entity has thrown him into the same endless guilt
loop as the early monks who tried to "kill" their human desires to get
closer to God.<<
Oooh, I like this analogy! But, Storm dear, maybe we can continue THIS
discussion off list. ;D
Well, enough of this for now.
Marcia Tucker / scfimarci@a.......
Dark Knightie / Unnamed / Immortal Beloved
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 01:04:07 -0500
From: Cyberspace Vanguard Magazine <vanguard@p.......>
Subject: Re: virtual season
<Lots of stuff about drawbacks of the virtual season snipped>
>TJ? Wanna jump in here?
Sure.
Firstly, it is precisely to avoid the "which faction wins" situation that
I have thrown this out for discussion. The idea is to get a good feeling
for how we ALL in general would like to see it turn out, BUT ...
... what will ultimately happen is what presents the best story possibilities.
Secondly, as for continuity: I, for one, would not waste my time doing this
if continuity wasn't foremost. (Heck, in our own way, I think it's what
we do best ...<g>)
Thirdly, in regards to hurting people's feelings: We are of the opinion
that the people on these lists are capable of rational and serious
discourse without resorting to insults to the writers. Now,
certainly not everyone is going to love every story. It's not that way
with fanfic, it's not that way with the "real" thing, it won't be that way
with this. I think that everyone writing for this will know that, and
understand.
BUT... You've got to admit, we do care about this a trifle more than TPTB
did. And we're not pressured with having to film the damn thing on top of
everything. That gives us time to make sure that things are done right.
Constructive criticism is always going to be welcome -- heck, can you
imagine if TPTB had been listening to us? Season three would have been
a bit better, I think.
As for talent, we've got a heck of a lot of it here. And by happy
coincidence, some of us are professionals -- not that that's necessary
to be talented!
Let me clear a couple of things up:
1) There will not be one or two people making all the decisions, but a
representative group.
2) We will NOT be starting with an episode every week, unless we are
blessed with a preponderance of Emmy material scripts. We don't have
to save things for sweeps week. I think every 2 weeks will be more than
fine, and won't stress everyone out.
3) As for a special topic, it's not a bad idea.
4) Oh, and cannon -- nobody said we were establishing cannon. We're just
... holding TPTB's place, so to speak. Of course, it'd be nice if, when
we get new FK, it doesn't necessarily invalidate everything we do, but that's
true from a generic FKFIC standpoint too, isn't it?
I have to say, our mailbox over here has been flooded with positive
responses, and for the most part, there has been agreement on which
direction the series should take -- much more agreement than we
expected, in fact!
One last note: The LAST thing we wanted to was to get people riled up and
offended. If this bothers you, there's always the 'delete' key. We won't
be hurt. The whole idea of this is to keep FK alive.
---- TJ (and Sorcha)
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Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 21:37:56 PST
From: June Russell <Kat@g.......>
Subject: Re: virtual season
Tippi wrote:
:I also wrote that we should be true to the characters and not delve into our
:own personal fantasies of how a character *should* be. I have enough faith
:and confidence in fic writers to think that they can handle it.
One of the things I've noticed from reading this list is that people have
vastly different opinions about what is "true to the character". I've seen
people say, for example, that they think that Nat in LK is way out of
character, whereas others see this as the logical culmination of character
aspects which have been building since the beginning of the season. I think
that makes it incredibly difficult to reconcile.
Kat
Kat ( June Russell )
pacifier.com!grendal!kat kat@g.......
Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat!
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 01:29:10 +0500
From: John Folden <jtfolden@e.......>
Subject: Re: Spoiler: LK
> From: "Raissa Devereux" <raissa@i.......>
> PS I forgot to mention that Adric and all the Doctor's other dead
> companions are floating around the TARDIS.
Yeah, but did Sarah Jane Smith ever find her way home? :)
//----------------------------------------
// John T. Folden, a demented victorian
// lost in the DARK SHADOWS of an endless
// FOREVER KNIGHT...
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 02:08:37 -0400
From: Apache <lf@c.......>
Subject: Virtual Season: resurrections, etc.
I'm afraid the only way I see Cohen and Schanke being with us is
as ghosts or flashbacks, but we already know the FK universe is seething
with both of those. This also means we can have Divia and Urs, who both
seemed pretty toasted -- though if Nat had only donated Urs' body to a
medical school for anatomy class, we could have a swell subplot!
Dead vampires are not dead until they are ashes, which makes
Screed, Nick, and (yes!) Vachon available for resurrection.
And now for the really problematic corpses: Tracy and Nat. The
suggestion that Nat is like Liam is a good one, imho, since think how much
wonderful suffering Nick will be able to do over this terrible screwup.
