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Digest - 15 Dec 2010 to 16 Dec 2010 (#2010-36)
Thu, 16 Dec 2010
There are 5 messages totalling 232 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter (and Forever Knight)
2. Missing Post December 14th? (2)
3. Forkni-L archives update
4. Some musings on the "whammy"
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 17:38:57 -0500
From: "Marla K." <mrkkaye@a.......>
Subject: Re: Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter (and Forever Knight)
Speaking of Czar Nicholas... check out the forkni-l.com page. The actor who
portrayed Czar Nicholas is now appearing in an open-end run of Rock of Ages
in Toronto.
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From: Ensio Ferum <eferum@h.......>
To: FORKNI-L <FORKNI-L@l.......>
Sent: Sun, Dec 12, 2010 11:14 am
Subject: Re: [FORKNI-L] Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter (and Forever Knight)
> element.But it seems to me that we actually
have the precursor of this genre in Forever Knight with the flashbacks of
LaCroix almost
bringing Hitler over as a vampire. I find myself contemplating how this
genre would be worked
into Forever Knight if it were being produced today.
There was also episode where Vachon had his name on Mississauga peace treaty on
787 and Rasputin was a vampire in Imperial Russia in 1916.
am thinking that this kinds of flashbacks are quite difficult because they can
e politically sensitive. For example for me Czar Nikolai II has always been an
nemy of Finland, so I don't share the rather empathic picture of Nikolai II in
hat episode. So one must always be a little careful what kind of connections to
eal history and real people one makes in flashbacks. But it is nice to think
hat FK vampires has seen many historical events and have tried to live more or
ess successfully undetected during all these centuries. One of my favorite
antasy is that Nicholas or LaCroix has actually met Jane Austin and that her
ather sudden death in her 40's were because somebody actually brought her over.
ours sincerely
nsio Ferum
ferum@h.......
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 17:41:02 -0500
From: Ramona Jackson <lexyladyjax@g.......>
Subject: Re: Missing Post December 14th?
There is an entire message that must have been missed. This is what I
received but it doesn't refer to anything that came to me previously. Can
someone fill me in, please? Perhaps forward the post from the 14th? It
didn't go into my Spam folder and it's not elsewhere.
Mona
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 5:00 PM, FORKNI-L automatic digest system <
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> There are 2 messages totalling 44 lines in this issue.
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> Topics of the day:
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> 1. Some musings on the "whammy" (2)
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> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 21:43:38 -0700
> From: Walt Doherty <wdoherty5@c.......>
> Subject: Re: Some musings on the "whammy"
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> Logical, straight-forward, believable.
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> Walt D
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> > As I've been watching FK again, I've been thinking about the practice of
> > the
> > vampire "whammy". Here are a few thoughts.
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> >
> > Well, that's my two cents. What do you think?
> >
> >> Angela Gottfred
> >
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> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 14:59:53 +0800
> From: eruve erundun <eruveerundun@y.......>
> Subject: Re: Some musings on the "whammy"
>
> Interesting that you don't categor=
>
> This certainly perked my interest. Interesting that you don't
> categorize Natalie's situation with Spark in the ep "A More Permanent Hell" as
> a situation 4. Was there a reason?My two cents certainly lean toward
> those conclusions that Angela arrived at, with the addition of the
> whammy likelihood is higher the more senior the vampire. (Natalie again,
> being whammied by Lacroix in "Be My Valentine"). Angela wrote:
> <snip> 4. The subject is a resister who quickly realizes
> what is beingattempted, and plays along, convincing the vamp that the
> whammy worked. <end snip>
>
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 14:52:14 -0800
From: cindy clark <badwolf15895@s.......>
Subject: Re: Missing Post December 14th?
I got this.
Cindy
Most people have minds like concrete: mixed up or permanently set.
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From: Ramona Jackson lexyladyjax@g.......
Can someone fill me in, please? Perhaps forward the post from the 14th? It
didn't go into my Spam folder and it's not elsewhere.
Mona
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 07:05:14 -0800
From: Nancy Braman <knightwind1228@y.......>
Subject: Forkni-L archives update
Forkni-L's dusty vaults have been give an update--the first of many, many more
to come. This one consists of January-April 2000, and completes the year 2000.
Visit my main page (URL in sig) and navigate to the Dusty Vaults page, or use
the direct link:
http://knightwind1228.com/vaults.htm
Happy reading (if anyone has time for it this time of year :-) )
Nancy Braman knightwind@k.......
http://knightwind1228.com/ http://mysticalcat7.livejournal.com
What time is it...what day is it...what century is it? - Nick, Forever Knight
Good morning is an oxymoron -- Me
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 05:20:38 -0700
From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
Subject: Some musings on the "whammy"
eruve erundun wrote: " This certainly perked my interest. Interesting that
you don't categorize Natalie's situation with Spark in the ep More Permanent
Hell" as a situation 4. Was there a reason?"
I'm glad you brought up "A More Permanent Hell". I agree, definitely a #4,
where the subject pretends to be whammied. This is shown by what happens
when they get back to Nat's apartment - she quickly turns the tables on
Spark and fights back. I wonder, though, why she waited so long. I suppose
Nat was playing along while she figured out a Plan B, and felt that she
would have some kind of advantage in her own apartment, where she was at
least familiar with the layout and resources and might be able to improvise
a weapon.
" the whammy likelihood is higher the more senior the vampire. (Natalie
again,being whammied by Lacroix in "Be My Valentine")."
My own gut feeling is that Lacroix plays up his seniority, when his real
advantage isn't his age but his centuries of practice. (Remember his how he
"forgot" to teach Nick something else? Dang, what was that? It was in Season
1.) He could probably teach Nick and Janette how to do what he does, but
where's the fun in that?
Last night, I watched "Night in Question", and it seems to me that Lacroix's
whammy of the ER doc is almost a master class in how to do it. Since a lot
is at stake, Lacroix is taking no chances. I think he assumes the ER doc
will be a resister just to be on the safe side. He's dressed as a doctor
when he approaches the ER doc, for instant credibility. He starts by
pointing out to her that X-rays can be unreliable in certain cases. (I'm no
doctor, but I'm sure no diagnostic tools, even X-rays, are 100% reliable.)
While he talks to the ER doc, he removes the X-rays of Nick's shattered head
from the light panel, and pins up X-rays of an intact skull. This would give
her a visual to match what Lacroix is telling her about Nick's remarkable
escape. Then Lacroix provides her with a story to explain why he seemed to
be much more seriously injured. That way, she doesn't have to figure out a
story for herself, which could lead to problems. If he was all-powerful,
then he would just tell her to let Nick leave the hospital. But he doesn't.
He goes to a lot of trouble to persuade her in a more subtle and
sophisticated fashion, and Lacroix isn't the type to put himself out for no
reason.
Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred
PS Sorry for the delay - tried to post this yesterday and it didn't go
through.
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