FKSPOILR
Logfile LOG9606 Part 12
June 9-June 11, 1996
File: "FKSPOILR LOG9606" Part 12
TOPICS:
Mission Impossible Music
Thanks
FKSPOILR list
a goodbye Top Ten
Fond Farewells to FKSPOILR
Mission Impossible (2)
End of FK Spoiler (for now)
Vaya Con Dios
SPOILER: LK
Spoilers: LK, AtoA, and farewell (long!)
...Thief (was Re: SPOILER: Last Knight
E-Mail Me If...
Philosophy (3)
FKSPOILR Digest - 6 Jun 1996 to 7 Jun 1996
FKSPOILR Digest - 10 Jun 1996
Vampire Death
SPOILER: Francesca, LK
LK & Christianity (3)
Hell? No
Hell? No (Spoiler LK)
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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 17:56:16 -0700
From: Fundenberger <fundy@t.......>
Subject: Mission Impossible Music
I liked the movie (Mission Impossible). I thought I wouldn't
understand it because everyone said I wouldn't. Amazingly enough, I did.
Anyway, what I really wanted to write about was the music. I bought
the soundtrack because I thought that they would have a theme song that
sounded just like the one from the show, and or the opening of the movie.
When I listened to it, it wasn't quite the same. It kind of made me mad.
Goodbye list. Have a good (k)night. I'm gonna miss ya.
Julie Fundenberger
fundy@t.......
Scrapper
P.S. I gave in and subscribed to forkni-l.
Fundenberger --- A Subscriber at Techline
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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 21:58:59 -0400
From: Beth Brown <BKBVA@a.......>
Subject: Thanks
Thought I'd get in a last minute thank you to everyone on this list.
I was a relative latecomer to this list, less than three months ago. It was
so nice to have everyone's comments to review, and use to get a different
outlook on the various episodes. There was probably something in every
episode that I ended up going back to check for after reading your comments.
I also find it amazing that the people connected with the show read our
comments and must have cared about what we thought. Thanks to all of them,
especially Nigel Bennett and Fred Mollin, who took the time to post to the
list.
See you all back over on FORKNI-L.
Beth
bkbva@a.......
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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 22:07:20 -0400
From: Arletta Asbury <g4akl@e.......>
Subject: FKSPOILR list
I only joined the lists in time to see the last 4 episodes discussed
and dissected on FKSPOILR but I would like to say that the insight you all
gave me into those episodes was great and I only wish that I could
have been in on the discussions of all the earlier episodes that took
place there. It must have been great!
A heartfelt thanks to all of you and I hope to see you over on forkni
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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 22:00:24 -0500
From: TippiNB <Tippinb@i.......>
Subject: a goodbye Top Ten
Well what the hell, I figure why not send the list off with a Top Ten?
What happens to mailing lists when they go down? Well, look no more. Here
then are the Top Ten Fates of FKspoilr:
10. In 1999 the list will be seen in Times Square dressed as Baby New Year
in a diaper and top hat.
9. The list will be spotted pregnant with Elvis' love child somewhere in
the Gamma Quadrant.
8. The list will become a Psychic Phone Pal and earn ridiculous amounts of
money predicting the futures of other mailing lists.
7. In 2001, the list will be touched by a band of docile monkeys who then
pick up bones and beat the hell out of each other.
6. The list will replace Stephen Spielberg as the director of the sequel to
Jurassic Park - the dinosaurs will all drive Caddies!
5. The list will take over the world, slowly replacing human beings with
violent robots and then send one back into the past to harrass the PSUVM
hamsters.
4. In August 1997, the image of the list will be spotted on a tortilla in a
midwestern Piggly Wiggly - thousands will flock to behold its magnificence.
3. The list will be voted President of the United States and the First Pet
will be a hamster named Socks.
2. A mirage of the list will be seen in Amish country, after which 50
farmers all invest in IBM stock and hold FK parties for Pennsylvania area fans.
and the number one fate of FKspoilr is:
1. The list will one day again be necessary!
(Sappy, huh?)
