FORKNI-L
FORKNI-L Digest - 16 May 2001 to 17 May 2001 (#2001-159)
Thu, 17 May 2001
There are 29 messages totalling 930 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. I should think before I post (WAS: Re: Things I don't like in a
fandom)
2. things I don't like in a fanfic (2)
3. Likes and Dislikes
4. Things I don't like in a fandom (2)
5. fanfic formatting, criticism, and a request for advice
6. Web sites going on vacation
7. On the whole fanfic thing
8. Merlin and Aristotle (4)
9. FW: Merlin and Aristotle, mea culpa
10. Fanfic Categories (was Re: Things I don't like in a fandom) (2)
11. Season 3 police station
12. The Art of Bringing Across (3)
13. Fanfic Categories (4)
14. Nat pregnant
15. need a fix
16. Screed fic (was: need a fix0
17. How many "children" does Nick have?
18. Admin: No official categories
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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 17:49:06 -0400
From: br1035@i.......
Subject: Re: I should think before I post (WAS: Re: Things I don't like in a
fandom)
Brenda wrote:
<snip>This really should have gone to Julia personally.
Blame fatigue if you wish, or just berate me any which way will make you feel
better.<snip>
I think you made some good points, though, adding on to
Julia's post. Plus, you've posted along similiar lines on
the fkfanfic discussion group. Maybe your seconds thoughts,
Brenda, are a symptom of Julia's argument that this forum
has become overly politically correct.
Thinking a bit more about problems with fanfic, I feel like we've
been discussing two different categories of likes and dislikes
in fanfiction within this thread. The original 'List of 13'
and many other subsequent opinions focused on story themes,
content, and character inclusion - more of the creative aspect.
The other fanfic problems that have been mentioned all fall within the the realm
of the technical aspects - spelling, grammar, character development, style,
tone, the amount of skill, talent and effort the author puts into getting from
point A to point B.
To me, these are different animals. I'm open to feedback in regards
to the latter, but not the former.
I've had people write me that they didn't like a particular story because it had
Schanke as Nick's partner. I've had people write me that they didn't like a
particular story because it had Tracy as Nick's partner. If you try to use this
kind of generalized feedback on the story content to determine what you write,
there's no way you can win or satisfy everyone. That's what drives my 'write
what you want' philosophy.
Now, as for technical comments, I think we should be more open about giving this
kind of feedback. Emily's post in regards to her own fanfic is a good example of
giving advice that's founded in improving writing skills. If I've gotten a fact
wrong, I want to know about it. If the story's good overall, but the
perseverence of passive voice kills the tempo, I should know about that, too. If
a scene seems out of place, or if I'm overly emphasising each plot point as it
arrives,
it could help streamline a later revision if I know about it. If run-on
sentences or my choice of language makes something hard to follow,
I'd like a klew. If a reader doesn't agree with the way I've portrayed a
character, I want to know about that as well. (*However*, if they don't give me
a specific reason *why* they think someone is out of character, show canon being
helpful, then I have absolutely nothing on which to reflect or to debate in
considering a change. (A comment like, 'I don't like stories with Natalie in it'
does absolutely no good, and I'll ignore it, because I like stories that feature
Natalie.)
Julia's right - how can people improve if they don't know there's a problem?
Constructiveness comes from the degree of detail in identifying the problem,
giving supportive evidence, and providing suggestions on alternatives.
Brenda's right, though, too. Not everyone who reads fanfic is looking for the
same content. Not everyone who writes fanfic has the same goal. Some people *do*
just want the positive feedback and boost of self-esteem. Some people are in it
just for fun and don't care one way or another. Some people take writing
seriously or to a professional level. Feedback that one of these persons may
take as constructive, another may take as silly nit-picking, and another as a
flame.
I think honest feedback will remain crippled as long as we are sensitive to how
people react to what we write, even if our intentions were helpful. I also think
that as long as writers aren't openly honest as to whether they really only want
praise and agreement, we'll keep debating whether or not to give our opinions.
