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Digest - 13 Feb 1996 - Special issue
Tue, 13 Feb 1996
There are 39 messages totalling 1008 lines in this issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. SOSFK Campaign (2)
2. JP's request (2)
3. AAAAaaarrrrrggggghhh & I've Told HL-L and AG-L
4. WCT's Update and sponsors
5. Uncle Fonz
6. WFXT again...
7. Sony Execs UPDATE (discard old list)
8. Melancholy Baby and thongs (3)
9. My FTP site update
10. FTP site addendum
11. T-Shirts
12. No Subject
13. I'm mad as h***, but I'm gonna take it a bit longer
14. Drat! Spoiler in "I'm mad as H***, . . ."
15. Getting more FK (2)
16. Introductions are in order... (2)
17. Boston area/Games Vampires Play
18. Off topic: Latin sig line
19. FK cancellation
20. Ger Article
21. TriStar made a really ignorant decision
22. VAMPIRE CHAT
23. <No subject given>
24. FK on USA
25. Taming GWD (2)
26. VD in Toronto
27. Monterey Bay Fans?
28. Murder
29. I Need FK Stats, Please!
30. VISIONS
31. Why not sell?
32. YKYB...
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 17:06:21 -0500
From: A McLaughlin <Iremi@a.......>
Subject: SOSFK Campaign
I was reading an article in the New Yorker about Viacom , which is the parent
co. of Paramount which also is a joint owner of USA. Got that? For every
studio, production company, show distributor there is a company that owns
them. We are bombarding Tri-Star with letters to the point that Jon
Feltheimer is ignoring them. We have little or no information about what he
really thinks of FK and what negotiations, if any, are happening with the
sale of FK.
We are working from the outside in. When you get bad service at a restuarant,
you don't talk to the waiter, you talk to the manager, and if he isn't
listening , you talk to the owner and so on. We need to be talking to Jon's
boss (hehehehe) and telling him that Feltheimer isn't listening to a very
large and vocal contingent of viewers who are interested in one of their
products -Forever Knight. Anybody can complain about bad service but it
doesn't always work. Today it's not "the customer is always right" it's "we
only pay attention to people who have influence and the customer isn't it"
which is preatty dam foolish when they see their stock go down. We need a
contact , a mole, someone ON THE INSIDE, to provide us with effective
information we can use . Out of some 900 odd people ( and some of you are
odd) on this list someone must know somebody in the business, or we need to
get someone with influence to notice us, or get to know somoeone with
influence real dam quick. As Anne Pinzow pointed out the old methods of
fighting a battle have to change. We need to show the big boys that we lowly
consumers are not to be trifled with or ignored. Admittedly FK is not a major
cash cow for T/S and is a drop in the ocean of commerance but the idea behind
the campaign is the important matter. Due South was revived because fans made
CBS listen( and they desperately needed to win back lost audience) The
Commish , Cagney &Lacey , Alien Nation, are produced as 2 hour movies and do
well in the ratings because they are still viable.You want to scare a TV
executive, say this " I will never watch, buy or consume anything your
company produces"
Well enough rambling , I hope I made some sense.
A Mc Iremi@a.......
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 17:11:02 -0500
From: Rebecca Howle <JHHowle@a.......>
Subject: Re: JP's request
I have to say that yes I understand that people shouldn't call that number.
It was a mistake, but anyone with a Hollywood Creative Directory probably
could have gotten that number in 10 minutes, no problem.
I don't believe in calling anyone in C.A. from my earlier posts you probably
know why (refering to TPTB). But, do Write, Write, Write. The written word is
much stronger than any phone call. Letters add up, they take up space. Phone
calls don't.
Everyone got their pens ready?
R. Howle
Does dim allt heb oriwaered "There's no uphill without a downhill" (Welsh
Proverb)
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 16:28:46 -0600
From: Kayla Clark <katygale@i.......>
Subject: AAAAaaarrrrrggggghhh & I've Told HL-L and AG-L
I am so unbelievably !!#@#$%^%&* p****d!!! (I'm trying to remember that
this list is rated G). I can't *believe* that Jon F would be *so*
incredibly horribly unresponsive to the fan support of FK. Their lack of
Customer Service is tremendously insulting!
Honestly, I believe our next step *needs* to be a good old-fashioned sit-in
at Sony or TriStar. I'm broke and disabled, but I've got credit cards that
I could max out with an airplane ticket.
I'm angry and I feel powerless.