We can only hope Alyssa comes back to haunt him some more over it!
Another possibility is the Fallen Idol one: dose her with vampire
blood. Presumably the kid in Fallen Idol was fully tanked up on his own
blood, however, which would be why he didn't become a vampire, whereas Nat
is definitely a few pints low at the end of LK.
Lots of other creative Nat-preserving solutions have been
proposed, I think; I'll toss this one onto the heap: Nat seemed suicidal
that day to me (I think she would never have consented to become a vampire
otherwise) as a result of depression over Laura Haines' suicide, so why
doesn't Lacroix slit her wrists with one of Nick's kitchen knives and fly
her to a nearby ER? If there's time for a burial, there's time for
airborne evac.
Tracy got medical care that would have everyone involved hauled up
before their various boards, and unhooking her from lifesupport in the
absence of a responsible person was just the last straw. But she did look
pretty dead to me. I think she'd have to be a vampire. She could join
Nick in yearning for mortality. But if anyone can think of a way to keep
her mortal, that would be much better -- it seemed to be the Paragon team
missed using Vachon and Tracy as an inversion of Nick and Nat: what if
Vachon and Tracy have the hots for each other and Vachon wants to lure
Tracy across? And part of her really wants to grab Vachon by the hair and
say sure; while the rest of her is saying, 'bloodsucking creature of the
night? E-yew!'
Maybe the Fallen Idol vampire blood cure could be worked on Tracy,
if not Nat, since Tracy has two injuries from bullets -- though Tracy too
is so low on blood she'd been in danger of just being brought across.
Ap.
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 03:02:46 -0400
From: Apache <lf@c.......>
Subject: Re: virtual season
> ------------------------------
some quibbles from the dark cynical side of my nature.
TJ wrote
>
>
> Firstly, it is precisely to avoid the "which faction wins" situation that
> I have thrown this out for discussion. The idea is to get a good feeling
> for how we ALL in general would like to see it turn out, BUT ...
>
> ... what will ultimately happen is what presents the best story
possibilities.
Who gets to be Mussolini?
>
> Secondly, as for continuity: I, for one, would not waste my time doing this
> if continuity wasn't foremost. (Heck, in our own way, I think it's what
> we do best ...<g>)
Um --there are about 89 continuities in fanfic, maybe more. Are
we going to reconcile them into canon?
I actually enjoy the chaos of FK being all over the place; if it
were smooth and linear on issues like Nick and Nat's and Janette's and
Lacroix's relationships, it wouldn't be nearly so much fun.
>
> Thirdly, in regards to hurting people's feelings: We are of the opinion
> that the people on these lists are capable of rational and serious
> discourse without resorting to insults to the writers.
Fair enough. But we routinely point out that FK episodes have
plot holes you could navigate a supertanker through with room left over
for the Titanic and a couple tugboats. Are we going to be nicer to the
virtual season writers?
Are we going to say, "no way on God's green earth Natalie would
*ever* say that?" Or Lacroix would never do this or that....
Not to mention will anyone be editing these things for those
little bugaboos of fanfic, spelling, syntax, grammar and misuse of
words?
Sarah raised a big point, too, which I'll reiterate from a
different slant: who will decide who's good enough to write this stuff?
I'll tell you now, I don't want to be the one telling someone
they're not qualified to write a virtual ep; that's not what I'm here for.
Fandom is for fun and pleasure; we can't hand anyone a $25,000 check
(Writers Guild minimum for any broadcast TV script you get an on-screen
writer credit for in the United States). The fact that Paragon did pay
that (or whatever Canadian minimums are) naturally entitled them to shrug,
"not good enough," or require rewrites.
>
> 1) There will not be one or two people making all the decisions, but a
> representative group.
OK, who gets to be Mussolini, Hirohito, Genghis Khan and Cortez?
Or Solon, Thomas Jefferson, Mother Teresa, Dag Hammarskjold and
Honest Abe?
>
> One last note: The LAST thing we wanted to was to get people riled up and
> offended. If this bothers you, there's always the 'delete' key. We won't
> be hurt. The whole idea of this is to keep FK alive.
Right. Now that I've indulged my cynicism, I have to say I think
this is a radical idea; I've never heard of a fandom doing anything like
this and it would be an astonishing achievement if pulled off. My
reaction is sort of from the SOS-FK perspective; I think the industry and
the relevant corporations, already amazed by the discipline and
professionalism of our efforts, particularly at NATPE, would probably be
astounded by something like this.