Oh, and Julia, if you do your 'Wall of Shame,' would you put my
'This Perfect Carousel' up there? It's bad when your own fanfic makes you
cringe! :D
<waves>
Bonnie Rutledge.......<br1035@i.......>
Sig incommunicado
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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:58:13 -0700
From: Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: things I don't like in a fanfic
From: Nancy E. Kaminski came
> ---I also don't care for a lot of crossovers if they're really unlikely. If
> the characters don't exist in the same time <snip> ---I don't like other
> supernatural beings to horn in on my vampires. Vampires are enough,
> thengyewverymuch.-I don't like stories that revolve around a non-FK character.
Well, I know at least one person who associates the 'delete' key with my
name! ; P
S'Okay, Nancy---just send any of the above you might find during a surf to:
kyer@p.......
Where they will be given a loving home within the demented mind of:
:)=
Kyer
she who welcomes in ghosts, goblins, angels, digital monsters, mythical
creatures, and things that go 'Kaboong!' in the Knight! LOL!
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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 15:01:41 -0700
From: "K. C. Smith" <tigrlady2u@j.......>
Subject: Likes and Dislikes
I've been staying out of this discussion and, for the most part, simply
deleting all of the posts on it.
I am feeling just a bit suicidal right now, so seeing all of this
carrying on about what people like and don't like has made me a bit
angry... right now RL sucks and the discussion just seems petty to me.
I have posted a story on the NNFic, NNAdult and DarkNN lists, at the
urging of several close friends. And someone wrote me, after I'd posted
them, that she loved the story and was glad that I'd posted it, despite
the ongoing discussion. That helped cheer me up a bit.
I understand that not everybody is going to like the same things... if I
don't like a story, I simply delete it... so I don't take offense when
someone does the same thing to my stuff. I just don't like it when
someone writes me to tell me, in a rather obnoxious way, that they don't
like something I've written. Generally, if I don't like something, I
don't read it and don't comment on it. If I do like it, I heartily
praise the author for the work.
I teach my kids "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at
all." It's only fair that I live by that same philosophy.
Sorry if I'm ranting... I don't feel very coherent, so I probably don't
sound it, either.
Take care... I love ALL of you... you've gotten me through a lot of
tough times.
I'll go back to lurking now and leave you alone.
KC Smith
tigrlady2u@j.......
Nick/Natpacker with Dark Knightie tendencies.
"I've never met a chocolate I didn't like."
"Opportunity may knock only once, but temptation leans on the doorbell."
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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 15:07:44 -0700
From: Emily Hanson <emilymhanson@y.......>
Subject: Re: things I don't like in a fanfic
Digital monsters?
Has anyone done a 2001/FK Xover?
I can see it now:
Nick: Hal, open the fridge, I need my cow blood.
Hal: I don't think so, Nick.
Nick (getting slightly agitated): Hal, please open the fridge.
Hal: Sorry, Nick.
Nick (getting really upset, his eyes are turning yellow and fangs are
showing): Hal, open the fridge before I call Aristotle over here to
reprogram you!
Hal (to the tune of Daisy, daisy, I have no clue who wrote it):
Nicky, nicky, shall I open the fridge for you...
Emily
--- Kyer <kyer@p.......> wrote:
> Kyer she who welcomes in ghosts, goblins, angels, digital monsters,
> mythical creatures, and things that go 'Kaboong!' in the Knight!
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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 15:07:24 -0700
From: Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: Things I don't like in a fandom
From: Tim Phillips <
> Only the author knows why they are writing and what their
> intentions are.
Maybe we as writers should clarify our stories above the header?
"This is an AU/Supernatural fic."
"Written for the pure heck of it"
"Reese vs the Ghost of the Bottled Water Machine (Part 1 of 1 too many)
slapped out in a silly moment by: Mark Miwurds"
:)=
Kyer, kyer@p.......
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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 16:11:18 -0700
From: Klytaimnestra <lbowman@c.......>
Subject: fanfic formatting, criticism, and a request for advice
re: formatting to avoid the weird text wraps, formats, and symbols, I
cut-and-paste directly into email, but I also make sure that I'm using "text
only" rather than "HTML" formatting in MS Outlook Express before I post.
Also, if I have any doubts, I post it first to myself, to see what it looks
like, before I send it to the list.
re: criticism, I got some extremely helpful criticism on one story, which
pointed out (among other things) that the last part of the story rather
deflated the suspense of the first part. I reread the story and dang if she
wasn't right - and the worst part of it is, that last part of the story
(which has already been posted, I can't take it back now) affects where I
can go in the sequel; I now wish I hadn't added it! So a) criticism can be
helpful and b) so can beta readers, wish I'd had one!
