FKSPOILR
Logfile LOG9605 Part 58
May 30, 1996
File: "FKSPOILR LOG9605" Part 58
TOPICS:
Spoiler: Virtual season, script format (4)
FKSPOILR Digest - 29 May 1996
Spoiler: LK - virtual season
Virtual season - misgivings (2)
SPoiler: LK and virtual season/Format?
SPOILER: AtA, LK -- Tracy (3)
virtual season/Spoilers LK
SPOILER: Last Night (reference to NiQ Nick and Nat)
BB1, Nick's diet, virtual season musings
Black Buddah (one mention of LK) (2)
SPOILERS -- FRANCESCA, LK
SPOILER: LK, HF, Re: Black Buddah
LK SPOILERS:IA Investigation
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 08:30:51 EDT
From: Lisa McDavid <D020214@u.......>
Subject: Spoiler: Virtual season, script format
For all those who haven't seen a script, this is what the format
looks like. It's a made-up example since I'm doubtful of the copyright
propriety of posting from one of the real scripts I have.
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Interior Raven. It's closing time. The dancing has stopped, but there
are still patrons at the bar. Miklos is putting away glasses. Janette
is finishing a drink at one end of the counter.
Two of the patrons (men) move away from the bar and team up, piggy-back.
They stagger over to Janette. We don't hear what they say to her because
of the music.
Janette: You and your horsey keep away from me!
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I apologize to James Thurber, whose cartoon I just adapted.
The script format is quite flexible. There can be narrative-like passages
as stage directions. Bedard and Lalonde, for example, have a habit of
commenting on what Nick is thinking. If the writer wants, say, Natalie
to give Nick that little nudge/bump that she used to do in the first
season, that can be specified. So can the character's appearance, eg.
"LaCroix's eyebrows are now so out of hand that he should try Roundup."
Ok, so I do have an ulterior motive. I don't like the idea of a virtual
season which isn't in script form, mostly because I don't see a
difference between plain fanfic and the virtual season if it isn't.
Anyone can write script format, honest! If you've ever read a play, you've
seen what a script lookd like. The only difference is stage directions
for camera angles or effects that wouldn't be in a stage play.
Cousin Lisa -- "That will be trouble."
Lisa McDavid
mcdavid-lisa@s.......
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 08:16:10 +0200
From: katrinka <STUKENDALCA@m.......>
Subject: Re: FKSPOILR Digest - 29 May 1996
i would like to participate in the virtual season, that everyone's been
talking about, who should I contact to get involved. I was no mail until
yesterday, and kind of came into the back end of this. Can someone please
help me?
If you can e-mail me off list, and tell me the details.
thanks
katrinka
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 09:22:48 -0400
From: Deborah Menikoff <menikoff@p.......>
Subject: Re: Spoiler: LK - virtual season
Well I have been watching this idea progress and I find myself coming
down on the "nay" side. Oh, I am not saying "No they shouldn't and
can't". I'm just saying it's not for me. Still <g>, while I am fully aware
that I have a delete key and the ability to use it, I thought I'd just
pop in for a minute for a comment or two.
This Virtual Season is meant to "keep FK alive" (I think was the phrase
TJ used. Does other fiction not do that?
The difference between the "Virtual Season" and other fiction would be what?
As far as I can tell, it is simply that the VS (if I may call it that) will
adhere to guidlines set down by "the continuity committee". So...it's like a
giant round robin where instead of scenes you write episodes.
Gracious, it is shaping up to be quite an undertaking. I must admire
your...as my grandfather would say...gumption.
On Thu, 30 May 1996, TippiNB wrote (in response to Ray I think):
> There are too many problems with moving FK to another city. We all can
> envision what Toronto looks like, because we've seen it in 70 episodes. How
> are we going to come to a consensus about where to put the Virtual FK?
Therein lies one of my reservations about this idea. How *are* you going
to come to a consensus? I agree with Ray that the natural progression of
the story, taking into account LK , is to go to another city. Yes, we can
all picture Toronto because we've seen it but there are several cities
(Chicago, Los Angeles, and New York come to mind off the top of my head)
featured all over TV and movies that at least the *majority* of us have
seen either in person or in other shows over an even longer period of time.
In addition, there are probably listmembers that can give you "local
color" for any other city should you need that kind of detail. I'm not
sure it would be necessary though. It wasn't in FK. The fact that it took
place in Toronto was completely incidental. (Yes, I know Baby, Baby...but
if it had been somewhere else, they would have made the myth different.)
