There are 36 messages totalling 1010 lines in this issue. Topics in this special issue: 1. More lists/silly stuff 2. TV Stations 3. One more spine-tingling topic (5) 4. Never mind ... 5. What, not clewed in YET? (4) 6. Predators and the Blood Supply 7. Nick and Mortality 8. Half Vampires??? 9. AOL stuff 10. poor moping Nicola... (2) 11. &%$@#* USA operator 12. VIDCON minireport 13. taping FK 14. it's a serious discussion! :) 15. A topic other than butts and calendars 16. New Topic--last 3rd season ep 17. Nick & Nat & New Topic 18. There can't be more lists (2) 19. Unsubscribe me please (2) 20. New Lists...the Perfect List...the..... 21. Without a Clew 22. Evolution 23. Show status (need help!) 24. YKYB... 25. Herald article: whoomp! Here it is. 26. Vampires : Predators or Monsters ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 20:12:43 EST From: MS GILLIAN A ELDRIDGE <VRKP26B@p.......> Subject: More lists/silly stuff I'm fairly new to the list and I also don't have time to read every post, but guess what? I don't. If it doesn't interest me, I skip it. Sometimes I want to read the silly stuff, sometimes the serious discussions, sometimes both and, to be honest, sometimes neither. And the beauty of one list is that I can do just that. Apart from anything else, if we keep adding more lists, how on earth will everyone keep straight which list they should be replying to? Jill Eldridge (g.eldridge1@g.......) Come to EASTLEAP: http://pages.prodigy.com/NJ/gae/qlelmain.html Help save Forever Knight. For more information see: http: //members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 20:29:45 -0500 From: Annmarie McKee-Fitzgerald <mickey@c.......> Subject: TV Stations Hi, As a favor to me, when you post about your TV station,please tell us where its at,not just a channel number. And if you have the address,phone number or contact person. Each night when I go through the list I take out any posts where someone has posted a cry for help or a cheer of praise and pass this on to the people who are not on this list, just as others are doing. Ken888888 has been keeping the Compuserve people updated and Susan has been doing that over on GEnie and Laura on Prodigy. We attempt to reach as many people as possible,the more that know,the better off we are! We also have a snail mail loop and another mailing that goes out. Thanks! FOREVER KNIGHT needs YOUR HELP! Visit the Save Forever Knight Homepage for more information http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html WRITE to YOUR LOCAL AFFILIATE! Your letter counts LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD! Send letters to TriStar and to USA E-mail me or visit the homepage! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 20:25:22 -0500 From: Jamie Melody Randell <immajer@p.......> Subject: Re: One more spine-tingling topic On Feb 06, 1996 18:39:31, 'Allison Percy <percy91@w.......>' wrote: >Knighties: The beast within is my fault, and I'm damned for having one. >Vaqueras/os: The beast within is getting my hair all tangled. >FoDs: The beast within is hungry for souvlaki. Allie, this is AWESOME! I have a definition; just need a faction to go with it... suggestions? "The beast within is warm and fuzzy!" -- KEEP THE FAITH! -- Jamie M.R. -- The Illustrated C.O.U.S.I.N. NatPack -- Mercenary -- SFK WebGoddess -- Asst. Listowner http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/immajer/ THIS IS WAR #6. And this time, it's personal. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 21:58:46 -0500 From: Cyberspace Vanguard Magazine <vanguard@p.......> Subject: Never mind ... OK, I've found the list of stations. Sorry to waste the bandwidth ... ---- TJ Cyberspace Vanguard Magazine: News of the Science Fiction Universe http://www.cybervanguard.com Come visit us, or write us at vanguard@p....... for sponsorship info ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 21:00:35 -0500 From: Lane Lombardia <longpath@d.......> Subject: Re: What, not clewed in YET? The Escalation of force went something like this: >>>*snick, snick, snick* (the sound of a blade being sharpened) >>Are you offering a bit of sword play? I'm looking for a new partner. My >>old partners haven't quite healed completely. -and- >Swordplay is for Knighties. I am a Cousine. I'm sharpening a *shiv*.... As anyone can attest, using your own weaponry is so passe. Why be an amateur, when you can hire a professional? *A Reminder from your Local Mercenary Guild* [Interested in Joining? Contact Lane at: longpath@d.......] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 21:03:43 -0500 From: Lynn McAlpine <Chatelyne@a.......> Subject: Re: Predators and the Blood Supply Wicked Cousin Tippi asks: <Where does LC get those bottles of human blood?