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Digest - 22 Jan 2007 to 23 Jan 2007 (#2007-17)
Tue, 23 Jan 2007
There are 6 messages totalling 244 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Suicide and the Pipe Bomb from OtLo (4)
2. Suicide and the Pipe Bomb from OtLo/The vampire mind
3. FK Season 3 DVD's on Amazon..........SALE!?!? (And Some GOOD News!)
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:37:02 -0500
From: Debbie Clarke <dittany121@h.......>
Subject: Re: Suicide and the Pipe Bomb from OtLo
>From: "Amy R." <akr@l.......>
>much of a face to look at.
>
>
> Again, just having fun thinking through the possibilities. :-)
>
In my mind I would have given the case to Schanke to work on and had some
fun there.
I often wondered about the investigation afterwards. Putting aside for a
minute the missing body, the police wouldn't have left it there. The
press would have been all over them wanting to know who this hero was
who had been killed saving people's lives. And although they couldn't find
any ID on him or thanks to the pipe bomb identify his remains either by
his face or fingerprints, they would have definitely asked the people in
the store for a description of him. They'd get something.
We know Nick was in no shape to mess with their memories for period of
time at least.
Debbie
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:43:43 -0600
From: Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@c.......>
Subject: Re: Suicide and the Pipe Bomb from OtLo
> Debbie Clarke wrote:
> his face or fingerprints, they would have definitely asked
> the people in the store for a description of him. They'd get
something.
Yeah, and perhaps the store had a closed-circuit TV camera--there
could be visual evidence of his heroics.
Nancy Kaminski
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:53:19 -0800
From: "Amy R." <akr@l.......>
Subject: Re: Suicide and the Pipe Bomb from OtLo
In the 1/22/07 digest, Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@c.......> wrote:
><<...c'mon, a gang that uses a pipe bomb to rob a store? Or carries
>one around? They're notoriously unstable, liable to go off
>unexpectedly, they're not very scary-looking, and not exactly practical.>>
Wonderful point! I had not thought of that. So probably
Eddie's version of events was scrambled, and either 1) the explosive
was not a pipe bomb, or 2) the incident was not a simple gang
robbery, of the "Fatal Mistake" convenience store type that leaps to mind.
Today, we usually think of pipe bombs as IEDs in Iraq. Circa
1990-1991, the time of the "Only the Lonely" flashback, what were
they generally used for? I speculate that this would have been a
robbery in which the perpetrators were trying to blow open something
with the pipe bomb -- a safe? a locked door? an armored car? As you
say, they would not likely have had an explosive of this type without
a specific use for it, and that use would help reveal what Nick was
doing at the time. (Alternatively, the gang could just include an
explosives nut, but that's probably not as productive a story scenario.)
Thinking of Eddie's relation of the unseen pipe-bomb incident,
I'm reminded that Eddie knew he delivered the body to Natalie, and
then someone else phoned and she confirmed the body's arrival. The
chain of evidence custody ends with her. Then the body went
missing. And whoever was on the other end of that phone line, and
the detectives assigned to the case, and the prosecutor -- oh, no one
was going to be happy with this. Since Nick tried to leave her
hypnotized, he must have given her a hypnotic suggestion of how to
cover it up ... mustn't he? (He wouldn't leave her hanging like he
did Schanke in "If Looks Could Kill," would he? Even there, he says
he will "eventually" help Schanke reconcile memory and fact; he seems
to be playing a prank, because of how Schanke made fun of the guard
Dr. Jurgen whammied.) In any case, that's another unseen and fraught
pivotal moment this brings to mind: Natalie's very first vampire cover-up.
I wonder if that could be paralleled with Tracy's
experience? That is, I wonder if perhaps that memory leapt to
Natalie's mind the first time she heard Tracy prevaricate to cover
her knowledge of vampires, and what Natalie might have felt if it did.
~
Amy R., Knightie
akr@l.......
Bright Knight: http://users.LMI.net/akr/fk/
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 23:04:59 -0600
From: Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@c.......>
Subject: Re: Suicide and the Pipe Bomb from OtLo
> Amy R. wrote:
> Today, we usually think of pipe bombs as IEDs in Iraq. Circa
> 1990-1991, the time of the "Only the Lonely" flashback, what were
> they generally used for?
The only use I've ever heard of for pipe bombs was to kill or maim
people.
> I speculate that this would have been a
> robbery in which the perpetrators were trying to blow open
> something with the pipe bomb -- a safe? a locked door? an armored
> car?
However, pipe bombs are not any good for these purposes. They
basically are cylinders stuffed with explosive materials and
projectiles such as nails or ball bearings, with some sort of
detonator triggered by movement. For example, a few years ago, a guy
was terrorizing rural residents in Iowa and Minnesota by rigging pipe
bombs in their roadside mailboxes. These bombs went off when they were
removed from the mailbox. Because it's not a shaped charge (configured
to explode in a narrow, directed manner) a pipe bomb's capacity to
blow anything open that is armored is fairly limited unless it's so
powerful that it also destroys whatever is being protected.