ANyway, you get the idea :-)
Tippi continues
> I
> can't picture downtown Houston better than I can picture Toronto, and I
> *live* in Houston! ;)
It's that group of buildings to the left of the Transco Tower and past
the Galleria....
Ray writes
> > LC has made up his mind, he is leaving. As a Cousin, you should know
> >that when Uncle makes up his mind, he doesn't change it. Unless you want FK
> >without LC, everyone has to move on.
Tippi responds
>
> Yes, but we're "writers first, factioners second". This means we will have
> to bend LC to *our* will, rather than the other way around. ;)
It is not "cousinhood" to say that LC would appear to have made up his
mind. Everyone saw the trunk packed right? And setting aside LC for a
moment (I *know*, I *know* - how could I possible do such an uncousinly
thing), even if the events of LK hadn't occured, how much longer could
Nick and LC satyed in Toronto? In my opinion (the only one I am qualified
to speak about) not much longer.
> This is the way I look at it: If there were going to be a fourth and fifth
> and even sixth *real* season of FK, I truly believe it would have continued
> exactly on the same course.
<g> and I look at it completely differently. And out there on the list,
there are 1000 others who look at it 1000 other ways.
> Nick trying to become mortal, Natalie trying to
> help him, LC trying to stop him on occasion.
In other words, a wholly stagnant situation. Natalie never achieving any
sort of happiness (not the least of the reason being that she seesm to
have been waiting for Nick, who will, in this "everyone doing what they
have been" course of action, never achieve what he wants and LC not
finally giving up or getting through to Nick and finally, Nick, the ultimate
hamster on the wheel, searching, backsliding, searching, backsliding etc...
Anyway, just thought I'd get in my $1.50 (2 cents? Are you kidding. In
today's economy?)
____________ Deborah - first cousin once removed _____________
I know. You know I know. I know you know I know. We know Henry
knows and Henry knows we know it. We're a knowledgable family."
___________________ menikoff@p....... ____________________
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 06:52:24 -0700
From: LC Fenster <lucienlc@i.......>
Subject: Virtual season - misgivings
Regarding this virtual season concept: I basically agree with Sarah
Welsh. I think it's the kind of thing that sounds great in theory, but
falls apart in practice.
Reasons for my misgivings:
1. Dearth of talented writers. Assuming a *virtual season* should
have 22 episodes, do we have that many really good writers to write
them? I doubt it.
2. Lack of time. A *virtual episode* presumably must be written in
script format, and must be, at a minimum, fairly long. This requires a
LOT of work, in a very immediate time frame. How many of our talented
list writers have the time as well as the interest in doing this? Very
few, I would suspect. And how many have written in script format -- or
is that going to be dispensed with? And if these things aren't
proof-read, spell-checked, etc., they are going to be subjected to a
LOT of ridicule. I have a feeling that the threshold of listmember
acceptance of a *virtual episode* as opposed to a mere fkfic story is
going to be rather high. After all, we're comparing ourselves to
*professionals* here.
3. Plot. We being fans, and ordinarily writers of fanfic, everyone
who participates is going to want to write a *character* story. Can
you imagine if we'd had an entire season of character stories? It's
totally unrealistic. But who is going to write the plots outside of
character? Who's going to write the kind of general, "fill an hour
time slot" cop story that comprises most of an FK season? Nobody, I
suspect. Everyone involved imo is going to want to write the
*definitive* followup concerning Nick and Nat's relationship after LK;
Nick and LC's relationship after A2A and LK, etc. etc. _Everyone_ is
going to want to write episode one. Who is going to want to write
episode two? Much less episode 10 or 17, incorporating other people's
ideas/views of the character and the LK aftermath, whether one likes
them or not. Volunteers?
4. Potential for hurt feelings, resentment, list splintering is
enormous. Everyone's take on the fourth season is a little bit
different from everyone else's. Who gets to set the concepts for
fourth season - who's alive, who's dead, who's mortal, who's involved?
Who decides who gets to choose/write the *definitive this is how Nat
reacts to Nick after LK* story that everyone else in the virtual
universe must accept as *canon*? I mean, one can hardly have a story
in which Nat forgives Nick and tells him it was mostly her fault,
followed by a story in which she tells him to take a hike and leave her
alone from now on, while she goes off to find a life. One story in
which she is a vampire, another in which she's a hunter, a third in
which she's still mortal and survived somehow. Yet all these
interpretations, in the fanfic universe generally, are equally valid.