Toodles. See you on forkni and SKL!
Wicked Cousin Tippi, Dollar Bill Wrangler of the Thong Throng!
*Voyeur of the Menage LaCroix*Founding Member: Unnamed Faction*
"I'm the primavera to your pasta, baby. Without me, you're just
a limp noodle." -- Something else LC never said to NK.
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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 23:58:17 -0300
From: Stapleton <d7ux@u.......>
Subject: Fond Farewells to FKSPOILR
Here in New Brunswick, it is now 11:45pm. And as usual, I've
procrastinated posting anything with regards to the demise (hopefully
temporary) of this list. Well, I'm here now, and it should count :-)
I will still remain on the other FK lists (you're not getting rid of me
that easy), so hopefully I'll see you all around. Like anyone is going to
take my FK away from me. HA! :-)
Thanks to all who've enjoyed my interview with Fred Mollin, and a great
thanks to those who pointed out to me, after I'd posted, the spelling
error in the Music God's name, so that I could correct it.
While I may not have been a frequent poster to this list, I have enjoyed
the sometimes rigourous debates over the events in various episodes. Some
I agreed with, others I hadn't. This FK family that we have created has,
and continues to be, a wonderful part of my life. I have made some
wonderful friendships here, and though we may not always agree on
everything, I believe we agree that because of this show and these
characters that were presented to us, we have all in some way become
enriched.
Thanks for the ride,
See you over on FORKNI-L and FKFIC-L,
Lynn Stapleton
NatPacker/DueSouther/X-Phile
d7ux@u.......
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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 22:16:53 -0500
From: MS ANNE P PINZOW <Quill_And_Screen@p.......>
Subject: Re: Mission Impossible
Yes, I am very annoyed about Jim Phelps.
And that is only one of the problems I have with this movie.
First is that while it masquaraded at MI it fell far short. MI always
used the "bad guys" weaknesses against them. It was a brain game which
the bad guys lost simply because of their own greed, lust, obsessions,
sadism, whatever. I understand that the producers thought that today's
audiences wouldn't understand a story like that. I personally think
that it's that they didn't have Bruce Geller to consult. It was fun
trying to figure out what the IMF was going to do and how everything
would fall together.
Anyway, this movie concentrated more on special effects where were
fantastic but at the cost of a good solid IM story. The left out what
made IM, IM. As to Jim Phelps... Personally I think that they should
have had Peter Graves reprise his part. And I don't think he should
have been the bad guy. That's if they needed to have Jim Phelps at
all. The other possibility would have been if they had Steven Hill
reprise his part, made him The Secretary, or something like that. Or
even both, have Steven Hill and Peter Graves both reprising and one of
them is suspected of being a bad guy. Then Tom Cruise has to devise a
plan to get them to reveal who it is themselves. Only we find out that
it isn't either of them but an enemy IMF.
Anyway, that's just me plotting.
Sincerely,
Anne
-------- REPLY, Original message follows --------
> Date: Sunday, 09-Jun-96 02:43 PM
>
> From: Andy E. Nystrom \ Internet:
> (wo991@f.......)
> To: Anne Phyllis Pinzow \ PRODIGY: (TBZY17B)
>
> Subject: Mission Impossible
>
> No one's really been taking advantage of the rule that for the last two
> days only off-topic posts are allowed, so regarding mission Impossible...
> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
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> S
> P
> A
> C
> E
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> Is everyone else annoyed as well that Jim Phelps is the bad guy? --
Andy
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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 23:29:43 -0400
From: Roxanne Piccen <RoxanneP@a.......>
Subject: End of FK Spoiler (for now)
Just wanted to say I've really, truly enjoyed all the discussion and
advanced spoiler info on this list. I join the chorus of voices in
thanking our listowner, assistant listowners and everyone behind
the scenes that helped to create and maintain this list. And as
a semi-lurker, I feel I can speak on behalf of all the lurkers when I
thank all of you *very* active posters for providing us with many
hours of enlightening and fascinating reading.