I would like some advice. I am currently working on the sequel to the
series I've been writing. Production has slowed down a good deal now that
I'm off maternity leave and back to work. Do people prefer me to post what
I already have, and then post the rest as I write it? Or is it better to
wait until I've got the whole story & then post the lot? My preference is
to wait until I've got the whole story written, because then I can take time
revising and making sure it all fits. But would it be preferable to just
put it up as and when?
K
--
Klytaimnestra lbowman@c.......
Fanfiction at http://members.home.net/lbowman
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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 19:23:11 -0400
From: Bonnie Rutledge <br1035@i.......>
Subject: Web sites going on vacation
Well, kind of...
I've been storing many FK-related files used on my web pages on AcmeCity. Well,
AOL is taking them over, and the files stored on AcmeCity's server will be
unavailable as of Friday. Since I have dozens of things I'd rather do than
upload 500+ files somewhere else and change the web page URLs referenced in
the code, I'm going to take down the sites most greviously affected for a
couple of months until I have a chance to fix them.
I think this will only affect my fanfic page, the Die-Hard material, and
personal stuff. If I remember correctly, most of the Perkulator and NunkAnon
material won't be affected, but please pardon any broken links for the time
being.
<waves>
*****************************************************************************
Bonnie Rutledge..........<br1035@i.......>..........Single and Fabulous!
"Watch with awe and amazement as The Perky Redhead parallel parks her Buick!"
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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 16:41:16 -0700
From: StormBorn <smolly4@q.......>
Subject: On the whole fanfic thing
Brenda, I think you make some very good points in the post you meant to send
privately to Julia, so I'm glad you shared it with the list.
Sunny, don't feel bad about expressing your opinion. You didn't flame
anybody and as was pointed out (by I forget who), writers need thick skins.
IMO, they also need to evaluate the comments they receive, directly or
indirectly, and decide whether to use them or discard them.
On posting: Klytaimnestra, do whichever you're more comfortable with. The
only thing that I care about as regards posting is that I don't like to wait
more than a day or two for the next part.
Luckily, I read very fast; I scan the first part of a story post and if it's
a subject/plot/etc. that I don't care for, I don't read the rest of it.
Molly/StormBorn
Cousin, Ravenette, Dark Trinity, Seducer, Forum Fanatic, FK Pagan
Abnormally fond of dead guys
smolly4@q....... or stormborn@l.......
http://stormborn.tripod.com/
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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 17:45:31 -0700
From: Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Merlin and Aristotle
I know that Aristotle helped vampires get relocated with false historys and
that Merlin had something to do with financial stuff (Blood Money).
But can anyone give me more detailed info about what their computer
expertise is? I'm trying to decide which one would be better for Nick to
seek out for a specific problem.
Kyer, kyer@p.......
who, oddly enough, never really gave this much thought before!
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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 21:20:36 -0400
From: Mary Combs <mcombs@e.......>
Subject: Re: Merlin and Aristotle
Actually, I got the impression that they both do precisely the same thing...
only I imagine that Aristotle does it holed up in his wonderful roomful of
gear and Larry Merlin uses a cutting edge handheld while relaxing in a
congenial establishment like Janette's Raven.
Maybe Aristotle mentored Merlin?
Mary
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Forever Knight TV show [mailto:FORKNI-L@l.......]On Behalf Of
> Kyer
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 8:46 PM
> To: FORKNI-L@l.......
> Subject: Merlin and Aristotle
>
>
> I know that Aristotle helped vampires get relocated with false
> historys and
> that Merlin had something to do with financial stuff (Blood Money).
> But can anyone give me more detailed info about what their computer
> expertise is? I'm trying to decide which one would be better for Nick to
> seek out for a specific problem.
>
> Kyer, kyer@p.......
> who, oddly enough, never really gave this much thought before!
>
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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 21:27:58 -0400
From: Mary Combs <mcombs@e.......>
Subject: FW: Merlin and Aristotle, mea culpa
I wrote:
Actually, I got the impression..... <snip>
Sorry, I thought I was sending that to Kyer instead of the list.
Mary
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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 19:16:10 -0700
From: Emily Hanson <emilymhanson@y.......>
Subject: Fanfic Categories (was Re: Things I don't like in a fandom)
Categories aren't a bad idea, Kyer.