<very cold tone> *Not a place a Cousin stays for long without bloodshed*
I want to *KNOW* what the hell is going on!
Mr. Bennett could you get someone to post the real story to us? I realize
that you might jeopardize your future by doing so; but we really need to
know what is going on!! PLEASE!!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
BTW, I posted the basic info to the Highlander and American Gothic lists.
"Cousin" Kayla !~!~!~ katygale@i......., katygale@a.......
(Who is too angry/sad to be more civil than this)
| **"Forever Knight" HAS BEEN CANCELLED by TriStar.
| Please write your local station.
| (**See http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html)
"American Gothic" is also slated for cancellation. Please write CBS and
call your local station.
Duncan Flag Wavers International:
Head Flag Waver for (Duncan's) DDG's Posterior
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 17:42:26 -0500
From: Tippi Blevins <TippiNB@a.......>
Subject: Re: WCT's Update and sponsors
Well, remember how I was gonna tell everyone about the commercials that had
me ROTFL? Well, cute me, I didn't tape the commercials (I was short on tape
space) and my memory is a bit... woozy.
However, I do remember that there were a LOT of commercials for dentists, a
couple about "phone companionship", a soap that claimed it would make "your
skin come alive again!" (which made me laugh because I imagined Nat running
into Nick's loft with Brand X soap saying, 'I've found the cure, Nick, we've
really done it now! This soap will make your skin come alive again!'), and
some kitty litter commercials (like I said, vampires seem to like cats and
have bad teeth.)
My favorite was Visine's eyedrops commercial: "It gets the red out!" I
laughed till I cried thinking of all our recent discussions on vampires'
blood, sweat, and tears. I mean, maybe all they need's a bunch of
eyedrops...
Tee hee!
Wicked Cousin Tippi
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 14:51:57 -0800
From: Frisson <frisson@i.......>
Subject: Uncle Fonz
Patrick wrote:
>>1) Uncle as the Fonz and in a thong. I'm upset, because these two
>>images _merged_. I now have a mental image of Uncle wearing a leather
>>jack-et, thong, and nothing else, smacking a jukebox. Some things are
>>better left unimagined.
You mean things like Uncle in the above attire in his 'office' (the
bathroom at the Raven) taking out a comb and deciding against using it
with a big thumbs up and an "Aaaaayyyyyyy." You mean things like that?
<vbeg>
~~Diana
Cousin -- Mercenary -- Frisson@i.......
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 17:55:50 +0000
From: Karen Tobin <ktobin@t.......>
Subject: Re: WFXT again...
I talked to WFXT today. I decided to try something totally new with
them, since they were so rude when I called about asking for the show
at NATPE, etc. I pretended I knew NOTHING about and possibility of
cancellation. Just said there was this show I used to watch on WFXT and
I was having trouble finding it. When she asked what show, I
hesitated, giggled--yes giggled!!--and told her. And she (the same
voice that was rude to me last time I called...) was SO nice!
Ex[plained to me that the Saturday night showing, which is the repeat
showing, would sometimes be delayed or pre-empted due to hockey
games, but that this week, the repeat of Human Factor would be on
Saturday night at midnight, and that a new show would be broadcast on
Sunday at midnight.
Interesting. This could be a tactic to use with stations that don't
want to hear about the SOS thing. Posing as casual viewers who like
what they see!
In the meantime, I'm working on t-shirt ideas...
I Giggled to Save Forever Knight
I Played Dumb for Forever Knight
I Was Blonde for Forever Knight
The possibilities are ENDLESS.
Karen, Knightie/Heartbreaker/FFFROG ktobin@t......., KarenT1228@a.......)
Reference Librarian of the Save Forever Knight Campaign
Forever Knight has been cancelled. To help, email me
and/or visit: http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 18:02:05 +0000
From: Karen Tobin <ktobin@t.......>
Subject: Re: Sony Execs UPDATE (discard old list)
On 13 Feb 96 at 4:39, Karen Tobin (by way of Eliot wrote:
> This was the last listing from Karen; is the information still good?
>
To the best of my knowledge, yes. Rhys? Any updates?
Karen, Knightie/Heartbreaker/FFFROG ktobin@t......., KarenT1228@a.......)