And like you say, if it's terrible, there's always the delete
button.
Apache
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 00:23:23 -0700
From: Wendy Marie Christensen <wendy@i.......>
Subject: Re: virtual season
> > 1) There will not be one or two people making all the decisions, but a
> > representative group.
> OK, who gets to be Mussolini, Hirohito, Genghis Khan and Cortez?
> Or Solon, Thomas Jefferson, Mother Teresa, Dag Hammarskjold and
> Honest Abe?
This is a good question...it should be repersentive of all the factions
and equaly so...made of people that can spot errors and see "good
writing" and people that will have all the time to go through all the eps
that people write.
And what happens when someone keeps trying and trying to get a ep in and
is allways shot down... how is this going to happen with out hurt
feelings? Are we suddenly going to become nice and walk on egg shells
because we know the people who wrote the eps are reading what we think
about them.
Don't get me wrong I think it is a wonderful idea I just think all
aspects should be covered so we don't have problems down the line.
-Wendy Marie- \|/ Unnamed Faction*Cousin
|o o| "We *are* each other. You will always
-------ooO~(_)~Ooo------ be mine, eternally." LC to Nick
wendy@i.......
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 06:40:09 -0500
From: TippiNB <Tippinb@i.......>
Subject: Re: Virtual Season - LK SPOILERS
Kathy wrote:
I want to point out that the bullets that
>killed Tracy went
>through Nick first , so they probably had small amouts of vampire blood on the
>leading to a miraculous recovery......
I hadn't thought of that. What a good observation! Definitely interesting
possibilities. I'd been having trouble with the new partner idea - I mean,
inventing a whole new parter is not something all of us can agree on. Male
or female, white or black, young or old, etc etc. But we already know
Tracy's "voice". So I was trying to think of a way to keep her. I had
thought that the only way would be to keep LK, but to move it a few episodes
ahead, like to the end of the *fourth* season instead of the third. The
vampire bullet thing sounds interesting though.
Wicked Cousin Tippi, dollar bill wrangler of the Thong Throng!
*Founding Member of the Unnamed Faction*Voyeur of the Menage LaCroix*
"We have a very special relationship." - LC to NK, NiQ
Wickedness Site! http://www.netcom.com/~tippinb/wicked.html
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 06:57:12 -0500
From: TippiNB <Tippinb@i.......>
Subject: Re: virtual season (small LK spoiler)
Kat wrote:
>One of the things I've noticed from reading this list is that people have
>vastly different opinions about what is "true to the character". I've seen
>people say, for example, that they think that Nat in LK is way out of
>character, whereas others see this as the logical culmination of character
I'm talking about this from a writing standpoint. When you're writing a
novel, for instance, your character doesn't start out as a saint and end up
as a devil without logical developmental steps along the way. It's
conceivable that Nat was in character in LK (altho I'm still trying to
decide that for myself). It would not be conceivable, for instance, for Nat
to tell Nick "Sayonara, baby!" and become a mountain-hiking tour guide in
the Colorado Rockies. As much as I *like* this scenario, I don't see it
happening. ;)
LC can occasionally be "nice", but if he turns up doing telethons with Jerry
Lewis, I'd be damn suspicious.
Nick can occasionally backslide, but if he turns into the male equivalent of
Elizabeth Bathory, we're *all* going to be suspicious! ;)
That's all I meant by "true to character". There are boundaries within
which we can operate and still be realistic.
Wicked Cousin Tippi, dollar bill wrangler of the Thong Throng!
*Founding Member of the Unnamed Faction*Voyeur of the Menage LaCroix*
"We have a very special relationship." - LC to NK, NiQ
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 08:53:03 -0600
From: Deb <drowland@a.......>
Subject: Re: virtual season
Just my opinions on a virtual season:
1. enormous undertaking but so is trying to save a show when TPTB have
written it off; we still tried.
2. anything that has been aired should be kept as cannon. I personally
would like to forget Outside the Lines ever wasted film that could have
been better used.
3. any vampire who was ever on the show is fair game to come back in some
form- even Divia - Francesca found a new body and she was a preschooler
compared to Divia.
4. any mortal is fair game to come back if a reasonable senario can be
established (yeah, yeah, I know, who choses reasonable?)
The point is - this list thrives on diversity - if any of us doesn't like a
piece of fiction or the way a character acted, we can ignore it or beat it
to death on the list and everyone else lets us. Sometimes we even change
each other's minds. Personally my opinion of whether Nick and Nat loved
each other depends largely on whoever posted last!
I say go for it.