Fanfiction.net has pretty much category for every type of fanfic.
Mystery, Humor, Supernatural, Fantasy (this is within the genres
themeselves, like Forever Knight), Action, Romance...
--- Kyer <kyer@p.......> wrote:
> Maybe we as writers should clarify our stories above the header?
> "This is an AU/Supernatural fic."
> "Written for the pure heck of it"
=====
Emily Hanson
Main website - http://www.starbase-eprime.com
Web Graphics - http://www.galaxyofimages.com
ICQ# 73113057
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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 00:22:24 -0400
From: Gwenn Musicante <gwennm@h.......>
Subject: Re: Merlin and Aristotle
kyer@p....... wrote;
<I know that Aristotle helped vampires get relocated with false <historys
and that Merlin had something to do with financial stuff (Blood Money).
Actually, wasn't it Felix who gave Nick advice in "Blood Money?"
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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 01:18:16 -0400
From: "S. Babbitt" <sbabbitt@b.......>
Subject: Re: Merlin and Aristotle
Kyer wrote:
>I know that Aristotle helped vampires get relocated with false historys and
>that Merlin had something to do with financial stuff (Blood Money).
>But can anyone give me more detailed info about what their computer
>expertise is?
Aristotle (who appears in Forward Into the Past) apparently had been
working in the vampire relocation business long before the advent of
computers. His job is to find a new location/identity for the vampire who
is "moving on." It seemed to me like Aristotle has a number of these
scenarios prepared and matches a scenario with a vampire at the time a
request is made, with the urgency of the need to "move on" affecting the
flexibility of choice. Aristotle seems to have moved into the computer age
with the rest of the modern world, but I get the impression that he is more
an "average user" than a "wizard."
Larry Merlin (who appears in Hunters--the one where Schanke is the hunted
one) is your top-notch hacker. We know that he has the capability not only
to hack into Toronto's main information systems, but also to create a bogus
past for Nick, up to and including putting false birth information on the
records of the Chicago hospital where Nick was supposedly born in 1958. The
episode doesn't make it clear whether this creation of a false past is
Merlin's "job" in the vampire community, or if it's something he does on a
freelance basis. We don't even know whether Merlin is himself a vampire,
though the fact that Janette knows where to find him would suggest that he
is one. We do learn that the creation of an extensive computer "past" in
less than a week costs Nick a lot of money. Merlin probably writes really
nasty computer viruses on the side for cheap entertainment and to wreak
havoc in the mortal world. ;-)
--------------
Stephanie Babbitt (sbabbitt@b.......), Atlanta, GA
Vaquera (Because I Can), MadNatter, N&NPacker
Nobody Dies. Nobody Ever Died.
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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 03:22:11 EDT
From: Lynne Ackerman <Lynnea212@a.......>
Subject: Re: Season 3 police station
The building used for the season 2 and 3 police station was not the Hockey
Hall of Fame, it was a library out in the east end. This is for absolute
certain because I watched them film there. I was the one who "discovered"
that location, along with a whole bunch of others.
In fact, it's just a couple of blocks from Jilly's (used in (I think this is
the title) Dance By The Light of the Moon [the strip club]), plus the
building used as the loft. And not too far from "Schanke's house", the
subway station (in reality, a public swimming pool) in Black Buddha, and the
field where Schanke's plane crashed.
Someone once told Will and me that the Hockey Hall of Fame was used as the
police station, but that's totally false (as are many of the other supposed
locations that we were once given many years ago). However, the lobby of the
building it's in *was* used in Games Vampires Play, it's where the blood bag
was found. Interestingly enough, that same lobby was used in an episode of
Psi Factor that Nigel was in (when he comes up an escalator), and in the
episode of RoboCop (the TV series, not the mini-series of TV movies) that Ger
was in. He walks through that same lobby. And it was also used as one
location in the movie Dracula 2000 (another vampire connection <g>).
I've never heard that the Hockey Hall of Fame is haunted. Perhaps it is, but
it's never been mentioned in any tales of "haunted buildings" that I've ever
read about the city. But it could certainly be possible. There's not much
left of the building actually, because they tore down everything except the
outside facade when they were building the towers around it. The building
that Nick is always flying towards, the one with the big red sideways "C" on
the top, is part of the same complex. The outside of its twin tower was used
in that movie that Ger did, which I always forget the name of because it was
changed in post-production, and where Ger plays a totally despicable
character. It was where Ger was out on the window-washing platform.