Therefore, if there are ten suggestions postulated, there will be nine
disappointed/pissed off people. And this kind of squabbling will
attach to almost every aspect to a virtual season. Is Tracy dead or
alive? Is Vachon dead or alive? Is Tracy/Nat a vampire? human? Is
Nick still a cop in Toronto? Does LaCroix stake Nick (non-fatally)?
Does he leave Toronto? Does Janette figure in the third season? And
so forth. Think of the arguments on list that have focused on each of
these points. Now realize that we are assigning an extra *cachet* to
whoever writes the virtual season version. Given this is still a
fanfic universe, we are nonetheless decreeing that some people's vision
of the fourth season is *more equal* than others. The potential
ill-feeling that could result from this is enormous, imo.
5. Logistical nightmares. Are we setting this fourth season in
Toronto? How do we deal with the problems that presents - or do we?
6. Rejection trauma. Who gets to tell someone they're not a *good
enough* writer to participate? Or, worse, that the story they've just
*submitted* to the virtual season nabobs totally stinks and shouldn't
be posted? Or needs substantial rewriting, and the author
refuses/doesn't have time/etc? And what gives the *nabobs* the right
to do that? We're all just fans and listmembers, excepting the
listowners, and they're not involved in this. And how does the list
deal with the very hurt feelings of the rejected? Alternatively, if
the VS tsars decide to be nice and not hurt anyone's feelings by
rejecting material, the listmembers are all going to be reading a lot
of contradictory dreck that proclaims itself to be the *definitive*
virtual fourth season.
7. The inherent restrictiveness. What if two excellent writers each
come up with totally terrific storylines -- but they so totally
contradict each other so that only one can be used or continuity is
totally destroyed beyond even the ability of the FK universe to sustain
the differences? Who decides which should be *canon*? And why should
the readers be deprived of the alternative pov, particularly when one
can assume that there are large segments of the reading audience that
agree with both positions?
8. Time constraints. I think the idea was to have a different story
every week or two. What if someone gets bogged down and can't write
it? If this thing is being coordinated, what if someone is writing a
story based on something that's supposed to happen in an earlier story
which doesn't get written or which gets delayed for a month? In
practical terms, I foresee a myriad of problems.
As I said, I think it's a grand idea and I'd love to see it happen - in
theory. I just think in practice it's going to get awfully messy.
Instead, I would suggest that if anyone wants to write fourth season
story, just do it. As we have been. Why not just create a topic:
fourth season. That way, everyone's opinions are equally valid,
nobody's feelings get hurt by having their ideas rejected, and instead
of having to make a choice between two marvellous stories that take
totally different tacks on fourth season, we the readers can enjoy them
both.
LaurieCF
Cousin M+B+D+T+K
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 08:53:41 -0500
From: Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject: Re: SPoiler: LK and virtual season/Format?
>> I like the idea that LaCroix let Nick think Nat was dead when she
>> wasn't and that perhaps this makes both Nick and Nat angry with him.
A further refinement to this. Nick accuses LaCroix of this, or more
specifically, of letting Nick think that Natalie was going to die, in the
expectation that Nick would then drain the last of Natalie's blood, and
she really would be dead. LaCroix says that he really did think
Natalie was going to die, but Nick insists that LaCroix doesn't make
mistakes like that. LaCroix comes up with some believable reason why he
thought Natalie was going to die. Nick still thinks LaCroix knew Natalie
wasn't anywhere near so close to death, but he's not absolutely sure.
I wonder what effect that would have on Nick and on the relationship between
him and LaCroix.
Of course, nobody, including us, ever finds out for sure what LaCroix
knew or didn't know.
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
N&NPacker
Cousins of the Knight
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 11:00:15 -0700
From: Amy R. <akr@n.......>
Subject: SPOILER: AtA, LK -- Tracy
Last week, I remarked on the pathetic side of Tracy leaving this
world with a stomach flu.
Giving that a more serious spin, what if Tracy's illness was a
premonition? With AtA, I tried to make a parallel between Urs and
Tracy's perceptions of an "evil presence," and between that and the
apparent ease with which Tracy accessed Faubert at the end, you could
consider Tracy to possess some psychic potential.....
*** Amy, Lady of the Knight (akr@n.......) ***
"You revere all that is mortal, all that is human. If you really loved
her, you would never take that from her. You would rather see her die."