Deb Knightie with strong Cousinly urges
"You can't run away forever, but there's nothing wrong with getting a good
headstart." _Rock and Roll Dreams Come Through_ by Meatloaf
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 09:41:40 -0500
From: Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject: Re: SPOILERS: LK, HF / Nick, Nat, 4th season (long)
At 12:33 AM 5/29/96 -0400, Marcia Tucker wrote:
>why, in "The Fix" when Nick apparently was seemingly mortal, doesn't he kiss
>the heck out of Nat, and WHY does he go running to Janette with his good
>news? This wasn't a man in love with Natalie!
I think they were showing us a guy afraid to make a commitment. Nat gives
him what he supposedly wants more than anything else in the world, and what
does he do? Runs off to the old girlfriend. I loved that scene, but it
sure made me mad at Nick. (Brick? Did you say brick? Are you sure that's
the word you meant?)
I also loved the scene where Nick said to Nat, "I see what you're trying
to do! You're trying to control me, just like they are!" It sounded just
like the typical male to girlfriend or wife, i.e. - "You're just like my
Mom!" Like when you ask them to pick up their socks from the floor, and
they accuse you of trying to run their life.
(Apologies to guys on the list. I know that all guys aren't like this.)
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
N&NPacker
Cousins of the Knight
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 11:13:07 EDT
From: Lisa McDavid <D020214@u.......>
I'm wondering if we want too much or too strict a control over glitches.
Oh, sure, we don't want Nick partnered with Schanke in some episodes,
and Tracy in another, but beyond that, the real show contradicted itself
all the time in the details.
Half the fun, for me, was trying to reconcile the differences.
Just as long as we don't wind up with Nick in two places at the same
time in flashbacks, I think a certain leeway is ok.
Just my 2 cents. :)
Cousin Lisa -- "That will be trouble."
Lisa McDavid
mcdavid-lisa@s.......
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 11:33:05 +0500
From: John Folden <jtfolden@e.......>
Subject: Re: LK Spoiler-Humorous & short
> From: "Leslie I.Plummer" <lplummer@i.......>
> Not really much of a spoiler... but just in case...
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> Remember, in LK, where Nick is driving from the Raven back to his
> place & he's finding the worst (yet most appropriate) stuff on the
> radio for his mood? Well, imagine, if you will, that as Nat drove
> from the morgue to Nick's, what would have been playing on HER radio.
This is a completely trivial and useless question (except maybe for a fanfic
writer one day) but have we ever actually seen what type of car Nat drives? I
think in the past we've seen Schanke's and Tracy's but I don't recall ever
seeing Nat's car.
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// John T. Folden, a demented victorian
// lost in the DARK SHADOWS of an endless
// FOREVER KNIGHT...
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 12:23:45 -0500
From: Stephanie Babbitt <stephanie.babbitt@g.......>
Subject: Re: LK Spoiler-Humorous & short
John wrote:
>have we ever actually seen what type of car Nat drives?
The one she drives in Season 3 is a dark Taurus-type car (4-door,
late-model sedan). We see it in MBiaV after the psychiatrist is murdered
(Nat & Tracy have a conversation beside it); in Fallen Idol (kid is hiding
in it as Nat gets in); in Human Factor (Nick is driving it); and in LNMTA
(Nick is in the Caddy beside it in a parking lot). Anybody with a better
eye than mine for car models care to hazard a guess as to what it is?
Stephanie B., Vaquera with an obsession for detail
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 13:47:56 -0400
From: Jill Gillham <jilkey@g.......>
Subject: Re: Virtual Season: resurrections, etc.
On Wed, 29 May 1996, Apache wrote:
> I'm afraid the only way I see Cohen and Schanke being with us is
> as ghosts or flashbacks, but we already know the FK universe is seething
> with both of those. This also means we can have Divia and Urs, who both
The only ways I've been able to think of bringing them back are one (both
of them would be stretching it) wasn't on the flight, but was instead in
the witness protection program. (Can't remember who originally came up
with that one)
Also, anyone ever seen or read Milenium? The basic premise there was time
travelers rescuing people off airplanes that would crash and replacing
them with brainless clones. The people were then stashed in the future.
Personally, I wouldn't go for that scenario, but I'm just brainstorming.
Jill Marie
jilkey@g....... jilkey@u.......
http://www.grfn.org/~jilkey/
"I don't require that my patrons be human, just that they be polite"-Mike
Callahan
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 13:54:13 -0400
From: Arletta Asbury <g4akl@e.......>
Subject: Re: virtual season
> Apache wrote:
> Not to mention will anyone be editing these things for those
>little bugaboos of fanfic, spelling, syntax, grammar and misuse of
>words?