Actually, that building complex has been used as a location in many, many TV
shows and movies.
The Hockey Hall of Fame was originally a very old bank building, one of the
oldest in Canada. When they wanted to build the office complex on the site,
they couldn't get rid of the building (tear it down) because it's designated
as a Heritage Building. So their solution was to just keep the facade, and
build the office complex around it! When you walk into the lobby you can see
the other side of the building right in the middle of the lobby. The blood
bag was found in front of that part of the building. The building now houses
the provincial Chamber of Commerce.
The Hockey Hall of Fame is actually in the lower level of the building.
Perhaps, at one time, it's where the vault of the bank was, but I'm not sure
about that. The only part of the Hockey Hall of Fame that's at street level
is where some of the trophies are on display, and where the exit is, which is
right at one corner of the building. This used to be the entrance to the old
bank building. But the entrance to the Hockey Hall of Fame itself is
downstairs.
The building complex is very well designed, and very beautiful, and has won
many architectural awards.
A message from Lynne Ackerman in Toronto (or, as we like to call it,
"Hollywood North"). Via e-mail: lynnea212@a....... - or - be028@t.......
** Help support Forever Knight. Ask me how. **
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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 08:41:54 -0400
From: Gwenn Musicante <gwennm@h.......>
Subject: The Art of Bringing Across
I was thinking about a line that LaCroix said to Nicholas after his failed
attempt to bring Alyssa(his wife) across. LaCroix consoled him with the
words, "After all it was your first time." Nick was around 300 years old
when he first attempted to make another of his own kind, and he failed.
This reminded me of how old Divia must have been when she brought LaCroix
across. My guess is that she was well under 10 years old in vampire years,
and I doubt that she had brought others across before her father. What
accounts for the differences in Nick and Divia's skill level, it obviously
isn't age or experience?
Gwenn Musicante
http://www.angelfire.com/pa4/GwennM
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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 06:26:09 -0700
From: "David J. Duncan" <dante0220@y.......>
Subject: Re: Fanfic Categories (was Re: Things I don't like in a fandom)
Hi Everyone:
Other fandoms (Xena for instance) has the fic
divided up this way. For instance, "Parents &
Children" is considered both general (for action
you would see on the show XWP) and uber (Xena and
Gabrielle in alternate universes and/or her
descendants--both of which fit my stories).
Perhaps, we might want to think about building
upon our already-existing subdivisions and add a
few new ones (such as the ones that Emily
suggested...and I'm adding one for subtext). Of
course, people can and should feel free to write
"across divisions" as appropriate.
Thanks
David
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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 06:49:45 -0700
From: Emily Hanson <emilymhanson@y.......>
Subject: Re: Fanfic Categories
Yes, a general category is also nice, - sometimes you write fiction
and it doesn't fit into just one category. Everyone could subscribe
to different categories like we subscribe now to Xover and Adult
topics. And, for those who like everything, perhaps a "subscribe
all" listserv command.
<g>
McLisa? Don? Comments?
Emily
--- "David J. Duncan" <dante0220@y.......> wrote:
> Perhaps, we might want to think about building upon our
already-existing subdivisions and add a few new ones (such as the
ones that Emily suggested...
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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 06:53:00 -0700
From: Emily Hanson <emilymhanson@y.......>
Subject: Re: The Art of Bringing Across
My theory (and this is just a theory) is that all vampires have
innate power to an extent, some more than others. This would explain
why some vampires, like Divia, seem to be more powerful, yet aren't
ancient or elders.
Also, it may have to do with their sire's abilities. Divia's sire
was supposedly powerful, though evil, and that is one of the reasons
she went to the dark side, so to speak.
--- Gwenn Musicante <gwennm@h.......> wrote:
> What accounts for the differences in Nick and Divia's skill level,
it obviously isn't age or experience?
=====
Emily Hanson
Main website - http://www.starbase-eprime.com
Web Graphics - http://www.galaxyofimages.com
ICQ# 73113057
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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 09:58:08 EDT
From: Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Fanfic Categories
Personally, I don't want to have to sit in front of a computer screen and worry
about what category a story fits into. If an archivist who has my permission to
put something on his or her webpage wants to categorize something, that's fine.