Let's make sure psu leaves space on the server for us, though.
We'll need to revive this list when we get that fourth season or
T.V. movie! (Just keep saying "I know we can, I know we can")
Thanks for the memories! See you on forkni-l!
Roxanne
RoxanneP@a....... (Home) // CHIRMP@a....... (Work)
Save Forever Knight! // Save American Gothic! Check out:
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
http://www.best.com/~owls for The Trinity Guardian
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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 23:33:51 -0400
From: "Meredith E. Pickering" <Plan2@a.......>
Subject: Vaya Con Dios
Well, I'm coming in just under the wire for sending a final post to this
list...
A few thanks: for all the brilliant discussions, and, particularly, for all
the humorous thoughts; for all the patience people had when I (duh!) e-mailed
the list with my no-mail request in April; for all the virtual hugs received
in times of trouble... stop me now! I'm getting mushy.
I thought the title of this post was particularly appropriate: translated,
for those of you who didn't grow up with your grandmother saying it to you
every time you left the house, is "Go (or, alternately, travel) with God."
As we added Vachon and the Inca this season, Spanish seemed to fit the bill.
YKYBWTMFK:
I've been drinking "LaCroix" springwater, bought from the cafeteria at work,
during my diet... my mother wanted one of the empty bottles... but, of
course, I couldn't just bring her the bottle. I gave blood yesterday, and
stuck the sticker which they gave me on the lower part of the bottle. It now
reads: "LaCroix Springwater... Be nice to me: I gave blood today."
See you all on FORKNI-L.
Fondly,
Meredith
Natpacker, N&Npacker, Dracpacker
"I had to hear the news from a desk...sargeant!"
(Does anyone else think this was an odd place to break this sentence?)
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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 21:43:33 -0700
From: Amy R. <akr@n.......>
Subject: SPOILER: LK
(I wonder if this will bounce back...?)
I was dubbing some second season stuff, and I noticed a few things that
bear on LK. First, in ND, the morgue scale points to zero. I suppose
that there *could* be a pan or whatever inside it, but it did bring to
mind the "underweight" scale in LK.
Much more significantly, I noticed Nat's behavior in AMPH. She tells
Schanke that she was beginning to think that the scientist who committed
suicide had the right idea. "You weren't thinking of...?" Schanke asks,
shocked. "Sure I was," Nat replies, seriously.
Nat's behavior in LK is very similar to that of AMPH. The difference is,
in AMPH, she learned that Nick will *not* respond to a request to come
across. Consciously or subconsciously, she filed away that lesson, and
let it influence the way she spoke in LK.
*** Amy, Lady of the Knight (akr@n.......) ***
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 01:17:12 -0400
From: Judith Boguslawski <JudiBogus@a.......>
Subject: Spoilers: LK, AtoA, and farewell (long!)
Just a few last-minute rebuttals before FKSPOILR vanishes into the ether ...
On Sun, 9 Jun 1996 "l.d. steele"wrote:
>>My version:
>>Definitely Dead: Schanke, Cohen, Screed
>>Probably Dead: Tracy, Nat
>>Probably Alive (sort of): Vachon, Urs, Nick
>>Most likely Alive: LaCroix, Reese, Stonetree, Janette
>><snip> Tracy can be brought back as a vampire (remember Richard in "I Will
Repay"? -- he was declared dead at
the hospital and wheeled away too). That's why I put them in the probably
instead of definitely dead.<<
Yes, but who was there to bring Tracy across? As I see it, the only two
people who would have the motive to do so were Nick and Vachon. Nick, as we
saw, decided NOT to, and Vachon was either dead, or (as you say) probably
buried with his system shut down, repairing the damage of Divia's
"infection."