I'm sure there are people here who can do that. I, for one, can do
it (to the point of annoyance to the writers involved).
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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 15:41:41 -0500
From: Stephanie Babbitt <stephanie.babbitt@g.......>
Subject: The Atlanta LK party quote list (spoilers)
I'm posting this quote list here because it contains some Last Knight
spoilers. Thanks again to Sarah for letting us run amok in her apartment
all night and to all those who attended for the mutual support.
****Atlanta Last Knight Party Quote List****
I went through the apartment collecting boxes of tissues, and if we
need more than eight, TPTB are toast.
Black clothes, looks lost; yep, she's probably here for the party.
Okay (brandishing large book), I have _The Taming of the Shrew_ right
here, and it doesn't say anything about a *window*.
Have you seen that commercial where they suck up a goldfish with a Dustbuster?
I always wanted a mangled pet.
Oh, no! The Cousins are in the majority!
I'm relentlessly unaffiliated. No, I'm not a DieHard--that would be an
affiliation.
I live with a eunuch.
While watching Airwolf eps:
He's just been shot and fallen off a cliff into a river,
but his hair is perfect.
They tie a torniquet around his leg, and *then* it bleeds?
Ah, the handy forked stick, exactly the right length!
Finally! The form-fitting flight suit!
(Sound of Cousins groaning when Nigel's Oatmeal Crisp ad is shown).
Yummy! Ribena!
His hair is standing straight up, just like Daddy's.
One time during my sophomore year, it wasn't tomorrow for three days.
If I could have grown a beard, I would have.
Great combination--fat free french onion dip and heavily iced
chocolate chip cookie.
He didn't disintegrate, so he's not dead.
There's two categories of guys--chicken soup, and jump.
That'd make me swear off alcohol for a year.
Okay, I admit it--my Windows exit is "Hasta la bye bye!"
Just *look* at him in that gorgeous frock coat!
Are you *sure* you're a Vaquera?
Have you ever seen a six-foot-five-inch guy giggle?
*What* is he wearing at his neck? It looks like a little sombrero.
Why do they always do that in bathtubs?
The warm water makes you bleed faster?
No, it's easier to clean up!
Yeah, Ben Bass is still in the credits! Vachon's not dead!
Dammit, we can't fast-forward through the commercials!
Where's Earl?
He's asleep behind the couch.
Nick to Tracy: "Do me a favor and finish here..."
I could have sworn that he just said, "Do me a favor and brush your
hair..."
It's going from that depressing scene to the *perky* commercial?
(re Rick Springfield) Now that's a switch--vampire to beach bum.
I will never look at a grocery scale the same way again.
He's doing that damned circling camera trick again.
LaCroix: "It warps our senses..."
It warps our camera angle!
If you're gonna die, who needs a hairdresser?
And this guy in the credits will be "Jay Leno look-alike."
I'm surprised Nick doesn't feel responsible about the rats Screed killed.
Okay, two down...
At least she didn't say, "I'm a good cop!"
Gross. Was that necessary? I don't think so.
Wait--how the *hell* did that get there? Did they dig it out of the
ashes of Pompeii?
Whoa...that's a switch!
If I ever pay $60 for a pair of sandals, I hope somebody just shoots me
in the head.
The word is "brick."
I just can't believe it took him six years to go after Natalie.
What are you typing? Quote list? Oh, God.
Sleeping Beauty is snoring behind the couch, here.
God Almighty! Every vampire keeps a stake in his apartment?
So, how did it end? The lady or the tiger?
I feel seriously tweaked.
A week earlier, I would be bawling--but now I feel like I've been hit
over the head.
Why do I see a shower scene?
Can you tell I'm a computer scientist? Everything is in terms of graphs.
Whatever happened to Alyce Hunter?
She couldn't get in the skylight, so she was still stuck up there when
the sun came up...
No, she's living on pigeons!
She married Screed!
Now that's a nightmare!
You wanna watch me throw up?
Well, it would be a fitting cap to the evening!
They finally figured out how to write Tracy, so they killed her off.
Nick is *not* a wimp.
I kind of like the vamp-cam...
Did Grace die and go to hell this season?
Do you know it's nearly 6:00?
I'm turning into a pumpkin.
My friends went out cruising tonight, and they're probably already back
home and in bed.
Holy s***, the sun's coming up!
Are you sure you don't want to crash for a few hours?
No, don't worry. It's only about an hour past my normal bedtime anyway.
***END***
Let's do it again soon!
Stephanie Babbitt, Vaquera with a Powerbook
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