Reference Librarian of the Save Forever Knight Campaign
Forever Knight has been cancelled. To help, email me
and/or visit: http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 18:18:30 -0500
From: Tippi Blevins <TippiNB@a.......>
Subject: Re: Melancholy Baby and thongs
Christy wrote:
>AHHHH!! That's not what I meant. I give up. I quit. You win. I am a
>disgrace as a Cousin. ::hangs head in abject shame:: I deserve to be
>lunch. Isn't there some sort of brainwashing program I can enter....you
>know, retrain me as a good cousin? I'm going to crawl back under my rock
No no no! Dear, please do *not* hang head in shame! Throw off your angst!
You'll turn into a Knightie if you're not careful. :) I don't know if
there's a brainwashing program, but try to watch A More Permanent Hell frame
by frame during the Uncle-in-bed-with-toga-on scene and keep repeating to
yourself: "My father doesn't wear a toga." Or something like that. :)
Alternate with phrases like: "Vampire familial ties are not like human
familial ties. It is OK to be desirous of your Uncle." :)
All better? I hope so!
Wicked Cousin Tippi
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 18:07:10 -0500
From: "Sharon A. Himmanen" <romana@p.......>
Subject: My FTP site update
In honor of Valentines Day I've uploaded some appropriate images to my FTP
site at:
members.aol.com/romana/
You might need to FTP to members.aol.com, then change directories to
/romana.
I have three folders set up: Immortal_Beloveds, NickNNatPackers, and
Valentines (these are case sensitive). In them are JPEGs of said couples,
some just of the two characters together (in otherwords not necessarily in
context), and some that are *definitely* in context.
Valentines, sorry there are so few--these were the only ones that I culled
from what I've got.
All these were images I already had for one reason or another--I didn't
have time to grab anything new.
Enjoy, and please give me feedback.
Oh, and there's a link to the FTP site on the NatPack page
(http://members.aol.com/romana/natpage_stuff/natpack.htm if you want to
visit).
Sharon
--
Sharon A. Himmanen * NatPacker * romana@p....... ***Game of gopher,
anyone? ***
Forever Knight has been *cancelled*! For more info on how to save it,
check out http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 18:11:25 -0500
From: "Sharon A. Himmanen" <romana@p.......>
Subject: FTP site addendum
Forgot to mention the image quality is a bit variable--some are a lot
better than others depending on the equipment I had available at the time.
--
Sharon A. Himmanen * NatPacker * romana@p....... ***Game of gopher,
anyone? ***
Forever Knight has been *cancelled*! For more info on how to save it,
check out http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 18:28:44 -0500
From: "Alora C. Chistiakoff" <acc0924@i.......>
Subject: Re: JP's request
> The fact that Feltheimer's secretary does not know how to do her/him job
> is not our problem. Once the information to available we would be fools
> not to use it--believe me if Feltheimer had some inside info he would not
> stop to think about it.
No doubt, but, what I didn't think about when I posted his private
number is that pissing him off at this point is nothing more than
shooting ourselves in the foot.
Yes, he has lied to us. Yes, he has bullied us. Ans you bet you ***, I am
fit to be tied, but completely alienating him *now* will only give him
the legitimate chance to do what he has wonted to all along: Dismiss us
entirely.
Not only that, you can bet if JP is hearing about it from Feltheimer, it
is making an already horrible situation worse. I think JP is right, that
number was not one of my best moves. But JP's request was only that we
not pester Feltheimer personally...and since we *do* want something from
that duplicitous snake, it would be a pretty good idea if we took JP's
suggestion.
Sorry all, I'm remember to be more careful in the future.
Alora...a Natpacker who wants to be alone in a room with Feltheimer and a
stake!
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 18:43:11 -0500
From: Siona <siona@n.......>
Subject: T-Shirts
Well, I sent out some t-shirts today. They went to Kay K., Jon F., Rod
P., Bonnie H. and John Klien at KYW in Philly. I'd like to send one to
Fred Mollin and Mr. Parriott (sp?) but I'm not sure where to send them. If
someone can help with that I'd most appreciate it.
These t-shirts have on them what was on the NATPE bags. They are white
t-shirts (Fruit of the Loom Best, 50% cotton, 50% polyester, and are all
XL.) There are no graphics. In red letters they say:
FOREVER
KNIGHT
Remarkable television
brings
remarkable results!