>>I'll take Vachon and Urs first. We didn't see either one exposed to the
sun, and totally destroyed.<<
Since they both died at night, we couldn't have seen the sun destroy their
bodies. They could be just as dead without the sunlight reducing them to
ash. And, not only did Tracy and Nick believe Vachon dead, but so,
apparently, did LaCroix ... at least he didn't contradict Nick when told
about Vachon's death and burial. And we all know LaCroix is much more in
tune with the Toronto vampire community than Nick is -- after all, he was
able to "sense" all his "people" dying in "Fever," wasn't he? I think, had
Vachon still been alive, LaCroix certainly would have known it ... LaCroix,
after all, is NEVER wrong, is he? :-)
>><snip> Unlike Screed, their body systems did not suffer extreme cellular
damage. Vampire body parts <can> be reattached. <snip> They were, in
effect, poisoned. What I'm asserting is that their systems <shut down> in
order to repair the damage.<<
In regard to Urs, if she was torn limb from limb, PLUS her body systems are
shut down so it can devote all available energy to repairing the damage of
Divia's virus, how's it gonna get the extra energy to pull detached body
parts together and heal them properly? It just seems like too much of a
stretch to me. I doubt if even a healthy (???) vampire could repair that
much damage, let alone one fighting off Divia's "poison." Also, it was
mentioned that Natalie was seeing to the disposal of the body, and would she
fail Nick? (Not good, old reliable Natalie!) :-)
I would like to thank everybody who has made FKSPOILR such a scintillating
place to lurk. I've greatly enjoyed reading the discussions and hearing the
different viewpoints about the episodes (if nothing else, you were the guys
to convince me that Janette was alive at the end of HF, and I have to thank
you for that!!!). Even though I've only been here for a few months, I'm
going to miss FKSPOILR. Hope to "see" everyone again on FORKNI-L!
'Bye 'bye, all!
Judi B.
<JudiBogus@a.......>
"Sometimes, immortality sucks!" - Amanda, HL: The Series
"You can say that again!" - Nick, FK (just kidding!!!) ;-D
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 01:01:37 -0700
From: "Andy E. Nystrom" <wo991@f.......>
Subject: Re: ...Thief (was Re: SPOILER: Last Knight
On Sun, 9 Jun 1996, TJ Goldstein wrote:
> OK, if we're on the topic of weird foreign (to us Americans) films,
> try _Subway_ witha VERY young Christopher Lambert. But you have to
> see it subtitled in the original French -- the dubbing is terrible.
>
I don't think this counts as a foreign film, but a really, really great
weird film you've probably never heard of is Unmasked Part 25. It's an
excellent satire of the slasher flick movies. It acting makes an effort
to create the appearance of a slasher film, rather just going the horror
with one liners approach. Many gags are on the mark, like when the
slasher kills someone and them smokes a cigarette as if he's just had sex
(ie death = sex to him). A word of caution though: it's often as gorey as
the real thing.
--Andy, posting one of the few Monday posts before the list goes down
later today.
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 01:05:05 -0700
From: "Andy E. Nystrom" <wo991@f.......>
Subject: E-Mail Me If...
any of you ever want to talk comics, TV shows, or mvies. Am a big
entertainment buff, especially re comics.
Might not move to FK-List because I'm on two other high traffic
lists, so take care everyone.
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 08:33:23 EDT
From: Tanya Smith <bodybldr@v.......>
Subject: Philosophy
Anything goes:
If a tree falls in the woods, but no one is around, does it make a noise?
Answer:
The answer is individualistic, as it reflects perpective. If you answer yes
to this, then you are an objective thinker. You believe that things exist
outside of your culmulative experiences, and that you don't have to be present
for something in the universe to occur. This theory tends to support a belief
in some kind of creator/higher entity.
If you answer no to this question, then you are a subjective thinker. You are
the sum of your culmulative experiences and don't believe that things outside
of your personal reality are possible.You most likely tend toward atheism
or agnosticism, as you cannot perceive God with your five senses.
The irony: the question itself is subjective in nature.
I figured this out one day as I was driving to work, musing as I am wont on
the higher cognitive functions.