--- LC, in BMV
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 14:55:06 -0400
From: Arletta Asbury <g4akl@e.......>
Subject: Re: Spoiler: Virtual season, script format
Cousin Lisa wrote:
>The script format is quite flexible. <snip> I don't like the idea
>of a virtual season which isn't in script form, mostly because I don't
>see a difference between plain fanfic and the virtual season if it isn't.
I have to agree with her. I haven't had the opportunity to read scripts but
I've read several of the transcripts (that were available on Darkangel's
site) and I think that format is OK and preferable to anything else.
Otherwise, *what* is the difference between fanfic and a virtual season.
p.s. I'm not knocking fanfic, I LOVE fanfic.
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 14:02:24 -0500
From: John & Donna Spert <jjs@i.......>
Subject: Re: virtual season/Spoilers LK
On Wed, 29 May 1996, Gehirn Karies wrote:
> Donna and John:
> >Tracy across. In the final scene, Nick is mortal,
> Only until LaCroix says, "Nicholas, we must do lunch." CHOMP! SLURP!
>
> Brutal Cousin Karies
LOL! I've always felt that should Nick succeed in becoming mortal,
LaCroix would wait until Nick was in danger of dying, and try and get Nick
to ask (preferably beg) to be brought across. And then do it regardless.
John
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 15:36:36 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: SPOILER: Last Night (reference to NiQ Nick and Nat)
I decided to post my spoiler reason for why I think Nick and Nat didn't
make love in Night in Question. If Nick has been able to do that, he
wouldn't have been so hesitant to do it in LK, I don't think. Think
about it. If he didn't "vamp out" in NiQ when they were doing it,
he would have *remembered* that (and Nat didn't appear to have been
bitten in NiQ). His memory for going *forward* after the NiQ shooting
wasn't damaged. So why then would he have been a) so reluctant to
try it (knowing he was a vampire would make that big a difference?)
and b) lost control?
Because they didn't make love in NiQ, imo.
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 15:42:09 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: SPOILER: AtA, LK -- Tracy
Amy R. writes:
>Giving that a more serious spin, what if Tracy's illness was a
>premonition?
Or what if she caught vampirism from kissing Vachon in Fever and it
just took until LK for it to start defeating her body's defenses?
(Hey, Vachon was *sick*--who knows what that would have done to the
vampire "element" in him? ;) )
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 15:39:05 -0500
From: "J.S. Levin" <wabbit@e.......>
Subject: Re: BB1, Nick's diet, virtual season musings
Re: Nick and alleged not drinking human blood for the past hundred years.
Right. This is 1912, and as Nancy Fralic noted:
><snip> For that matter, he couldn't be drinking animal blood on the Titanic
>- how could he have
>shipped enough and preserved it long enough to make that long a trip?
As I may have noted elsewhere, preservation techniques this early would have
been really shaky -- alcohol (drinking variety) added to the blood and hope.
Or maybe deep cold, if he could secrete the stuff into the Titanic's ice
cellar. Of course, this trip was only supposed to be a week or two --
nothing major even for a shaky preservation technique.
However, I don't think he even bothered.
> <snip> If he was not killing for food, how did he survive the trip except
>by sipping? If he was not eating at all, how could he be the gentleman at
>leisure among the passengers without vamping out?
Absolutely -- which means he was probably still -- or again -- drinking
human blood.
What concerns me more is Nick's hypocrisy (?sp?). Mr. "Hasn't *Really*
Drunk Human Blood in a Century" has actually had a fair amount, if our few
flashbacks of the 20th cen are even faintly representative. Black Buddha,
Outside the Lines, 1966... seems like drinking animal blood has been more a
"yo-yo diet" than anything else.
I'd like to see one of the results of the "virtual season" be a change in
Nat & Nick's reasoning on a cure. The present methods haven't worked over
the past 6 years. The end result -- FK -- were disasterous, to say the
least. Time to look at some new methods. Besides, having Nick grimace at
protein shakes and mortal food and reach for the ketchup is getting *real* old.
Just my two ducats.
Storm (Vaquera, Scrapper, Gangrel)
wabbit@e....... (J.S.Levin/Stormsinger)
Their canon met my imagination and was outgunned.
If you practice being fictional, you discover that "characters"
are as real as people with bodies and heartbeats...