I am offering these shirts to the list. I'm not doing this to make any
profit, just cover some of my costs. What I am asking for 1 shirt will
not cover the cost or postage for any that I have or will send. I'm
asking $5.00 per shirt and $3.00 shipping. I will provide (or rather the
post office will provide) the bags to mail them in. If I send them
priority I can use the priority bags at no charge. The $3.00 shipping
will cover up to three shirts, i.e. 1 shirt would be $8.00, 2 would be
$13.00 and 3 wouldbe $18.00. If there is any profit made from these
shirts I will turn that profit over to the NATPE/EM fund. (I really want
you guys to know that I'm not doing this for the money.) This price is
also good for shipping to Canada. The post office will guarantee priority
delivery to Canada, but once it's there they can't guarantee how fast it
will be delievered to you.
If you are interested in a shirt please e-mail me privately and I will
tell you where to send you check or money order. If you already e-mailed
me when I posted that I was thinking about this you don't have to do it
again.
I'd really like to be a fly in the office when some of these people see
their shirts.
--
Siona@n.......
Knightie!
Help save Forever Knight! see http://www.netaxs.com/~siona/
"Murphy was an optimist!"
Lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine.
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 18:45:35 -0500
From: "Alora C. Chistiakoff" <acc0924@i.......>
Subject: Re: SOSFK Campaign
Something important to think about, guys: Up until this point we *have*
been dealing with Filth-eimer like a human being. But now, he has proven
himself incapable of behaving in a similar manner, which leaves us no
other choice: GO OVER HIS HEAD!
Sony, everyone, Sony. The more noise we make at them, the more preasue
that pissant will be under to appease us...hopefully.
It's the best shot we've got!
Alora...I think I am going to write a fan-fic in which I feed Feltheimer
to Screed, he is after all, Screed's "type."
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 19:05:49 -0500
From: Leah Rosenthal <Bizarro7@a.......>
Subject: Re: No Subject
In a message dated 96-02-12 08:35:57 EST, Teresa writes::
>
>After writing all this, I'm wondering: If a vampire is not human, why would
>the laws for humans apply? If Nick becomes human again, can he be held
>responsible for murders committed during his vampire days? Should he turn
>himself in to the police for a judge and jury to decide that? Would it be
>Nat's legal obligation to turn him in? And the main question: If you were a
>jurist, how would you decide? (Forgive me, please, but can a rich, handsome
>man get away with murder in today's *civilized* society? ;-))
>
Despite being a cop, Nick apparently isn't concerned whether or not the Law
would regard his previous feeding on humans as technical "murder". Nick
himself obviously regards it as murder of his fellow man/woman, and he has
come to see these mortals as victims, not survival fare (as LaCroix would
have it). They interact with him, and he cares for them, and the
circumstances of their death causes him pain and guilt. LaCroix knew that
the scope of that unrelenting guilt is not good for Nick's mental health (in
CURIOUSER & CURIOUSER) and a kinder, gentler vampire is likely to become
nuttier than a fruitcake. Nick is acting as his own judge and jury, and
whether his near-death revelations are the product of his own conscience or
based on theological reality, he is already guilty, condemned and sentenced
to penance.
Also, I must agree with Sandra Grey; if LaCroix regards humans 'exclusively'
as food, why would he occasionallly bring anyone across? We don't fall for a
particularly good-looking steak and make it our lifelong companion, after
all...
Leah
>
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 19:34:10 -0500
From: Lynn McAlpine <Chatelyne@a.......>
Subject: I'm mad as h***, but I'm gonna take it a bit longer
People, people. This is a business to TriStar. Not a personal vendetta. We've
got to convince them or their owners that continuing/selling FK is a *sound
financial move*. And we can only do that thru continued attention to
increasing ratings, contacting syndies, contacting sponsors. Nobody is gonna
produce Forever Knight episodes to shut us up. There's no money in it. Quite
the contrary. Please channel all that energy to something positive *right
now.* Remember, "The pen is mightier than the sword." (Heck no I can't
remember who said it right now. I'm too upset. I really just want to let out
a Janette-style death scream).
That said, be sure to check out the revised SaveFK page today. This is the
way to *properly* stir up trouble. :::evil grin:::
Lynn
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Chatelyne@a....... (AOL-member-for-life)
SAVE FOREVER KNIGHT. For info see:
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 19:39:53 -0500
From: Lynn McAlpine <Chatelyne@a.......>
Subject: Drat! Spoiler in "I'm mad as H***, . . ."
Please don't read my post "'m mad as H***, but I'm gonna take it a bit
longer" if you haven't seen The Human Factor. If you want the gist of it,
without the spoiler, contact me privately.