O.K. Here's a question for you:
If time and space are definitive perameters, and God is omnipotent and
omnipresent, are time and space a facet of God, or does God exist in time
and space? Or, are they identical, mutually exclusive or inclusive?
Just some ideas to ponder...
Tanya, bodybuilder, philosopher, writer, raver, Cousin and Member of the
Unamed.
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 08:08:37 +0200
From: katrinka <STUKENDALCA@m.......>
Subject: Re: FKSPOILR Digest - 6 Jun 1996 to 7 Jun 1996
oh, this list is going down,
it's like the death of a very close friend.
I'm going to miss the converstations on this list.
even though the show is going away,
i wish this list wouldn't!!!!!!!
Forever knight is the only north american show that i really like. I am
an anglophile, whose tastes run more to the professionals, but as an
excuase two of the leads are british born.
oh woe is me, I'm going to have to have a wake
katrinka
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:49:39 -0400
From: TJ Goldstein <vanguard@p.......>
Subject: Re: Philosophy
If the sum of the squares of the two sides is equal to the square of
the hypotenuse, how is a mouse when it spins?
---- TJ
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:13:43 GMT
From: "Jamie M.R." <immajer@n.......>
Subject: Re: Philosophy
On Jun 10, 1996 11:49:39, 'TJ Goldstein <vanguard@p.......>' wrote:
>If the sum of the squares of the two sides is equal to the square of
>the hypotenuse, how is a mouse when it spins?
Dizzy.
Like a Webgoddess who's been sorting mail all morning without benefit of
coffee. Four days' worth just dropped into my box.
(I'm surprised the list is still here...)
--
-:-:-:-:- Jamie M.R. <immajer@n.......> -:-:-:-:-
Asst. Listowner, The Smoking Natpacker, ConvCoS, NDNEDnik
-->>> Illustrated Webgoddess & Keeper of Warm Fuzzies <<<--
** List Rules <http://cac.psu.edu/~jap8/FK/FKRules.html> **
The Truth Is Out There. Just maybe not in our jurisdiction.
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:26:02 -0400
From: Linda Simon <lsimon@h.......>
Subject: Re: FKSPOILR Digest - 10 Jun 1996
Just checking....
FKSPOILR-writers: always passionate, often literate, crazy; devoted fans,
ranges of humor, creative minds....I'll miss this list. Pleeeez everyone,
keep it up on FORKNI-L.
Love and virtual chocolates to all!;
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:22:27 -0700
From: "Andy E. Nystrom" <wo991@f.......>
Subject: Re: Mission Impossible
>
> Anyway, this movie concentrated more on special effects where were
> fantastic but at the cost of a good solid IM story. The left out what
> made IM, IM. As to Jim Phelps... Personally I think that they should
> have had Peter Graves reprise his part. And I don't think he should
> have been the bad guy. That's if they needed to have Jim Phelps at
> all. The other possibility would have been if they had Steven Hill
> reprise his part, made him The Secretary, or something like that. Or
> even both, have Steven Hill and Peter Graves both reprising and one of
> them is suspected of being a bad guy. Then Tom Cruise has to devise a
> plan to get them to reveal who it is themselves. Only we find out that
> it isn't either of them but an enemy IMF.
>
> Anyway, that's just me plotting.
>
Better than what we saw. Another possibility would have been to make Jim
actually injured by real double crosser, maybe his wife. At the end opf
the movie Jim could have recovered from his injuries.
--Andy, wondering if this will still make the list
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 22:05:11 -0700
From: "Andy E. Nystrom" <wo991@f.......>
Subject: Vampire Death
Given some of the survival debates spawned by recent eps, under what
circumstances have vampires been known to survive or not survive death on FK?
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 23:19:10 -0700
From: Amy R. <akr@n.......>
Subject: SPOILER: Francesca, LK
If the list is still here, I should take advantage of it to suggest that
everyone now go back and rewatch "Francesca," informed by LK. Things
change a great deal, and many previously ignored statements take on a
profound new resonance -- especially those about other lives and their
ends, especially those of the Nightcrawler.