> doing at the time. (Alternatively, the gang could just include an
> explosives nut, but that's probably not as productive a
> story scenario.)
It may not be a productive story scenario, but honestly, that's the
only reason I can think of a gang having one on hand.
> I'm reminded that Eddie knew he delivered the body to Natalie, and
> then someone else phoned and she confirmed the body's arrival. The
> chain of evidence custody ends with her. Then the body went
> missing. And whoever was on the other end of that phone line, and
> the detectives assigned to the case, and the prosecutor --
> oh, no one was going to be happy with this.
I can't help wondering if this is Natalie's first coverup. She loses a
body. Oops. So maybe she manages the old John Doe unclaimed pauper
switcheroo, and one less body goes to Potter's Field. It wouldn't be
easy, but perhaps if you know the system well enough it could be
managed.
Cheers, Nancy Kaminski
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 08:55:22 +0100
From: Lorin <vachesang@1.......>
Subject: Re: Suicide and the Pipe Bomb from OtLo/The vampire mind
Greer wrote:
>Outrunning a bomb would depend on the speed with which it
>detonates, and the speed of reaction. But vampires have very quick
>reflexes; so it's fair to assume that Nick could probably do it.
It just occurred to me, although we don't actually know how fast the FK
vampires can fly/move, we do know they can move faster than the eye can see.
That being the case, what happens to the brain/mind when someone is brought
across? For a vampire to move across the room in the blink of an eye, they
surely have to be aware of their movement every step of the way? Which
means their mind has to be working at a far greater speed than that of
mortals. Of course, I am assuming that they are actually moving through
space, due to the 'whoosh' sound when they do move that fast, and not via
teleportation (for want of a better word!).
Lorin
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 13:14:32 EST
From: Billie Lee Williams <McCelt2003@a.......>
Subject: FK Season 3 DVD's on Amazon..........SALE!?!? (And Some GOOD News!)
............... (Morning all, BTW <g>) as of yesterday were UNDER ***30.00***
for the set, for anyone who has not gotten them yet. Seasons 1 & 2 are still
in the high 40's. I was waiting for an opportunity to get them at a lower
price, and woohoo, I was fooling around (testing my computer after a memory
upgrade & some new drives--a couple ROMs died <argh>), and, WOW, there it was!
(Please beg pardon, as I know some folks will get this more than once, also if
you are not a Forever Knight fan and are getting a BCC--then your're getting it
as an "Update" for the good news part...).
Anyhow, I am probably not the first person to know this, but being on a
limited income, I needed a really good price & I got one. Thought I would
share,
just in case anyone else still needed them. They seem to have reduced the
price on a number of things; when I went to my "Wish List," the prices had gone
down drastically on quite a few things.
GOOD NEWS: My Social Security Disability went through as of January 12, and
I am being paid from MAY 1st, not August (<--when I applied). My fighting for
recognition of my year 2000 income was worth it, as it bumped up my benefit
amount. They still have not "fixed" 2005, but it is in process. Hooray; I do
not have to file an appeal. It still is not enough to support the whole
household, but it makes a HECK of a dent in what is needed. Thanks to all for
prayers, good thoughts and the like--they obviously worked. God Bless you all
indeed. I have a *very* long way to recover from my (it-turned-out-to-be)
tremendously complicated left shoulder surgery, am NOT allowed to drive to lack
of reflexes in my left arm, hand and shoulder (plus other issues, that's enough,
though <g>), am now "dependent" on even more meds than I care to think about
(makes me MAD, MAD, MAD), have little electronic devices ("TENS" and some other
ones) to help with shoulder and "other places" pain----yada, yada, yada. Lots
of Rehab left, and I am NOT allowed to work. I am **absolutely** making
progress, yes, and it sure is nice to be able to raise my left arm in the air,
WOOHOO <g>. Still have the Mental Health stuff (mine) going on, but I am working
very hard on everything. I have the worst case of Cabin Fever, even though I
go out for PT, and even other stuff, whoo, let me tell you. OK, rant over,
LOL!!
So, back to my *point,* I splurged and got FK Season 3 on DVD (plus a couple
of other things on my Amazon Wish List <g>).
Love & Hugs to all + Have a GREAT Day, everyone,
Billie-Lee
"Oh, Divine Master grant that I may never seek, not so much to be consoled as
to console, not so much to be understood as to understand, to be loved as to
love with all my heart. Amen." Saint Francis; "Jesus take the wheel, take it
from my hands, 'cause I can't do this all on my own" (Carrie Underwood)
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