To anyone who read it and was spoiled (if there is anyone left to BE spoiled)
please forgive me for this transgression. I'm not even gonna make an excuse.
I should know better.
Lynn
***********************************
Chatelyne@a....... (AOL-member-for-life)
SAVE FOREVER KNIGHT. For info see:
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 19:03:19 -0600
From: Christy Tucker <ctucker@m.......>
Subject: Re: Melancholy Baby and thongs
At 06:18 PM 2/13/96 -0500, Tippi Blevins wrote:
>No no no! Dear, please do *not* hang head in shame! Throw off your angst!
> You'll turn into a Knightie if you're not careful. :)
Oh dear, I did sound like a Knightie, didn't I? This IS bad.
I don't know if
>there's a brainwashing program, but try to watch A More Permanent Hell frame
>by frame during the Uncle-in-bed-with-toga-on scene and keep repeating to
>yourself: "My father doesn't wear a toga."
Wait, now, I happened to like Uncle in a toga. The toga was good.
Now let me see if I have that episode on tape.....
Cousin Christy
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^
ctucker@m.......
"are you hurt, madam?"
"no sir, i am dead."
"that is serious. may i help?"
-Orlando
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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 12:25:53 +1000
From: Lisa Sutherland-Fraser <lfraser@p.......>
Subject: Getting more FK
Hi Gang
It is very disheartening to see the s*** we have to wade through to
get what we want. It seems there is barrier upon barrier (or litre upon
litre of it) standing in our way. Yes we all have a right to be p***** off
and angry, its good to feel injustice at what the powers that be will do
with our show.
How do we change things? We can still feel angry, but how about we
all visualise the change we want to occur? Instead of focusing on the
depressing news we have received, how about we think of the opposite,
like seeing more of FK - four, five, six seasons with movies, videos and
merchandise to follow.
Yeah I know I'm sounding like a space cadet to some, but truly we need
to turn our anger and rage at the injustice of what is happening to the show
into positive power to see what the future will be for all of us. Just use
those minds and hearts of all of you and I know there's a lot of you out
there. Imagine the power we all could have by using our energy to
visualise what we want.
You can flame me if you like, but I know how I'll be working on things
and no it doesn't mean halting the letters and phone calls and stuff, keep
those coming, they are the backbone of the work we all have ahead of
us.
Keep the vibes going, we will get what we want in the end if we want it
strong enough. Just a note to say that I think you are all fantastic with all
the effort of, blood, sweat and tears and $$$ you have given to keep the
crusade going, big sloppy bites to all of you.
L
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 20:34:20 EST
From: TORREY L HARRIS <SSZK27A@p.......>
Subject: Re: Introductions are in order...
Cherri writes:
>Hi Toni,
> Uncle wants you.
> Become a Cousin
Ah, but Uncle wants us all. Some of us he will never have to kick
around! <VBG> Be strong and proud Toni the Vaqueros are for you. Plus
you wont have to sleep with one eye open during the next war <EG>.
Torrey
*Vaquera*
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 20:47:40 -0500
From: Debra Szumlinski <Szumlinski@a.......>
Subject: Re: Boston area/Games Vampires Play
I also have a decent copy of Games Vampires Play and two VCRs. If anyone else
still needs a copy.
Debra
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 22:08:07 -0500
From: Cyberspace Vanguard Magazine <vanguard@p.......>
Subject: Re: Getting more FK
>Yeah I know I'm sounding like a space cadet to some, but truly we need
...
>those minds and hearts of all of you and I know there's a lot of you out
>there. Imagine the power we all could have by using our energy to
>visualise what we want.
I don't think you're a space cadet. I was just thinking about this today.
Positive visualization, folks. Put it out into the universe and let it
come back to you!
---- TJ
Cyberspace Vanguard Magazine: News of the Science Fiction Universe
http://www.cybervanguard.com
Come visit us, or write us at vanguard@p....... for sponsorship info
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 21:04:35 -0500
From: Jon Saul <josaul@v.......>
Subject: Off topic: Latin sig line
>Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat!
Kat, what is a "Tintinnuntius"? My dictionary doesn't have it... I know
what a "tintinnabulum" is, is that what you mean?
Jon, the picky Latin scholar
josaul@v.......
Use a signature: a blank line is a terrible thing to waste.
