FORKNI-L
Digest - 4 Feb 2008 to 5 Feb 2008 (#2008-32)
Tue, 5 Feb 2008
There are 7 messages totalling 292 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Germy scrunchie....
2. Natalie's germy scrunchie (4)
3. Caddy Update
4. Natalie's Scrunchy/Powerful Women/Dating FK Fans!
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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 22:28:15 EST
From: Lori Isabella <LDukie913@a.......>
Subject: Re: Germy scrunchie....
On the other hand, maybe it isn't hers. (Haven't had time to watch the ep
again,
& I don't remember if she says it is hers.) Maybe it belongs to one of her
"guests".
Could have been very special to that person: a lucky scrunchie, or a
sentimental
gift from a loved one.
I think we can be fairly certain it wasn't evidence... she wouldn't have
been cleaning it
then.
Lori
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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 21:28:28 -0700
From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
Subject: Re: Natalie's germy scrunchie
How did it get in there? Well, she did wear scrunchies from time to time,
and when not in use, the morgue table is always spotlessly clean. Who cleans
it? Well, Grace, if she's around, but Natalie likely does it herself as
well. So a little vigorous scrubbing, perhaps a drain screen removed just
for a moment, and --oops! --off slides the scrunchy, time to get out the
monkey wrench.
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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 20:40:56 -0800
From: "Amy R." <akr@l.......>
Subject: Re: Natalie's germy scrunchie
In Monday's digest, "Stone, Barbara" <STONEB@g.......> wrote:
> >>On the other hand, maybe it isn't hers. (Haven't had time to
> watch the ep again, & I don't remember if she says it is hers.)
> Maybe it belongs to one of her "guests".<<
I took a look. Natalie doesn't say, and based on the visual, I'm
pretty confident that the scrunchie is meant to belong to one of
Natalie's "clients" rather than to her personally. The hair wrapped
around it is black, not Natalie's own brown.
Natalie says only "don't ask" about how it got into the
drain. Perhaps the body from which the scrunchie came had it in a
very unexpected place -- swallowed, for example -- and that's how it
ended up getting washed down the drain by accident? Perhaps it is
evidence of some sort? And it need not be Natalie who washed it down
the drain; perhaps someone else did it, and left it for her to clean
up? (Maybe it's even an interoffice prank of some kind?)
Amy R.
akr@l.......
FK Site: http://users.LMI.net/akr/fk/
FK Blog: http://brightknightie.livejournal.com/
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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 01:06:12 EST
From: KnghtWtch@a.......
Subject: Re: Caddy Update
Hello All!
Our Caddy had a buzy weekend. She went to two car shows. One in Lakeland,
the other in Winter Haven, both in Fla. She was well received and I got
several signatures on a petition to Chiller Channel to rerun FK.
But the best news I want to tell all of you is she was selected to a place
of honor. The Caddy's picture is being used on the Lakeland Cruisers dash
plaque for 2008. What an honor!!!!! Dash plaques are given to car show
participants as a thank you for attending.
Anyone who would like a pic of this plaque, please email me off list and I'd
be very happy to send it along.
KnightWitch ;-]=
ForeverKnight diehard, but first and foremost a CaddyWhacker. And now I can
prove it!!!!!!!!
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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 02:10:46 -0500
From: Deborah Hymon <debh@e.......>
Subject: Natalie's Scrunchy/Powerful Women/Dating FK Fans!
on 2/4/08 11:28 PM, Angela Gottfred at agottfre@t....... wrote:
>>>>> How did it get in there? Well, she did wear scrunchies from time to time,
***I never thought/assumed the scrunchy belonged to Natalie!!! NEVER!!! Not
even the first time I saw this episode!
She did say, "Don't ask." That statement led me to believe it didn't belong
to her, and was a humorous situation as to how it ended up in the drain. We
have to look at 'phrases' that was used during the 90s when FK was filmed.
"Don't ask" was a routine phrase used in my region, usually meaning there
was a story behind the situation, one usually that was so weird one wouldn't
believe the truth. I'm not sure this phrase was used in 1990s Toronto, but
when I saw this episode, I assumed the phrase meant the above mentioned
definition. This led me to believe that even Nick wouldn't believe why the
scrunchy was in the drain!
Natalie found the scrunchy was the cause of drain blockage. As far as
Natalie with the wrench, and cleaning out the drain herself? Natalie is a
very 'take charge' type of gal. In many ways, her personality is very much
like mine, and why I've always related to her. Again, I'm a self-sufficient
gal, and one who would unclog a drain without waiting for a maintenance man
to grace me with his presence. Actually, I did just this while working in a
hospital, so I never thought Natalie's behavior weird or out of character
when I saw this episode. I accepted it, and never gave it thought until it
was mentioned on this site. As I said, she's a strong woman, and would not
wait for a plumber to rescue her from 'drain back up woes!'
And, as someone previously stated, Natalie is a single, professional woman
who is used to taking care of herself and any problems. Living alone, I can
see her knowing how to use a wrench and unstopping a drain. Heck, I was in
the same situation in my first apartment, at the young age of 19, and
certainly knew how to clean drains, especially using a wrench, and cleaning
out the 'S' drain under the sink!