> Yes, I want to know the answer to this, too. Plus, do we know whether or not *any* of our vamps still kill humans on a regular basis, for blood? Was this subject addressed in the first season (which I've yet to see)? Lynn Chatelyne@a....... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 21:06:12 -0500 From: Jane Snyder <janes@i.......> Subject: Nick and Mortality At 02:05 PM 2/6/96 -0500, Jamie Melody Randell wrote: >He only THINKS he wants to be mortal. What Nick really wants is >redemption. He believes that mortality is a necessary ingredient toward >redemption; but if he could be 'redeemed' without losing his powers or his >eternal life, well, that'd be a totally different story. Absolutely. However, I also think that Nick is suffering from the "Grass is Greener on the Other Side" syndrome. We don't really know why Nick chose to become a vampire. There had to be more to his decision than just a yen to get into Janette's drawers. IMHO, at least part of his decision was from a desire to be immortal, to be powerful, to be stronger than mere mortals. Okay, so after a few hundred years of happy vampire-hood, Nick begins to realize what he lost by becoming a vampire: having children, romping in the sunlight, his soul, etc. All of a sudden, being mortal doesn't seem so bad after all. And if he and Nat accomplish the impossible, and Nick regains his mortality, I do not believe that he will be happy for more than a few years. Eventually, Nick will tire of being mortal, the glow of being able to walk in the sunshine will start to dim, and he'll begin to long for the old days when he could fly through the air, hypnotize most people into doing what he wanted, go anywhere and do anything just because he was a vampire. All of a sudden, being a vampire doesn't seem so bad after all. None of which means I don't think that Nick wants to redeem his soul. I believe that Nick craves the thought of forgiveness for his "evil" ways. I just think that there's more to his desire to be mortal than just a need for redemption. Jane (janes@i.......) Die Hard ** Immortal Beloved ** Optimists Club ** FFFROGie Writing is easy -- just stare at the page until your forehead bleeds (G. Horvath) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 21:07:26 -0500 From: Lisa Anne Prince <Moonlight@g.......> Subject: Re: One more spine-tingling topic Well, you did say you wanted to talk about other things, so I'm coming off basically lurk mode to add my VHO to this thread. >Correct me if I'm wrong, but I get the impression that Cousins >believe all humans have a "beast within," and that the beast is >something to celebrate. I would have to say that this may be correct on some levels, but is off the mark for me. When I look at LaCroix, I don't see a vampire who celebrates the beast within, rather I see a vampire who accepts his nature (beast and all). For me, LaCroix represents the acceptance of self -- the acknowledgement that there are multiple facets to an individual and those are what make him/her different and special. He is strong, confident and self-aware. I find these rather admirable traits. LaCroix is not evil. He is not good. He is simply LaCroix and that is, in fact, all he should be. In contrast, Nick reacts against his nature and by doing so creates self-hatred. He can never hope to attain happiness with himself or with Natalie while he continues to reject the vampire part of himself. LaCroix said it best in BMV, when he tells Natalie that the vampire in Nick might be the part of him that she adores most. It is the hatred of the vampire that has created the Nick that Natalie knows. If the challenge to be human were gone, IMO Nick would change so significantly that Natalie would no longer even know Nick. Technically, it is the beast within Nick that attracts her. Would she be willing to put up with so much angsty garbage from a normal man? Whether or not one views Nick's quest for humanity as a good thing, by rejecting the *beast* portion of himself instead of attempting to accept it as part and parcel of who he is and learn to live with it, he reveals himself to be, IMO, a relatively, weak character. Lisa Prince -- the Befuddled Cousin Please make checks payable to the Pediatric AIDS Foundation Send to: Lisa Prince, PAF "Forever Knight" Group Charity, [Address removed] Rage, my friends, rage against the dying of the Knight ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 19:34:17 -0800 From: Bonnie Pardoe <bonnie@o.......> Subject: Re: What, not clewed in YET? >>>*snick, snick, snick* (the sound of a blade being sharpened) >>Are you offering a bit of sword play? I'm looking for a new partner. My >>old partners haven't quite healed completely. > >Swordplay is for Knighties. I am a Cousine. I'm sharpening a *shiv*.... My, my, my, dear Cousin Celeste. Just a bit defensive, aren't we? A shiv? I suppose this is the source of our word "shiver." Well, I'm NOT. Sword play does not begin or end with the art of using a three foot steel blade. I see your shiv and raise you a cuchillo. Bonnela de las Vaqueras (bonnie@o.......) "There is no honor in life without death. But what does a Cousin know of honor." -- R.I.P. Forever Knight FOREVER! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 21:22:15 -0500 From: Lisa Anne Prince <Moonlight@g.......> Subject: Re: Half Vampires??? Hey, Hey Again :) >>In the FK world, could there be a creature ... half vampire/half >>human There were those women from the first season episode, "If Looks Could Kill" (I think that's the title). Not sure if you would consider them half vampire. They were given injections of vampire blood in order to stay young, but didn't seem to have any of the blood lust or powers of full vampires. They were, of course, slightly psychotic, violent, and tightly wound when kept from they're daily dosage of vampire blood. Lisa Prince -- the Befuddled Cousin Please make checks payable to the Pediatric AIDS Foundation Send to: Lisa Prince, PAF "Forever Knight" Group Charity, 360 Connecticut Avenue, Suite 133, Norwalk, CT 06854-1824 Rage, my friends, rage against the dying of the Knight ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 15:09:00 EST From: Maria Montalvo <maria@m.......> Subject: AOL stuff Sorry, but this is not FK-related. My sister is an AOL newbie, and has some questions. I'm not on AOL, and don't use Windows, so I'm "no help". Is someone out there willing to answer some questions for her? Thanks Maria maria@m....... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 21:35:12 -0500 From: Michelle Mark <Raindance2@a.......> Subject: poor moping Nicola... <but if he becomes mortal, he will not only be rid of the "evil" <within himself, but also of the powers that enable him to do more "good" <than any human can possibly do . . .) My thoughts exactly. Nick wants to "repay society for his sins." Dosen't he realize that he can do so much more good for the human race as a vampire than he ever could as a human??? If all cops were vampires we'd have a hell of a low crime rate dont you think? Nick just dosen't realize that vampires can be good and at the same time true to their nature. I think Nick would tire of mortality rather quickly. Sure, he'd do fun "human" things, but after awhile he would miss the excitement of being a vampire. Uncle would make sure of it. As for Nick and Nat....I like Nat, I like Nick, I do not like Nick and Nat together. After 3 years they have become tiresome. There were more sparks flying between LC/Nat in BMV in that ONE scene (restaurant), then there have been between Nick and Nat for 3 years!!!! I was hoping LC would just throw her down on the table, the poor woman needs a little...well, you know. Nick has had his share of great licking scenes but none of them with Nat. He's really quite the slut, in fact, a walking hormone. Oh, don't get me started! ^v^Michelle Cousin/Valentine/not gonna mention anyones butt, anymore.... ;) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 22:23:38 -0500 From: A McLaughlin <Iremi@a.......> Subject: &%$@#* USA operator Boy I'm glad to know it wasn't my deoderant or what when I called USA. The operator I got was unbelieveable RUDE. I thought maybe it was my insistant tone that bothered her but that was one mean bitch. I certainly will be calling the Human Resource Dept. as Bonnie Pardoe did. If this the corporate attitude of USA then forget it. I have no reason to watch a network that treats it's customers like that. BTW has anyone noticed Ger's sideburns are getting longer I noticed this in DoN and in Games.? Hmmmm. A Mc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 22:32:00 EST From: Maryann Jorgensen <majorge@i.......> Subject: VIDCON minireport I promised I would post something about Vidcon. So this is it. There were zines, zines, and more zines. There were zines from shows that I never even heard of. So I came, I saw, I bought(and bought, and bought). They had some good panels ranging from Voyager - that ended up being a discussion on Trek in general to a Writers' Workshop. They also had a panel on Forever Knight. Flyers were put out and a number of people took more than 1. We sat around and talked about the show in general, and how people felt about the changes, and possible cancellation of the series. Surprisingly alot present knew of the show from its 3rd season. Differences between the Canadian and American 1st seasons were discussed. The panels were presented in the con suit. The setup of people sitting around on couches and chairs rather than a room with seats lined up in front of a table with moderators made for a very open and comfortable atmosphere. Well I'm not to good at writing these kind of things so I'll shut up now. OBLIGITORY BUTT comment: As a Knightie I feel it is my duty to look for gratutious butt shots of one Nicholas de Brabant and shots of Ger without his shirt. Sorry cousins Nothin' else can compare.