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 17:12:21 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: Virtual season - misgivings
Laurie Fenster writes:
>Assuming a *virtual season* should have 22 episodes, do we have that
>many really good writers to write them?
There are many good writers posting to the fic list. There's also the
possibility of authors doing more than one story (the real FK used
some writers more than once, after all). So there might not need to
be 22 different writers.
>Lack of time.
I can see ways around this too. Like the real FK, the virtual season
could start in September, with weekly postings of six or seven stories.
Then consider the next six or seven weeks to be "reruns". :) Then
start the process again. Surely that would give authors time to work
on stories.
>And if these things aren't proof-read, spell-checked, etc., they are
>going to be subjected to a LOT of ridicule.
Well, most authors would probably do this anyway. I do it. But I
would think that it was *content* that would be a bit more important
for criticism than form.
>everyone who participates is going to want to write a *character*
>story.
Well, yes, I can see this point. FK had stories that *focused* on
characters (FWTD, for example) though. The thing to bear in mind is
that there should be a "crime" story which can focus on an "issue"
and how those things impact on the characters, I guess.
>Who's going to write the kind of general, "fill an hour time slot"
>cop story that comprises most of an FK season?
Well, while I think the "cop story" element should be in stories, I
think it would be interesting to see whether a "virtual season" would
be different, considering our knowledge as fans. I would expect that
the real FK had some scripts done by people with barebones knowledge
of the show.
>_Everyone_ is going to want to write episode one.
Probably. But does that automatically mean that people who write
(or decide to write) an "episode one" aren't going to post their
version? The "virtual season" would go with one version, but no one's
forcing anyone to *not post* stories of their own if they want to.
>Who is going to want to write episode two? Much less episode 10 or
>17
I would. And there's certainly a possibility that virtual season
stories will inspire authors to consider what might "happen next",
just as happens with regular fanfic after an episode of FK airs.
>Potential for hurt feelings, resentment, list splintering is enormous.
Yes, this is a valid concern. My only suggestion is that people try
not to look on things *personally*. I think the virtual season idea
has the potential to give us a perspective on what doing a series
might be like. In fact, at the season's end, I'd love to see the
participants (however they participated) post what their experience
was like and what they may have learned from it. And also for readers
to give their opinions about it. I've never heard of a fandom wanting
to organize a whole "virtual season" like this. I find it fascinating
myself.
>Who gets to set the concepts for fourth season - who's alive, who's
>dead, who's mortal, who's involved?
I would expect some sort of committee would be doing that. If you
think about it, the real FK probably was mostly in the hands of James
Parriott, Michael Sadowski, and Lalonde and Bedarde (story wise).
>Rejection trauma.
Well, this is possible too. But again, does that stop an author from
posting a story he/she has written? No one, to my knowledge, is
suggesting that a story not accepted for a virtual season episode
should languish in someone's drawer (hard drive, disk, etc.) unread.
Another way around this would be for people to submit short "pitches"
of possible ideas they would like to develop into a story. Then if
the idea was rejected, an author could decide whether he/she still
wanted to go through with developing it into a story or not. This is
what scriptwriters do, I would think. Of course, whoever was on the
steering committee would have to keep records of such "pitches" in
case of a later decision to go a way that would make a previously
rejected pitch desirable. That way the person who pitched an idea
would be the one asked to write it.
>Who gets to tell somone they're not a *good enough* writer to
>participate...that the story...*submitted* stinks...Or needs
>substantial rewriting,
Yes, difficult decisions might need to be made. But if those who
want to participate go into it with a "for the show" attitude rather
than a "for myself" attitude, this should help. And, again, no one
has suggested stopping someone from posting a story that isn't chosen
as a virtual episode.
>Alternatively, if the VS tsars decide to be nice and not hurt
>anyone's feelings by rejecting material, the listmembers are all
>going to be reading a lot of contradictory dreck.
As if that wasn't a feature of FK. :) Seriously, yes, this could be
a problem and I, for one, would rather see some amount of "guidance"
in direction of a virtual season. I don't personally have a problem
with the idea of stories I might submit being rejected. I could
still post without the virtual season topic heading (whatever that
might be).
>(re: two great stories that contradict each other) why should the
>readers be deprived of the alternative pov
Why should they? Again, no one has suggested that people can't post
*any* story, just selecting certain stories to be virtual season
stories.
>Time constraints. I think the idea was to have a different story
>every week or two. What if someone gets bogged down and can't write
>it?