*** Amy, Lady of the Knight (akr@n.......) ***
"In 2001, the list will be touched by a band of docile monkeys who
then pick up bones and beat the hell out of each other." -- WCT
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 07:39:55 -0700
From: "Andy E. Nystrom" <wo991@f.......>
Subject: LK & Christianity
Since this list doesn't seem to know it's dead yet...
From what I've heard (and correct me if I'm wrong), suicide send a
person to Hell according to Christian doctrine, right?
If so, does that mean Nick thinks he and Nat will be together in Hell?
Not a pleaant thought.
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:46:07 EDT
From: Lisa McDavid <D020214@v.......>
Subject: Hell? No
No, not all Christian denominations hold that suicide sends the person
to Hell. It's Catholic doctrine, certainly, but many Protestant
denominations have never had this.
In any case, even the strictest Catholic theology would have to allow
for God's grace. It should also be remembered that some forms of
voluntary death are not suicide. Choosing to die rather than to
fail in one's religious duty is one -- otherwise all the saints who
were also martyrs would be suicides.
It's possible to argue that if the only way Nick can escape from being
a vampire and from his apparent inability to feed without killing is
to die, then he is not a suicide. Rather, he's in the position of someone
who, when forced to choose between following an order to kill and being
killed himself, chooses to die instead of committing murder. If anything,
that would make him a martyr.
Remember, too, that Nat didn't simply say she wanted to be brought
across. She said she had faith that there was a future for them somewhere,
somehow. She believed in a life after death. She said so in Near Death
and again in Last Night. She was willing to risk dying with Nick.
All she said about being brought across was that she wasn't afraid of
it and would risk it.
Nat's not a suicide either, even by strict Catholic theology, or by
the Protestant kind. If she died, she voluntarily gave her life
trying to cure Nick. That no more makes her a suicide that a doctor
who catches a disease from a patient and dies of it is a suicide.
Cousin Lisa -- "That will be trouble."
Chief Watcher for Cats, McGregor
Lisa McDavid
mcdavid-lisa@s.......
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 12:00:03 EDT
From: Tanya Smith <bodybldr@v.......>
Subject: LK & Christianity
According to the Bible, the only unforgivable sin is blasphemy
against the Holy Spirit--ie rejection of Jesus. So, if Nat and
Nick were saved, then suicide would just be another sin against
them on judgement day.
IE Nick gets to scrub the toilets while Nat washes the dishes in
Heaven.
Tanya
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:29:15 -0500
From: ann raper <araper@v.......>
Subject: Re: LK & Christianity
Andy Nystrom wrote:
> From what I've heard (and correct me if I'm wrong), suicide send a
>person to Hell according to Christian doctrine, right?
> If so, does that mean Nick thinks he and Nat will be together in Hell?
> Not a pleaant thought.
Hmm....maybe in Roman Catholic dogma and doctrine suicide sends a person
straight to Hades, but theres nothing conclusive in scripture that indicates
that premise. Besides, Nick didn't really commit suicide, did he? Since
his intent was to die, technically, maybe, but he didn't do the deed himself
and we did *not* see LC actually drive that stake.....and who's to say that
Nat actually expired. I refuse to believe they died at the end of LK. Hope
springs eternal. :-)
*Ann
araper@seark.net
"You can't live forever, Knight"~Don Schanke in AMPH
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:27:44 -0700
From: Amy R. <akr@n.......>
Subject: Re: Hell? No (Spoiler LK)
Thank you, Lisa.
I concur; no character but Laura Haynes committed suicide.
And I would like to point out that contemporary Catholic doctrine does not
consider suicide *automatically* damning, either.
#2283 in the Catechism:
"We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken
their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the
opportunity for salutary repentance."
And particularly relevant to LK:
#2282
"Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship,
suffering or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing
suicide."
I've already posted my interpretation of faith and redemption in LK.
This is part of where it came from.
Respectfully,
*** Amy, Lady of the Knight (akr@n.......) ***
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