>>>>> and when not in use, the morgue table is always spotlessly clean.
Yes, the slab (morgue table) is spotless (sterile is a must in real life,
and has been for some time), but occasionally miscellaneous items did get
left behind (in those days) from a case (autopsy). I know, as one of my many
careers was medical, and I've worked closely with the coroner. I used to
hang out while my friend did autopsies, and I would assist her, thus
learning much about the morgue's procedures.
If she was looking for a specific cause of death inside a body, she didn't
worry about a ~scrunchy~ falling off a victim's hair (especially during the
pre-DNA days, which would fit into the FK time frame, before everything was
bagged and tagged).
We didn't collect fibers, etc. etc. etc. in the old days. Hey guys, we're
not talking CSI here!!! Remember the time frame, early 90s--things were so
much different in the late 80s to early 90s; technology/medical advances
were not what they are today!
Again, I state, in the late 80s to early 90s, things were not as efficient
or controlled as they are today. Eventually, the coroner's table would get
hosed down and cleaned, and anything from the deceased/patient that was not
directly related to the autopsy would end up in the trash. A scrunchy in the
table's drain would NOT have been that unusual! The victim's clothes was put
in special, secure bags for evidence, and usually ended up in the files.
Other precautions concerning evidence weren't implemented unless there was a
reason concerning the victim's death, then perhaps extra attention was
directed to certain aspects of the case!
>Who cleans it? Well, Grace, if she's around, but Natalie likely does it herself
as well. So a little vigorous scrubbing, perhaps a drain screen removed just for
a moment, and --oops! --off slides the scrunchy, time to get out the monkey
wrench.
Very rarely would Natalie clean the table, at least not here in the U.S.,
during the time frame of FK. Her department technicians/employees would do
the dirty chore. I'm assuming that Canada had the same procedures/protocol
as us. I can't imagine it being that different from our standard procedures.
Back during the time FK was filmed, at least in my medical area, we DID NOT
have drain screens! You have to remember, this is the time before police
procedure and medical examination relied on DNA! We hosed everything down
and it went down a 4-5 inch drain! I remember a few drain screens, but they
were rare!
***Oh what a difference 10 plus years can make!!!!!!!!
My gosh, if you notice, the wireless home phones in FK was new technology,
and the size of a brick. We had the same home that Nick had in his loft!
I also remember during that time owning one of the very first cell phones
(the smallest available at the time), approximately 8 X 10 inches, 5 inches
thick! BULK, bulk, bulk!!! <LOL> The phone was the size of the very old
answering machines, and in a purse type bag that zipped; the antenna was a
pencil type size, attached to the phone, about 6 inches in length, that
swiveled and pivoted up when needed. The reception and range was horrible,
and there was no such thing as long distance calls from those very first
cell phones!!! I remember me and hubby going out to dinner, unplugging the
'bag phone' from our van, and taking it into the restaurant, so the kid's
babysitter could call us if there was a problem.
OH MY GOSH, I JUST TOTALLY DATED MYSELF!!! OAKY, I'll admit, I was 36 when
FK first aired, and I'm now 51---Grrrrrrrrr, but hey, all of us FK fans are
much older!!! ;-) Oh, that last statement made me feel sooooooooooooooooo
much better!! <LOL>
Hey, love you guys! <WINK, WINK>
Deborah
DeborahAHymon.com
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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 07:19:26 -0500
From: "Phillips, Tim" <Tim.Phillips@s.......>
Subject: Re: Natalie's germy scrunchie
>Y'know, about that scrunchie: since it was in the pipes, Natalie may have
>just wanted to get the pipe cleared and took a wrench to it herself as a
>matter of pure practicality
That is my take on the situation.
Natalie needs the table now and has no problem with doing her
own plumbing (especially when it is as simple a task as she shows it to
be). I get the feeling she's done it before.
> MY question, how and under what circumstance did it get there in the
>first place!
That is a fun one.
Natalie does say "DON'T ASK" to Nick with a definite tone that
he really shouldn't ask how it got in there.
Could be that Natalie playfully shot it across the room out of
boredom and scored a "hole in one" in the sink.
Tim
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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 14:09:05 -0700
From: Walt <wdoherty5@c.......>
Subject: Re: Natalie's germy scrunchie
> Natalie does say "DON'T ASK" to Nick with a definite tone that
> he really shouldn't ask how it got in there.
>
> Could be that Natalie playfully shot it across the room out of
> boredom and scored a "hole in one" in the sink.
>
> Tim
You know, that's the best explanation, I've heard yet.
And, it rings true. The LAST thing Natalie would want
Nick to know is not that it was something really dangerous,
not that it was some really complicated procedure that she
didn't have time to go into, not that it was some sort of
strange or gruesome accident that she didn't want to go
into details about. No, it was that she did something
silly and slightly embarrassing and didn't want to have to
admit it. Haven't we all had experiences like that?
Walt Doherty
Phoenix, AZ
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