As I suggested above, that problem could be solved by starting the
season in September and having "rerun" gaps in posting. BTW, if
this method was followed, a decision would have to be made whether
to actually repost the "rerun" on the rerun week or to have the
author (or someone else) agree to make it available for those that
might have missed it the first time.
>Why not just create a topic: fourth season.
This would be an alternative to a guided virtual season. But at the
end of the time period set for posting fourth season stories, would
we then cast "votes" on which 22 stories comprised a virtual fourth
season?
Another alternative would be to have someone do a series of virtual
season fanzines only (with three issues of seven to eight stories
per issue). But that would mean anyone interested would have to
shell out cash to get them and of course, stories included would be
determined by the editor(s). Imo, it would be more fun to post the
stories to the fic list.
I must reiterate, though, that I think the "virtual season" concept is
fascinating and innovative. If the people involved fall flat on their
faces, big deal. But if a virtual season turned out to be entertaining,
thought-provoking, and instructive, then wouldn't we all have been
better off for having done it?
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 17:20:32 -0400
From: TJ Goldstein <vanguard@p.......>
Subject: Re: SPOILER: AtA, LK -- Tracy
Sandra Gray wrote:
> Or what if she caught vampirism from kissing Vachon in Fever and it
> just took until LK for it to start defeating her body's defenses?
Or what if male vampires aren't as sterile as we thought ...
<runs from the room, ducking ...>
---- TJ
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 16:27:12 -0600
From: Deb <drowland@a.......>
Subject: Re: Black Buddah (one mention of LK)
OK, this is probably old stuff but I wasn't on the list when BB aired the
first time. When Nick is slumped in the corner in the loft and shuts the
blinds as they're shutting he raises the Buddah and looks at it. For two or
three seconds his hand is obviously in the light. No smoke. Not even a
flinch. Any theories or just overlooked inthe editing?
Also is that the same trunk LaCroix was packing in LK? Geez, these guys
have all the money in the world. Do they have to share a suitcase?
Deb Knightie with strong Cousinly urges and maybe a Cousin of Knight
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 17:52:52 -0400
From: Linda Simon <lsimon@h.......>
Subject: SPOILERS -- FRANCESCA, LK
MHO's
1. The intriguing new twist offered in Francesca--that the victim's
blood contains memories, feelings, and talents--should have been established
earlier in the life of FK. It would have provided rich grist for the plot
mill, including a sinister seeking-out of extraordinary victims.
2. Nick took A LOT of Nat's blood (and Alyssa's, etc.), yet there was
no indication that he was drunk on her essence. That was a big missed
opportunity: he could have been infused with the sense of what it was like
to be in love with Nick (that would not have been new for him), her memories
of their best moments (in quick-flash scenes) and how strongly Natalie felt
about being brought across; then he probably would have gone through with it.
I was cheerful at the parties, but rewatching LK, home alone, I
WAILED! Felt a little like the sad day I lost my childhood innocence (not
sexual innocence--I still have that).
Linda Simon - NatPacker, subliminal Cousin
"Oh Elizabeth, your justice would freeze beer!" John Proctor, THE CRUCIBLE
by Arthur Miller
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 15:39:35 -0700
From: Valery King <kingv@u.......>
Subject: Re: Spoiler: Virtual season, script format
On Thu, 30 May 1996, Lisa McDavid wrote:
> The script format is quite flexible. There can be narrative-like passages
> as stage directions. [snip]
Very true! you can have a lot of fun writing your stage directions to your
actors. One of my favorites is in an early Gillian Horvath script (don't
remember the episode, sorry) with Nick hypnotising someone. Gillian's
direction to the actor/director, after she wrote the line of dialog for
Nick, was something along the lines of: ("These are not the droids you're
looking for...") So much conveyed with a little line! You get the idea
*immediately*. And it's very witty, wouldn't you agree? Not boring to
read at all.
So I agree with you on this one, Lisa. In the hands of a talented writer
(and we abound with those here!) a script can be a very enjoyable and
creative format to write OR read.
> Ok, so I do have an ulterior motive. I don't like the idea of a virtual
> season which isn't in script form, mostly because I don't see a
> difference between plain fanfic and the virtual season if it isn't.
I'd like to reiterate Lisa's point here. We *already* have a fiction list,
which can do a continuation quite well--and has been. If you *really* want
to create a "virtual season" then I think scripts could be the best way to
go. And in many ways, for a visual thinker, it can be easier to write. As
for restrictions it might impose: good! Five acts/40-some minutes
including teaser and tag has been the framework that the "real" writers
have had to work within, and if you want to have a "realistic" season, it
would IMHO be best to stick with the format.