I don't write in categories unless it is a challenge or a story someone has
requested or inspired. I just write the stories I want to tell.
There would be so many categories, it'd boggle my mind. Would the stories just
go into one category? What if I think the story fits into more than one? Do I
have to post it with just one category? If so, someone who might enjoy won't
read it because maybe they don't think they like the stories in that category,
but might if it were posted in another.
I've tried to find stories I've allowed to be archived somewhere only to find
out they weren't archived in the category I would have chosen.
I hope that makes sense! I'm not against someone categorizing stories on their
webpage, I just don't want to be forced to have to give it a category when I
post it or send it in to be archived.
Libs
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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:05:17 EDT
From: Judith Lieberman <JudithL21@a.......>
Subject: Nat pregnant
Actually there is one called Wonderful Misshaprension where Nat does get
pregnant by someone else. Also one called Resemblence to Jenny. Guess who
the father is in that one. Actually it is a rather bittersweet tale, short
and sweet.
JudyL
Pardon the spelling and typos.
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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:20:23 -0400
From: Emma <elighton@b.......>
Subject: Re: Things I don't like in a fandom
Julia wrote:
>Why is any discussion of fanfic always, and I do mean ALWAYS,
>such a hot-button issue in the FK fandom?
>
Because authors can be a sensative bunch when it comes to our "children."
Try telling a group of parents what you don't like about kids, you'll
probably get a similar reaction. :)
Even if you aren't talking about us, it's hard to get over that
initial knee-jerk reaction where we wonder which of our stories
you're specifically refering to.
>I don't know what "constructive" criticism is. How does one tell
>an author that she can't spell, can't punctuate, and can't write an
>interesting sentence? How many "authors" are willing to hear such
Hmm...I thought your idea showed a lot of promise. However it
probably would have served your story better if you had a beta-reader
look at it first, since they're generally better at catching some of
those little errors authors tend to miss.
I don't think I would have been too offended to recieve e-mail like
that. <looks back at some of her early work> In fact, I probably
should have.
Just aim for emphasizing what *is* good about the story, and try to
point out the problems as gently as possible. (I know I could benefit
from these, too.)
>in the name of Jehosaphat is anyone going to learn to do better
>next time if there's no ... support/guidance/pressure to do so?
Practice. That's actually the only way that really does work. Support
and guidance are good, but pressure can be rather counter-productive
when it comes to fanfic. (We are writing this for fun, not money.)
You're more likly to make the writer think that it just isn't worth
the hassle, even if they are honestly looking to improve their
skills, not just recieve praise.
>perceivable quality. But our collective acquiescence to a forced
>silence that doesn't allow open discussion of individual likes,
>dislikes, and opinions about fanfic does no one any good, and is,
>in the end, a disservice to the fandom itself.
But not liking fanfic where Nat has Nick's baby, or Nick, Nat, and
Lacroix don't show up, has everything to do with content, but nothing
what-so-ever to do with quality.
Authors *really* don't like being told *what* to write. I don't care
how nicely you try to word those suggestions. (One piece of
"feedback" I recieved single-handedly convinced me never to write any
Nick/Janette stories, nor put anything about that pairing on my
website.(Which will return, eventually))
>(Get me mad enough, and I'll put up the "FK Fanfic Hall of Shame"
>page I've been muttering about ....)
While some authors are both secure and realistic enough to give you
permission to archive some of their work on such a site, you'd
probably recieve some nasty burn damage if you even ask others.
BTW, to all potential beta-readers out there: If you agree to beta a
story, DON'T just send back a note saying that the story is great. I
got that once, and it's aboslutly useless.
--
elighton@b.......
Vaquera * DPheretic * T+Vpack * FKMac-er Head mouse clicker
Survivor of Wars 9+10
"Christianity is brought to you in part by Chevrolet"-A&E
http://members.tripod.com/~lostshadows/main.html
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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:53:10 -0500
From: Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject: Re: Fanfic Categories
At 09:58 AM 5/17/01 -0400, Libratsie@a....... wrote:
>Personally, I don't want to have to sit in front of a computer screen and
>worry about what category a story fits into. ... I don't write in
>categories unless it is a challenge or a story someone has requested or
>inspired. I just write the stories I want to tell.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say, I don't think Kyer meant her
"categorization" post to be taken literally.