(running for cover while ducking a hail of Q-tips *heh, heh, heh*) Maryann Jorgensen majorge@i....... * Knightie, Natpacker , N&Ner * *********************************************************************** Nat: "Look, I know you're a figment of my imagination, but you have to stop sneaking up on me!" "I'm not a detective in here. Here, I'm a vampire. You may call me Nicholas de Brabant." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 19:37:00 -0800 From: Lisa Luksus <tokaara@i.......> Subject: taping FK Okay, I'll continue taking requests until Friday. (I have to stop sometime, you know.) I'm saving all the e-mails I get (I've even made a separate mailbox in Eudora for them). Over the weekend, I will do a mass mailing to everyone who's contacted me concerning tape & postage costs. I just can't find the time to do individual replies to everyone right now. Boy oh boy...what did I get myself into? Ah well, between all the tapings, I'll re-watch all the past seasons' episodes. Some of the best friends I've made on-line have been people I've dubbed tapes for; who knows, it could happen again. This doesn't sound very cousin-ly, does it? Maybe I'm a closet Knightie or something. Cousin Tok tokaara@a....... or tokaara@i....... Do not go gentle into that good Knight! Check out: http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 22:37:18 -0500 From: Tippi Blevins <TippiNB@a.......> Subject: it's a serious discussion! :) Sachs wrote: >How do you figure that? I also should point out that evolution only occurs through >generations of entire species not individuals. Certainly, if we're speaking strictly of Darwinian concepts of natural selection. As I explained to someone else, I am an anthropologist -- I know about evolution. (They make us take a test on it before we can go dig in the dirt. ;) ) However, if you want to get really nitpicky, evolution can happen in *one* generation: Consider the white moths that one year, when polution turned the trees black, gave birth to a generation of black moths. Could we then not consider one's previous life as a human one generation, and then one's rebirth as a vampire the second generation? After all, one of the fundmental precepts of evolution is *mutation* -- human cells mutated into vampire cells. But besides the evolution you hear about on PBS, consider the kind you also hear about in creative writing classes: *character evolution*. Your character goes through some sort of transformation and is irrevocably changed. It's a more metaphysical evolution. I myself have gone through spiritual evolution since my adolescence -- haven't many of us? It didn't take generations; it took a few years. In every since of the word "evolution" I think FK vampires can be considered evolved humans (well maybe Carouches are de-evolved, yes?). Now, I didn't necessarily say all evolution is good -- some creatures evolve and then their surroundings change and they die. How can I say vampires are an evolutionary step above humans? (Note, I am talking about FK vampires -- the vampires in my novel are an entirely different species.) They are stronger, they live longer, and they are potentially smarter (because a longer life affords the opportunity to learn more). I'd say if you put a human and a vampire in the same room, only one of them is going to walk out alive when it comes down to "survival of the fittest"! In closing, I'd like to say that, as an anthropologist, I feel compelled to say that vampires aren't better or worse than humans, they're just different from us. However, as a *Cousin*, I'd say Heck, yeah they're better -- and some of them dress better, too! ;) C'mon, Cousins, back me up here! ;) Wicked Cousin Tippi, in big big trouble! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 18:56:35 PST From: June Russell <Kat@g.......> Subject: Re: A topic other than butts and calendars Jamie says (about Nick) :He only THINKS he wants to be mortal. What Nick really wants is :redemption. He believes that mortality is a necessary ingredient toward :redemption; but if he could be 'redeemed' without losing his powers or his :eternal life, well, that'd be a totally different story. I heartily agree with this one. He said it outright in Blackwing when Nat was giving him a bad time about "drycleaning his soul". She said he was still a vampire. He said that even though he was a vampire, he didn't feel like one "and maybe that's enough". If I were Nat at that point, I think I would have sat down and had a real heart to heart with him. (Although I think at that point she was feeling a little left out that Marion had made him feel like he had been redeemed, and she hadn't had a part in it). I felt very sorry for Nick when he gave up that "redemption" so that Marion wouldn't have to be a vampire. I'm a little surprised however that he didn't try to get Nat's help (or someone's help) on the aspect that Jess was talking about re: dumping the negatives into an animal, a stream or something. Surely there are other "medicine men" who were still active and could help him work on it. Kat Kat ( June Russell ) pacifier.com!grendal!kat kat@g....... Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 22:48:58 -0500 From: Sharon Scott <Sss44@a.......> Subject: New Topic--last 3rd season ep I forgot the new topic. :-) What would you like to see in the last ep of the 3rd season? My short list: *LaCroix* wears a hair extension. Janette returns, kicks LaCroix out, and takes the Raven back. LaCroix gets a real job and takes care of Tracy. For good. Nat does *not* read Nick the riot act. Vachon shaves, combs his hair, and does *something* with his life. Nick realizes that Janette is his true love. Nat finds a really nice guy, falls in love, marries, and has bambinos. Grace goes to med school. Schanke is found wandering around with amnesia, gets his memory back, returns to the loving arms of his family, and returns to the police force, where he becomes a captain. Nick decides he likes being a vampire & hates being a cop. He decides to become a writer and runs away to Paris with Janette. Discuss. Scottie scotts@b....... or sss44@a....... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 22:49:52 -0500 From: Sharon Scott <Sss44@a.......> Subject: Nick & Nat & New Topic Those of you who have heard all this before can delete now. And yes, I am a Knightie. :-) My take on the Nick & Nat situation--they need to learn to communicate, to actually *say* what they feel about each other, instead of the edging-around-the-topic-stuff we've seen for 3 seasons. We've seen them flirting; we've seen them arguing; we've heard intimations; but we've never seen them actually, honestly, truly, say what their feelings are. I know, I know, he said "beautiful things" to her in BMV, but *we* don't actually know what was said. So do it, I say. Get it out in the open. Now! No more pussyfooting around. :-) We want to *hear* it! On whether Nat's a b*tch, I'd say no. She's competent, she's hardworking, she's a woman making it in a tough profession. She's alone and lonely. And she's in love with a dead man, which wouldn't make me a really cheerful person, either. :-) I think she has seemed a bit ... hard? cruel? unforgiving? this season, especially to people who haven't seen her in the other 2 seasons--people who haven't seen her fall apart over her brother's death, or her godchild's death. I can understand all that, but what really bothers me is her preaching to Nick about his morals (or lack of morals). Those of us who have watched her for all 3 seasons have seen her lie, cover up/change evidence, hide causes of death, and although some of us would probably do the same thing in her situation, it annoys me that she moralizes to Nick every chance she gets. He's not perfect--he's often inconsiderate, he's sometimes weak, he's responsible for hundreds or thousands of deaths, but he's trying to change. He's making the attempt. He's working at it, no matter how often he backslides. So give him a break, Nat. Glass houses, rocks, and all that. There, I'm done. Got it off my chest. I feel better. :-) Scottie scotts@b....... or sss44@a....... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 22:51:40 -0500 From: Carrie Krumtum <Carrie400@a.......> Subject: Re: There can't be more lists Leah Stop! STOP! (I can't catch my breath I'm laughing so hard!) I said STOP!!! Carrie, Newbie Knightie Heheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheeeeeee!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 22:48:10 EST From: TORREY L HARRIS <SSZK27A@p.......> Subject: Re: One more spine-tingling topic Allison Percy, the perky Knightie writes: >Vaqueras/os: The beast within is getting my hair all tangled. Actually it is:....The beast within is getting my hair all tangled, and it is a good thing because it is much to hard get just the right ratted look without it! Blink Blink Torrey *Vaquera* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 22:48:13 EST From: TORREY L HARRIS <SSZK27A@p.......> Subject: Re: Unsubscribe me please Ok, I just have to say this. I like the humor and silliness that gets batted around sometimes on this list. The list is like a family or community. There have been days when the humor on this list has reminded me not to take life so seriously. The discussion on this list can be very challenging, they can also leave you ROTF. That is what makes this such a great place. You have to admit that we do have very creative silliness. In fact the other night all heck broke loose in the ER where I work and I started to feel more than a little overwhelmed. I got to the point of almost breaking down into tears then a strange thought came into my sleep deprived brain. Yes folks I warded off a mild break down all do to Jamie and her fly! So beware of knocking the silliness, you never know when it may come back and save your bu**! Torrey *Vaquera* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 22:56:52 -0500 From: Apache <lf@c.......