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Digest - 19 Sep 2015 to 20 Sep 2015 (#2015-78)
Sun, 20 Sep 2015
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Topics of the day:
1. vampires with PTSD (3)
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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 21:16:12 -0500
From: Margie Hammet <treeleaf@p.......>
Subject: Re: vampires with PTSD
This is Forever Knight we're talking about isn't it? The show where a
vampire brought across in 1228 was also at the Battle of Hastings in
1066? I don't think there was a bible.
Margie
On 9/18/2015 8:52 PM, Andrew Caruthers wrote:
> Show layout/description/writer's guide.
>
>
>
> On Fri, 18 Sep 2015 20:48:59 -0500 Margie Hammet <treeleaf@p.......>
> writes:
>> Bible?
>>
>> Margie Hammet
>>
>> On 9/18/2015 6:39 PM, Andrew Caruthers wrote:
>>> I think Nick had the beginnings of PTSD, before he ever met
>>> Janette/LaCroix. He had been a soldier, in a down and dirty war, where
>>> the killing was up close and vicious. Having escaped a murder charge, of
>>> a woman he was falling for, only to find himself in the thick of combat,
>>> must have weighed terribly upon him. raised as he was, put it all
>>> together, and I think one reason LaCroix's offer appealed as it did, was
>>> that he was in the PTSD quandry. He was not thinking as clearly as he
>>> might have, had the various adventures never happened, and he was still
>>> peacefully at home, with the family at Castle de Brabant.
>>> Does anyone know, from the show's bible, whether Nick's father was
>>> supposed to still be alive, when he went off to serve with Lord de
>>> L'Barr, or the Crusade?
>>>
>
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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 19:38:48 -0700
From: Andrew Caruthers <slinter@j.......>
Subject: Re: vampires with PTSD
Ah, but I fixed that in one of my Fics! ;)
On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 21:16:12 -0500 Margie Hammet <treeleaf@p.......>
writes:
> This is Forever Knight we're talking about isn't it? The show where a
> vampire brought across in 1228 was also at the Battle of Hastings in
> 1066? I don't think there was a bible.
>
> Margie
>
> On 9/18/2015 8:52 PM, Andrew Caruthers wrote:
> > Show layout/description/writer's guide.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 18 Sep 2015 20:48:59 -0500 Margie Hammet
> <treeleaf@p.......>
> > writes:
> >> Bible?
> >>
> >> Margie Hammet
> >>
> >> On 9/18/2015 6:39 PM, Andrew Caruthers wrote:
> >>> I think Nick had the beginnings of PTSD, before he ever met
> >>> Janette/LaCroix. He had been a soldier, in a down and dirty war, where
> >>> the killing was up close and vicious. Having escaped a murder charge, of
> >>> a woman he was falling for, only to find himself in the thick of combat,
> >>> must have weighed terribly upon him. raised as he was, put it all
> >>> together, and I think one reason LaCroix's offer appealed as it did, was
> >>> that he was in the PTSD quandry. He was not thinking as clearly as he
> >>> might have, had the various adventures never happened, and he was still
> >>> peacefully at home, with the family at Castle de Brabant.
> >>> Does anyone know, from the show's bible, whether Nick's father was
> >>> supposed to still be alive, when he went off to serve with Lord de
> >>> L'Barr, or the Crusade?
> >>>
> > ____________________________________________________________
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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 16:54:46 -0400
From: Greer Watson <gwatson2@r.......>
Subject: Re: vampires with PTSD
On Fri, 18 Sep 2015, Bonnie Pardoe wrote:
> most likely, as mortals, they were raised to believe that murder
> was a sin/wrong; but then as a vampire, they have to do that
> very thing in order to survive
Murder and killing aren't the same thing, though. Nick would have been
trained from childhood in the arts of war, with its presumption that he
would kill in battle as an adult.
On the other hand, war in theory is not the same as in practice. Killing
faceless enemies *might* be something he could get used to, especially after
lifelong training. However, nearly being killed himself (which must have
happened sometimes) would be hard to process--at least afterwards, even if
he was filled with adrenaline during the actual battle. Also, he would
surely have made friends among his fellow knights on crusade, only to then
see some of them hacked to death in battle. That would be very hard to
take, I should think: there'd be a measure of survival guilt.
> the most vivid memories they have are about death, murder,
> betrayal, revulsion, fear,
Oh, yes! The the final emotions of the victim! As vampires apparently
drink the feelings with the blood, that would be reinforced over and over.
(Of course, there's the possibility that *some* vampires get off on the
terror of their victims. However, we've never seen that with Nick, nor
several of the others, unless it's someone they hate.)
In this context, one might wonder if this is one reason for Nick to romance
and kill women. Of course, there's the fact that it's a way to lure a
victim; and also there the sexual component. However, the way the scenes
are staged suggests that they are entranced into *enjoying* being drained.
I'm thinking here particularly of Amalia in "Near Death", who clearly wanted
to repeat the experience of being bitten by Nick. Up till the last time
(when he loses control and kills her), he's *not* getting feelings of fear
and revulsion from her blood.
Of course, once she dies in ecstacy, the fact that he actually had a
relationship with her just exacerbates his guilt. In fact, Nick generally
seems more upset by killing women. It betrays his honour. (And he does it
over and over and over again.)
> So, Nick isn't morally bad, he just has PTSD!
Certainly, Nick's flashbacks tend to be negative ones; and a high proportion
of them dwell on the circumstances leading up to his killing people.
Furthermore, he gets lost in reliving the past--sufficiently so that people
like Schanke and Tracy *notice* that he's mentally absent, even in
situations (such as at a crime scene) when he ought to be intensely involved
in the investigation. That's very much consistent with PTSD.
Greer
gwatson2@r.......
http://www.foreverknight.org/FK4/
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