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 21:06:57 -0500
From: Bobbie Williams <UserKnight@a.......>
Subject: FK cancellation
Well, I guess we've all got our own theories about this fiasco. Quite
frankly, I've suspected all along that something fishy was going on but I've
never voiced my opinion as I didn't want to p**s off TPTB. Well, to h**l
with them. Now I'm p****d!!! I've believed all along that selling the
show to USA was just a ploy to keep USA happy so that they'd show FK in
reruns on the Sci-Fi channel (what else could explain why they sold the show
in syndication AND to USA???) Why else would they refuse to sell the show to
a third party? This way, TriStar will continue to get revenue from a show
they no longer have to pay to produce and USA and the Sci-Fi channel will
make out in the long run with advertising revenue. It was all a smoke
screen, folks!! I hope like h**l that all of the FK cast win their
respective Gemini awards and thumb their noses at the TriStar and USA.
On a calmer note, I don't think now is the time to write angry letters to
TriStar if there is still a hope of doing future movies. A little FK is
better than no FK. I still believe letters are necessary (I'm getting my pen
out), but we should still be as respectful as possible (I know it'll be
difficult!).
Just my two cents,
Forever a Knightie (and loving it)
Bobbie (UserKnight@a.......)
"Out of the spirit, into the flesh/The animal heartbeat in the chest
The naked desire/The appetite/But you remember the light"
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 19:12:03 -0700
From: Samurai Knight <satori@m.......>
Subject: Ger Article
FYI, a friend just passed along to me that the SciFi Universe Magazine,
March 1996 issue, has an FK article with Ger.
Falcon Storm: Historian: DFW International
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"I don't want a new one, I like *that* one!" LaCroix
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@ Vaquera/Cousine/Knightie - Forever Knight
<<<<<@{}======================>>>
@ satori@m.......
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 19:02:56 -0800
From: Ted Atkinson <llacroix@i.......>
Subject: TriStar made a really ignorant decision
I'm not giving up. I hope the rest of you aren't either.
Can somebody please post the fax number for TriStar? Heck, post USA's
while your at it -- I'd like to express my "gratitude" to them as well.
Virtual hugs and/or handshakes to everyone involved with the SOS effort.
I would also like to flick a virtual booger at those involved with the
cancellation.
Ted Atkinson Cousin
llacroix@i.......
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 21:21:42 -0500
From: Liz VanderHam <EVDH@a.......>
Subject: VAMPIRE CHAT
Hey Everybody
There's a vampire chat in Omni Commons right now, as we speak.
Come on and join us!!
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 21:26:37 -0500
From: Tippi Blevins <TippiNB@a.......>
Subject: <No subject given>
I just finished the last chapter on my novel and I'm taking a road trip
covering the same territory (Dallas to Houston along I-45) as one of my
characters. The thing is, I need to know what day and time and channel FK is
on not this weekend, but NEXT weekend. If it's on during the weekend at all.
I dunno. I'm spending the night in a hotel somewhere in Dallas on Feb 23
(Fri) but if anyone's having a FK party up there let me know via private
email. ;)
WCT
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 21:26:36 -0500
From: Tippi Blevins <TippiNB@a.......>
Subject: Re: Melancholy Baby and thongs
Christy wrote:
>Wait, now, I happened to like Uncle in a toga. The toga was good.
>Now let me see if I have that episode on tape.....
Good girl. :) You're on your way to redemption! Welcome to the fold,
Cousin.
WCT
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 20:38:47 -0600
From: Fire And Life Incarnate <NSHEA4371@a.......>
Subject: FK on USA
Date sent: 13-FEB-1996 20:36:23
I know that FK is on USA Thurs. night at midnight, but doesn't it come
on again on another night? USA is the only channel here that it comes
on.
Thanks bunches!
Dark Phoenix
DARK PHOENIX <<--->> Amy Head <--> NSHEA4371@a.......
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 19:47:29 -0700
From: Samurai Knight <satori@m.......>
Subject: Re: Taming GWD
I want to <sniff> go to Toronto <sniff sniff>. I'm in <hiccup>Montana...
BTW, I hate Tri-Star. (see SOS Important Information).
Falcon Storm
Vaquera/Cousine/Knightie
"I don't want a new one, I like *that* one"
satori@m.......
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 22:01:22 -0500
From: Rebecca Howle <JHHowle@a.......>
Subject: Re: Taming GWD
I know that people from certain states are organizing road trips. Can
everyone that is doing that or involved in it please post info regarding it
to the list. It seems that there are people out there who would like to go
but don't know of anyone in their state or region that is going. So please
POST!!!