> Subject: Re: New Lists...the Perfect List...the..... On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, Jamie Melody Randell wrote: > If we start subdividing lists for every little topic, well, I can tell you > right now that I absolutely refuse to be an assistant listowner on > GERBUTT-L. > But Jamie, that would be the all-smoking list.... your natural habitat! a peach, er Apache [it's an "anagram..."], ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 23:22:44 -0500 From: Harper <RCMANN@d.......> Subject: Re: Without a Clew Valery (kingv@u.......) said: >Whenever I see LC on this list, and I'm reading it at work, I have to be >sure to check the "from" line to make sure I'm not reading an AutoCat >message (LC being a librarian acronym for Library of Congress). Then [snip] Heh, heh, heh. Wise up and switch to Reference! Q. How many cataloguers does it take to change a light bulb? A. Only one, but she has to wait to see how LC does it. ObFK: Maybe that's why I'm a Nat Packer. If Nat were a librarian, she'd be a reference librarian. She likes solving puzzles. What about the other characters? Any ideas? Running and hiding from the irate cataloguers, Harper *** rcmann@d....... *** "Mostly Harmless" -- Douglas Adams "Go to the coffee-house..." -- Lord Byron Robin Carroll-Mann ** Nat Pack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 23:23:40 -0500 From: Siona <siona@n.......> Subject: Re: There can't be more lists On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, Leah Rosenthal wrote: > Oh, darn...there go my proposals to tailor new lists to every concievable > conversation that FK fans might choose to carry on, to wit: [most lists snipped] > FORKNIFE = Dedicated to FK fans who simply wanna talk about food on the show > FORWAR = Wherein nothing but endless warfare reigns You forgot: FORMETOO = For all those who want to leave one line answers, usually requiring that the entire previous message be included, such as (but not limited to: "me too", "I agree with you", and "LOL". (Though I have to admit that people on this list are better than other lists I'm on about snipping material not related to their replies.) -- Siona@n....... Knightie! (with Dark Knightie tendancies) Help save Forever Knight! see http://www.netaxs.com/~siona/ "Murphy was an optimist!" Lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 23:22:52 -0500 From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......> Subject: Evolution Rather than the next advance in human evolution, the FK vampire could instead be an evolutionary *throwback* to a more primitive version of human. Or perhaps the FK vampire is just a human *mutation*. --Sandra Gray, forever Knightie --tmp_harkins@d....... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 23:30:02 EST From: Karen Tobin <ktobin@t.......> Subject: Re: Show status (need help!) On 6 Feb 96 at 21:12, Cyberspace Vanguard Magazine wrote: > I'm trying to put together a list of all the stations that are > showing FK and their addresses to put on the CV site... <snip> > What I'd really appreciate is if everyone could > send me a note with the city and station where they watch the show. I'm sending TJ the list of stations that Cynthia and I have maintained, so if you've written to me or to Cynthia, you're covered! Karen, Knightie/Heartbreaker/FFFROG ktobin@t......., KarenT1228@a.......) Reference Librarian of the Save Forever Knight Campaign Forever Knight has been cancelled. To help, email me and/or visit: http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 23:51:18 -0500 From: Calliope <usleamys@u.......> Subject: YKYB... You know you've been doing too much FK-related stuff when ... ... you listen intently to song lyrics not because you like them but because you finally want to answer that "Song Challenge" thing. And I swear I will! Someday. ... you see a vanity license plate that reads "JADF." Your first thought is, Hey! They forgot the "E"! And so on. When's "Human Factor" supposed to air? And did the Auction story get posted when I was offlist? Crawling back into my nice quilted room ... Cathy usleamys@u....... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 23:51:30 -0500 From: Calliope <usleamys@u.......