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Digest - 14 Nov 2009 to 15 Nov 2009 (#2009-197)

Sun, 15 Nov 2009

There are 8 messages totalling 216 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Night in Question (4)
  2. Stage Doors (was re: Ger question)
  3. Knight in Question
  4. Night in Question/Hearts of Darkness Debate
  5. Admin: Please watch quotation lengths


Date:    Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:27:19 -0500
From:    Ramona Jackson <lexyladyjax@g.......>
Subject: Re: Night in Question

> Subject: Night in Question
> Night in Question
> 1.  The doctor says that some amnesia victims never recover their memories.
> Is this to give Natalie some hope that hers and Nick's quest might succeed?
This was to heighten the dramatic tension.  He's a vampire, of course he's
going to heal and regain his memories.
> 2.  Why do the detectives press Tracy so hard to try to remember.  Don't
> there realize that this type of stress has a negative effect?

See reason above.  All the pressure just made Tracy whine.  I wanted to
smack everyone in these scenes.
> 3.  Natalie and LaCroix.  Is this the first time they meet?  Although
> Natalie must have seen LaCroix before since she recognizes him.
No.  Remember the scenes in Azure?  Of course, Natalie wouldn't remember.
So how does she know who he is...?  There's a mystery here.
> 4.  Nick apparently dreams that he is biting Natalie, and LaCroix seems to
> be watching.  Is this Nick's dream or LaCroix's?
IMHO this is *Nick's* dream.  His subconscious is trying to tell him what
he is, give him some hints about his past, and tell him what he needs.
> 5.  While driving, Nick is listening to the "Nightcrawler" and he turns him
> off!  Ha!  Wonderful!
Something he rarely does when he's in his right mind.
> 6.  For someone with amnesia, Nick remembers how to drive AND how to drive
> around Toronto.  He also knows where Tracy lives as well as how to get
> there.  Convenient.
People often retain skills.  A surgeon could still tie one-handed knots
when he was amnesiac and did it unconsciously.  Driving doesn't go away.
Could you be confusing amnesia with brain damage?
> 7.  When Tracy is hunkering down behind the barrels at the Cement plant, I
> love the look on her face when she spots the "flammable" sign right next to
> her face, and realizes where she is.
Not quite the dumb blonde we thought.
> 8.  Has anyone else ever noticed that Nick and Tracy don't actually have any
> scenes together?  Their parts could have been filmed on separate continents
> and different days.  Isn't this odd?
The scene when Nick was shot had both of them in it.
> 9.  It seems to me that LaCroix is almost mellow in this episode.  Did he
> take a nice pill by mistake?   :-)
I interpreted it as a bit of happiness at being needed.  Nigel truly acted
that beautifully.  I saw vulnerability and need in his portrayal as well as
fear of rejection.
> 10.  Inconsistencies. irregularities, lapses in continuity, or whatever you
> want to call it.

> What gets me mostly is how the "amnesiac" gets around Toronto.
> This seems a glaring error to me.  On the other hand, it's only a 44 minute
> show.
For all we know he consulted a map before he drove to the storage center.
> Maybe he's so concerned about Nick that it overrides all else? :) Although
> one of the things I disliked about season 3 was the watering down of LaCroix
> generally. I even asked Nigel offlist about it. His reply was to the effect
> that this was what the Powers That Be insisted on.  We heard later that he
> had actually threatened to quit at least once.
I never saw the season 3 changes as watering down LaCroix...I saw it as
character development.  Nick was going to pursue mortality if it killed him,
as he did, and I believe that Uncle finally  accepted that after 800 years.
I put it up to concern and protecting the identity that Nick wanted to
maintain there in Toronto.

One of my Top Ten Favourite episodes.



Date:    Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:47:34 -0800
From:    DJ Clawson <dj_clawson@y.......>
Subject: Re: Night in Question

I love how we try to justify what comes down to lousy consistency in this show.
"Night in Question" isn't particularly bad except for the scene of Nick eating
soup unless he threw it up later, as they spent season 1 establishing that Nick
can't eat. The worst one though is that one we were discussing before, the
vampire who doesn't know she's a vampire and therefore can go out in sunlight,
an episode I haven't watched a ton of times because it's too stupid for words.
It would be fine if it was early season 1 and they were establishing their
vampire canon, which is that the vampire is psychological, but they did the
very opposite and said it was a medical condition. But I guess it's okay to
blow that out of a water to make for a particular confusing case.

"Night in Question" also has one of my favorite "dumb Tracy" moments, her
agreeing to meet the shooter without back-up or even telling anybody. She only
slightly beat that by going undercover as a hooker and not telling anybody.
What if she got a slew of johns that weren't the serial killer she was looking

- DJ


Date:    Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:16:56 -0500
From:    Phoenix <phoenix@s.......>
Subject: Stage Doors (was re: Ger question)

Personally, having gone to theatre in the UK, Ireland, and in Canada,
typically what we'd do is locate the stage door ahead of time and plan a
safe route to it after the show.  And then hope the actors come out and
sign stuff.  Some actors will kinda duck their heads and flee, but many
will stop and talk to fans and sign autographs and such.  Generally, as
long as the fans are respectful, it's been cool all the times I've done
this, even with the madness that surrounded David Tennant starring in
Hamlet in London back in January (they had extra security and barriers,
but that's very unusual in London).

I'd say ask the theatre if you're not sure, but generally, hanging out
at the stage door is okay, s'long as you don't act like a crazy stalker,
you should be fine.  And if you're lucky, you'll get a pic something
like this: http://pics.livejournal.com/druidsfire/pic/00917bbs/g1248

As the others have said, Ger's generally pretty cool about meeting fans,
so good luck!

List Founder and Elder Stateskitteh.


Date:    Sat, 14 Nov 2009 15:20:10 -0800
From:    ChicagoMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@y.......>
Subject: Re: Knight in Question

< Is this the first time Natalie has met LaCroix?>   No, they met back in
Valentine's Day, although I don't know if he made her forget it or not.   Mel


Date:    Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:13:06 -0500
From:    Nick Chase <nchase@e.......>
Subject: Re: Night in Question

DJ Clawson wrote:
> I love how we try to justify what comes down to lousy consistency in this
> show.

But ... but ... that's the fun part! :)

----  Nick


Date:    Sun, 15 Nov 2009 06:03:42 -0800
From:    Laurie of the Isles <laudon1228@y.......>
Subject: Re: Night in Question/Hearts of Darkness Debate

--- On Thu, 11/12/09, Ramona Jackson <lexyladyjax@g.......> wrote:

> LaCroix truly loves his undead son,

Oh man I'm giggling like maniac here.  Anybody else having a "The Heathers"

Laurie of the Isles


Date:    Sun, 15 Nov 2009 12:54:07 -0500
From:    Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Re: Night in Question

Known, when the show was in first-run, as adding cheese. :) We did have fun,


>DJ Clawson wrote:
>> I love how we try to justify what comes down to lousy consistency in this


Date:    Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:05:45 -0500
From:    Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Admin: Please watch quotation lengths

From the rules which Don posts regularly:

 "Please don't quote more than four lines of a previous post in
replying. If you have more than one point to answer, then you may
quote the relevant four lines for that point also."

We've had several instances recently where the entire previous was quoted.
This takes up unnecessary room in the discs which hold posts for the digest.
If you feel that 4 lines isn't enough to make it clear what you're answering,
paraphrase the rest.

As Stonetree once said in a different context, "there are not suggestions."




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