Getting ready for Taming in Toronto
R. Howle
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 22:05:40 -0500
From: Michelle Mark <Raindance2@a.......>
Subject: VD in Toronto
or.."What our Favorite Vamps are Doing for Valentine's Day":
Nick: Is at the florists having a brain cramp over what to write on Nat's
card..."Nat-you have no idea how very much I....*care*....Damn! Used that one
last year!"
LaCroix- Is sulking at CERK HQ under a dim red light, after having just bit
the heads off of a dozen white roses.
Vachon-Is <blink> plucking a wistful melody <blink> on his guitar <blink>
alone in the church.
Urs- In her usual state of confusion..."What day is it?"
and we can't forget the mortals.......
Tracy-Is tying a pretty pink bow on that left over pint of blood from "Fever"
and is headed out to the church. What a romantic, that Tracy....
Nat-She's had it!!! Its now or never. Cleverly disguised, she leaves the
sex shop, with handcuffs and chocolate body paint clutched tightly under her
arm. No silver pill box *this* year!
Capt. Reese-Opens a box of choclates, has a flashback and is taken away in a
straightjacket mumbling something sounding remotely like "Voodoo".
Well, have a Happy V.D. everyone!
Cousin Michelle
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 19:06:28 -0800
From: Denise Underwood <ithildin@i.......>
Subject: Monterey Bay Fans?
I'm hoping that some of you out there might be residents of the
Monterey Bay area, or you know FK fans who are. I'd like to get in
contact and see about pooling/coordinating our efforts to save "Forever
Knight", especially in regards to our local carrier KSBW/NBC.I would
also like to know if any of you have received any sort of response from
KSBW, I have not. It would sure be good for my morale to know there are
others around here, especially after yesterdays very depressing news.
E mail me privately at: ithildin@i....... if you are interested, I
am hoping some fresh perspective on all this will help our efforts.
Thanks, Denise. Ravenette with Cousinly leanings!
*No good deed goes unpunished.*
ithildin@i.......
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 19:07:04 -0800
From: Cherri and Mary <cdmunoz@e.......>
Subject: Re: Introductions are in order...
>>Hi Toni, Uncle wants you. Become a Cousin
> Ah, but Uncle wants us all. Some of us he will never have to kick
>around! <VBG> Be strong and proud Toni the Vaqueros are for you. Plus
>you wont have to sleep with one eye open during the next war <EG>.
Oh Toni, After what you did to me in war five, you'd better not sleep at
all during war seven.
"Cousin Cherri Munoz" <cdmunoz@e.......> FK Optimist's Club, Sime/Gen
I don't WANT a new one. I LIKE that one. <LaCroix-Father's Day>
Save FOREVER KNIGHT! NATPE Strikeforce Survivor
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 21:16:57 -0500
From: Loose Cannon <LoosCanN@a.......>
Subject: Re: Murder
Leah Rosenthal writes:
>Also, I must agree with Sandra Grey; if LaCroix regards humans 'exclusively'
>as food, why would he occasionallly bring anyone across? We don't fall for a
>particularly good-looking steak and make it our lifelong companion, after
>all...
This is a pretty convoluted subject, ie, when a vampire kills a human, is it
murder. I can't believe Nick is the only vampire that has questions and
doubts on the subject. After all, most, if not all vampires had people that
they loved before they were brought over. However, in order to survive (at
least before the advent of blood sources like the Raven), it was necessary to
for them to, in effect, "dehumanize" humans, in the same way that humans do
when they feel the need to kill someone. We make them non-human in our
minds, calling them "gooks", "huns", "pinkos", etc. They cease to be truly
human in our minds. In order to protect themselves from guilt and remorse, a
vampire must think of humans as "cattle".
LaCroix, given his background and basic personallity, probably even before he
was a vampire, already had a mental seperation with the rest of humanity.
They were slaves, to be used as he pleased, they were soldiers, to send to
whatever death his plans required. The plebes were a scorned, bloodthirsty
mob, to be appeased with "bread and circuses". Women were a lesser form of
human anyway. Fellow patricians were pieces to be moved about on the chess
board of his ambition. Even his family, legally, were basically his
property. People, as far as LaCroix was concerned, were to be used, killed
and discarded even before he became a vampire. Humans had always been
"cattle" to him. Having to kill them to eat, to survive, probably wasn't
that great a wrench for him.