> Subject: Herald article: whoomp! Here it is. Here is the article that was in the Boston Herald's "Inside Track" section for those of you who are Herald-impaired. Added commentary by yours truly. Cathy Vampire "Knight" isn't immortal Not even a massive mobilization on the Internet (headquartered in Boston) will save the syndicated cult TV show "Forever Knight." (optimists! -CL) But don't tell the 2,000-plus on-line Knight-fever sufferers who have accessed the Save-ForeverKnight web page to bemoan the demise of the Fox-TV/ USA Network sci-fi show. "We're hoping to find the show another home," said Save-ForeverKnight-ite Cal Montgomery who called to tell us about a letter-writing campaign to TriStar Television, the "Forever Knight" "Appreciation Week," a Knight fund raiser for the Pediatric AIDS Foundation and the Knight table at the Arisia sci-fi convention at the Park Plaza this weekend. All to save a show that's doomed. (it wouldn't be if you jerks didn't talk like that! - CL) "Only a small miracle and a huge change of heart from the people at TriStar would save the show," said "Forever Knight" executive producer Jim Parriott (our man Jim! - CL). "But since USA Network canceled the show, TriStar would be on the hook for an additional $250,000 per episode (but it's worth it, innit? - CL) and they're not willing to pay." Parriott said he surfs the 'net and has seen the mobilization of the troops who want the drama about the vampire police detective in Toronto back for another season. "It's flattering," he said, "but I doubt it's going to help." File Under: Good Knight. ... well! Somebody's glass is half empty! By the way, has anyone else noticed that the majority of vampire stuff is set in Toronto? First I noticed FK, then those Tanya Huff books, then *Kiss of the Vampire* by Nancy Baker (did anyone else read this? I'd be interested in some popular opinion), now these *Vampire: the Masquerade* books! Does anyone know where those "Anita something: Vampire Hunter" books are set? Be seeing you 'cos I ... love ... Forever ... Knight... Cathy usleamys@u....... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 00:08:40 -0500 From: Allison Percy <percy91@w.......> Subject: Re: One more spine-tingling topic Jamie Melody Randell <immajer@p.......> said: > On Feb 06, 1996 18:39:31, 'Allison Percy <percy91@w.......>' > wrote: > > >Knighties: The beast within is my fault, and I'm damned for having one. > >Vaqueras/os: The beast within is getting my hair all tangled. > >FoDs: The beast within is hungry for souvlaki. > > Allie, this is AWESOME! Aw, shucks. <blush> Still looking for more addenda or amendments, though.... The "beast within" list would make an interesting addendum to the Factions FAQ. "Peg that faction in one line or less!" I'm not sure the list is what Cassie had in mind when she made her request, though! > I have a definition; just need a faction to go with it... suggestions? > > "The beast within is warm and fuzzy!" Let's see, this would be the faction of the warm fuzzies. The people who are fans of the colorful, excruciatingly adorable, portable hugs available both on the 'net and in Real Life (if Jamie *really* likes you...). The leader of this faction would have to be Jamie MR herself. ("I *made* you!" "What you made was a *fuzzy*!") Let's call 'em: Fuzz-busters? The Fuzzy Brigade? FuzzPackers? (I know, the "Packers" thing has been overdone...) Fuzzy Co-dependents? The Perpetually Needy? Fuzzy-Wuzzies? Oh, good lord, now I need a warm fuzzy. Hang on while I go load up that page on the web. {{{fuzzzzzz}}} Sigh. Now I feel better. Warm and contented all over. :) * Allison Percy, a perky Knightie percy91@w....... * * __o Pedal for Forever Knight & for a worthy charity! * * _`\<,_ Contact me to pledge support or join the ride. For info * * (*)/ (*) see http://assets.wharton.upenn.edu/~percy91/FKtour.html * ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 22:14:51 -0700 From: Alm <ulrike@h.......> Subject: Re: What, not clewed in YET? On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, Lane Lombardia wrote: > >Swordplay is for Knighties. I am a Cousine. I'm sharpening a *shiv*.... > > As anyone can attest, using your own weaponry is so passe. Why be an > amateur, when you can hire a professional? As any cousin can tell you, it's so much more satisfying to do the dirty work yourself. Besides, hired help must either be paid or killed, and it is really _such_ a pain. Cousin Alm -- ulrike@h....... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 22:23:52 -0700 From: Alm <ulrike@h.......> Subject: Re: What, not clewed in YET? > "There is no honor in life without death. But what does a Cousin know > of honor." -- R.I.P. What should a Cousin know of honor? That men use it as an excuse to kill other men so that they can call themselves "civilized"? That to fight with honor is to commit suicide? One should use every weapon that one has and take every opportunity. Honor? Horsefeathers! Cousin Alm -- ulrike@h....... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 16:56:34 +1000 From: Lisa Sutherland-Fraser <lfraser@p.......