Bring 'em back alive!
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
Cousin of the Knight ~ N&NPacker
CotK Site -- http://lavender.fortunecity.com/evildead/879/
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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 12:58:10 EDT
From: Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Fanfic Categories
In a message dated Thu, 17 May 2001 12:53:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Margie
Hammet <treeleaf@i.......> writes:
<<I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say, I don't think Kyer meant her
"categorization" post to be taken literally.>>
Kyer take something seriously ;-)? No, I know she didnt, but I've read some of
the other posts where people seem to think it is a great idea for every story.
Like I said, I don't care if someone else puts my stories (with permission) in
categories on webpages. JADFE is that way. I just don't want to have to label
stories I post to FKFIC or anywhere else ... unless I want to do so (and
sometimes I do <g>).
Libs
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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:38:09 -0600
From: Rose Thatcher <dreamerextrodanar@h.......>
Subject: need a fix
Hey Libs, I know it's fairly unusal, but do you have a Screed Fic back there
somewhere? I have this really *weird* craving for some. Thanks!
'Rose
Rome was not built by holding committe meetings. It was done by killing all
those who opposed them.
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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 13:50:09 EDT
From: Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Screed fic (was: need a fix0
<< Hey Libs, I know it's fairly unusal, but do you have a Screed Fic back there
somewhere? I have this really *weird* craving for some.>>
Wot, me 'ave Screed fic??? Blimey!
hehehe
Seriously, I'll answer this on-list as others may be curious too. The direct
link is:
http://www.screedwashere.com/fanfic/screed.html
Be sure to scroll down as the stories ARE categorized (but I'm not the one who
did it<wRPg>). And my VERY adult Screed/Nat stories are at the bottom of the
page (I think).
If you really want a Screed or Greg Kramer fix, go to:
http://www.screedwashere.com
and look around! Be sure to sign the guest book as you never know who might be
easedropping.
--Libs
LibRatsie@a.......
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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 13:14:23 -0500
From: wirickml <n.debrabant@g.......>
Subject: How many "children" does Nick have?
Subject: Re: The Art of Bringing Across
--- Gwenn Musicante <gwennm@h.......> wrote:
What accounts for the differences in Nick and Divia's skill level,
it obviously isn't age or experience?
This has me asking a question.
Just how many "children" does Nick have?
We only saw a few examples.
Surely in 800 years he made more than we saw.
Either on purpose or by accident, he must have
made others of his kind. Successful ones too.
M.L.Wirick
NNPacker through all eternity
"I'm Hungry, I Feed"
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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:29:35 -0700
From: Lisa McDavid <cecily1349@y.......>
Subject: Admin: No official categories
Guys, I also think Kyer was joking about categories. However, as
the policy-setting listowner for Fkfic-l, this is _my_ call and
I don't believe in making things complicated.
Fkfic-l fanfic is not going to have a list of required or even
suggested categories. We don't even require the disclaimer that
a lot of people put at the beginning.
I realize that some other fandoms have a custom of categories,
lists of characters from the show, or whatever. That's fine, but
as long as we're talking about Fkfic-l, it's not going to get
that complicated.
Ok, climbing down from the throne now and admitting that I am
not Napoleon,
Lisa McDavid aka McLisa
Listowner of Forkni-l and FKfic-l
mclisa@m.......
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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 13:46:42 -0700
From: Sunny LaCountess <countessa2000@y.......>
Subject: Re: The Art of Bringing Across
This IMO is one of the biggest plot holes in the show. In 'Dead of Night'
flashback LaCroix tells Nick 'it's a subtle art after all', and lets us
believe that bringing people across needs a lot of experience and being
careful in the process. Yet earlier in the show we see (a) Alyce brought
across with no effort. (b) Jack the Ripper brought across accidentally in
'Bad Blood' (c) He (JtR) himself brings the lady cop across just by biting
her at the end of the same ep. and (this is the biggest cheese of them
all) (d) a *dog* brings his master across easily in 'Blind Fate'.
=====
Countess -- Twilight Knightie, Immortal Beloved, Dark Trinity, with UF and
Enforcement tendencies
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