A human must be exceptional in some way, stand out from the herd, as it were,
in order to break through this defensive mechanism a vampire creates in order
to survive. How they look, what they do, something, must intrigue a vampire
long enough for them to decide that this human is special somehow, and
deserves to become a real person, a vampire.
As a human, LaCroix found some people interesting enough to get close to. I
doubt he considered them his equals, but they were entertaining. He may even
have loved them in his own possessive, controlling way. As his attitude
toward humans hasn't changed all that much since he was brought over, even
LaCroix is going to find an occasional human interesting enough to bring
over, to become his family, his property.
Humans have an advantage over cows. They look like their predators. Humans
sing, dance, speak, can inspire lust and love. There *is* a strong, albeit
sub-conscious connection. Vampires *know* humans are "human". They were one
once. It depends on the individual vampire how much this means to him or
her. To LaCroix, it's practically meaningless. To Nick, it means a great
deal.
And while humans may be cattle to LaCroix, occasionally one rears up on its
hind legs and makes itself noticed.
Leslie GrantSmith
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 22:21:44 -0500
From: "Alora C. Chistiakoff" <acc0924@i.......>
Subject: I Need FK Stats, Please!
Ok, my sister, Kira, is going to see one of the managers of the local
station that runs FK in the SF North Bay (KFTY-TV50 in Santa Rosa). He
used to be her boss when she worked the cameras for the news casts so she
has a pretty go "in" with him, in terms of insurring that he will listen
and be honest about what he will or won't do about it.
Now, even though the station doesn't have the best relationship with
TriStar either (are we sensing a pattern here?) he might be able to do
*something.* What Kira needs though is info. Specific, concrete info.
More than just the standard "1.7" that TriStar and USA used as their cop
out. Does anyone have a break down of the viewer demographics or anything
else that sounds nice and professional.
Not only that, what, specifically should be her goal here? I mean she
will obviously be trying to get the station to go to TriStar and impress
upon them how much they want a fourth season, but what about over and above
that? I'm not sure this would necessarily count as a press contact, but
it's worth a shot.
And yes, I will make sure she gives him the address for jamie's web page.
Any suggestions e-mail me ASAP! She will be heading over to see him (I
can't remember his name) tomorrow evening...Thanks
Alora...who's reconsidered, Screed's got better taste than to go even
consider Feltheimer.
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 21:22:58 -0600
From: Brian Waichunas <lomaz@r.......>
Subject: VISIONS
I am trying to contact those people I met at the last Visions
convention in Chicago. At one time, I believe I maintained
a partial correspondence with the one young lady
who had, I believe procured the room so that us fans
can meet and enjoy LaCroix pestering Nick in the episode
the Son of Belia. But due to stress and school, I have been unable
to find any trace of the e-mail
address of that person or any other person or persons I spoke to.
Now that Forever Knight is in the early stages of being cancelled,
I wish ever more to discuss my ideas concerning the continuance of this
show with them. I thank you for giving me that portion of your life
to read these lines. But I am afraid that I must leave you with only
a valentine kiss if your a young lady, and nothing if your a guy!
lomaz@r.......
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 22:36:00 EST
From: Maryann Jorgensen <majorge@i.......>
Subject: Why not sell?
I'm not sure what assinine reason that they would have to not sell the show,
but I bet it has something to do with being able to use a "failed" show as
some kind of tax writeoff or something like that. Somebody really has it in
for this show!
Maryann Jorgensen majorge@i.......
* Knightie, Natpacker , N&Ner, Paris-ite, Janewayan *
***********************************************************************
And I have a life ... really ... it involves blond gorgeous men and art pencils.
I'm a Knightie, I can rationalize anything. -Perri Smith's Arlington Quote List
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 22:36:57 -0500
From: "Alora C. Chistiakoff" <acc0924@i.......>
Subject: YKYB...
You know you've been watching too much Forever Knight when...
Your creative writing instructor assigns two short stories: Heart of
Darkness and The Strings, and you start laughing out loud in class while
everyone looks at you like you are nuts...and then you go home and see
posters up everywhere for the Anti-Valentine's Day Party in the dorms and
you chuckle at the first poster which reads: "Be My Valentine" (after
all, hardly original, but amusing after class) and then stop & do a double
take at the next one, which says: "Only the Lonely"...and all you can
think is that you are either on Candid Camera, or you *really have*
slipped into the "FK universe"!
Alora...who is compiling a list of cruel and painful things I would like
to do to some pompous TV execs...any suggestions? (E-mail me privately)
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