> Subject: Re: poor moping Nicola... ^v^Michelle Cousin/Valentine/not gonna mention anyones butt, anymore.... ;) >As for Nick and Nat....I like Nat, I like Nick, I do not like Nick and Nat >together. After 3 years they have become tiresome. There were more sparks >flying between LC/Nat in BMV in that ONE scene (restaurant), then there have >been between Nick and Nat for 3 years!!!! I was hoping LC would just throw >her down on the table, the poor woman needs a little...well, you know. Nick >has had his share of great licking scenes but none of them with Nat. He's >really quite the slut, in fact, a walking hormone. Oh, don't get me started! Oh wot a saucy woman you are and I like it, she obviously has a touch of the Lucien magik about her no doubt. I totally am all for licking and laying, shame I haven't seen BMV. Wot a wonderful expression, a walking hormone, I wish he'd spread some this way... <Growl> Oops is one aloud to be this enthusiastic in front of the general public? Who cares!!!! L ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 01:03:16 -0500 From: Annmarie McKee-Fitzgerald <mickey@c.......> Subject: Re: Unsubscribe me please On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, Stuart Drucker wrote: > I'd have to agree with Lisa that the noise to interest ratio > is about 8:1 these days. That is, if you're only interested in getting info > about the save FK campaign. *SNIP* > like to see the listowners take a little more charge to cut the noise down, > though. What is noise to one person is music to another. How truly boring it would be if we all were the same. So I wonder if you could describe "noise" without stepping on anyone's toes. Statistically speaking,probably not. Although I don't care for a some of the discussions here, I'm sure that those participating in them do and if they are within the guidelines of the list rules then as you pointed out,thats whet the delete button is there for. In reference to your comment about newspapers and stupid contests, I am surprised that someone who is into statistics would not see the value of contests. You might think I took that personally,but I didn't,it just surprised me. Why else do we have the lottery, Publishers Clearing House and countless other contests in the advertising world? Finally, I hope that you all remember that without the efforts of the SOS/FOFK people that there would be no "Forever Knight" and as much as we all may say that we will all still be here, I think realistically that this list will not be as strong as it is now. And I seriously hope that *all* of you who say that you are a fan of FK and of this list are not sitting back hoping that the rest of us will save it for you. And please don't let anyone be mislead into thinking that those who are writing letters etc are doing it because they haven't anything better to do. When the demographics were done on this list it was found that the majority are in fact working professionals or college students,both of which require a great deal of time in our "real" lives. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 22:10:13 -0800 From: Frisson <frisson@i.......> Subject: Vampires : Predators or Monsters Leah wrote: >same purpose...eating any animal while it is still alive is regarded >as inhumane and reduces the consumer to the level of any wild beast >without conscience. Disregarding the religious argument for a moment --- if I _had_ to make the choice, I would rather have LC (or the vampire of your choice) look me in the eye, tell me I was going to die and drain my blood as I swooned into death than a farmer clonk me over the head with a mallet and roast my flesh. Yes, I'm serious. Which is more the act of a 'wild beast,' really? Cousin Diana mercenary frisson@i....... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 17:14:29 +1000 From: Lisa Sutherland-Fraser <lfraser@p.......> Subject: Re: One more spine-tingling topic >>Correct me if I'm wrong, but I get the impression that Cousins >>believe all humans have a "beast within," and that the beast is >>something to celebrate. >I would have to say that this may be correct on some levels, but is >off the mark for me. When I look at LaCroix, I don't see a vampire >who celebrates the beast within, rather I see a vampire who accepts >his nature (beast and all). Lisa Prince -- the Befuddled Cousin Lisa, didn't want to clog the line but I think what you said makes perfect sense, in fact it was very eloquently put. That's what I love about the list, the fascinating and intelligent discussions that fly across the screen, what more could a good vampire want (I have a few ideas...Blood, Vintage 1228 now a perfect drop in the 1990s). Vampire kisses Lisa ------------------------------ End of FORKNI-L Digest - 6 Feb 1996 to 7 Feb 1996 - Special issue *****************************************************************
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