--Valery
kingv@u.......
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 16:24:01 -0700
From: Amy R. <akr@n.......>
Subject: SPOILER: LK, HF, Re: Black Buddah
On Thu, 30 May 1996, Deb wrote:
> three seconds his hand is obviously in the light. No smoke. Not even a
> flinch. Any theories or just overlooked in the editing?
Nothing sparks theories like things that were "just overlooked." :)
I always take incidents like this as proof that Nick is moving toward
mortality. A little sun here, a little food there, a little twinge of
pain when a bullet is being dug out of his back.... :)
Seriously, though, I am reminded of Janette's inability to bring Robert
across in HF. If Nick had been moving toward mortality, then his ability
to bring people across would likely have been impaired -- LK. (Of course,
Nick had been backsliding horribly, largely through no fault of his own,
and he did manage to bring Janette across, but still....)
> Also is that the same trunk LaCroix was packing in LK? Geez, these guys
> have all the money in the world. Do they have to share a suitcase?
I believe we established that it is the same trunk in FD, BB and LK.
Perhaps they had a matched set back in France.... <g>
It is interesting to note that none of our original vamps really "travels
light." Nick still has the cross St. Joan gave him; LC has kept that
cameo for two-thousand years; and Janette had that trunk Schanke was
poking into in CC. Admittedly, I accumulate more in a year than they seem
to in a century, but I like the fact that, despite Aristotle's rules,
they've never managed to actually leave everything behind.
BTW: wasn't the original idea for the virtual season just to pick a
"story of the week" from regular fkfic-l posts for discussion? My, how
it has grown!
*** Amy, Lady of the Knight (akr@n.......) ***
"You revere all that is mortal, all that is human. If you really loved
her, you would never take that from her. You would rather see her die."
--- LC, in BMV
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 19:37:59 -0400
From: "Lisa P." <LadysAVamp@a.......>
Subject: Re: Black Buddah (one mention of LK)
YES - I saw that too (with his hand)! My first thought was that someone
fell asleep while editing that scene. I really do believe that it was an
oversite and not part of the plot.
As for the trunk in LK, maybe they got a good 2-for-1 deal! :)
Lisa P.
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 20:42:51 -0400
From: Lisa Prince <Moonlight@g.......>
Subject: Re: Spoiler: Virtual season, script format
Hey, Hey All :)
I already voiced my opinion directly to TJ, so I won't do it here.
Just a quickie little point to make and then I've out of here.
Lisa McDavid wrote:
>> The script format is quite flexible. There can be narrative-like
>> passages as stage directions. [snip]
I have, unfortunately, had the opportunity to help write and then
entirely type an episode of Murder She Wrote in director's script
format -- complete with the numbered camera angles, fades,
character clothing, hair, etc. Just MVHO, but from experience,
this is not a quick one or two week process even if you have a
story idea totally fleshed out. It takes a lot of time to do a
director's script and technically, if a virtual season is going to
be written, it should be done in director's format, complete with
camera angles, placement, moving versus stationary, etc. An
actor's script often lacks many of the things a director's script
would include -- technically, all the actors need is the dialogue.
Anyway, that one script with two of us working on the writing and
technical stuff took almost a month to complete, not including
final typing and proofing, and was upwards of 90 pages long. Just
MHO, the dialogue is fun and relatively easy to do, but the rest is
boring and tedious.
Regardless, I wish all of those who plan on doing the writing a lot
of luck. Having done it once, I'd rather have my thumbs cut off
than ever do it again. It's definitely an acquired taste and form.
Lisa
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 21:16:47 -0400
From: Jane Credland <janes@i.......>
Subject: Re: LK SPOILERS:IA Investigation
On Wed, 29 May 1996, Elizabeth Ann Lewis wrote:
> Not to mention the fact that Nick is/was now the only witness. For all IA
> knew, he might have accidentally shot Tracy while fighting with the perp.
This is about as unlikely a scenario as any I've ever read. Forensics
will undoubtedly run ballistics tests on the bullets removed from Tracy
and compare them to Dawkins and Nick's guns. So, IA will know exactly
who shot Tracy.
Jane
janes@i.......
Raven ** Immortal Beloved ** M.B.D.T.K.
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