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Digest - 1 Jun 2010 to 2 Jun 2010 (#2010-104)

Wed, 2 Jun 2010

There are 11 messages totalling 359 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Last Knight (10)
  2. Rookie Blue - Ben Bass

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Date:    Tue, 1 Jun 2010 16:13:39 -0700
From:    Walt Doherty <wdoherty5@c.......>
Subject: Re: Last Knight

I think everyone agrees.  It began a little before "Ashes to Ashes",
and I thought "What are they doing?  Killing everyone off?"  And,
sure enough, it looks like that's just what they were doing.

Ah, this is the problem with commercial television: it caters to
the whim of ratings, funding, but not fans.  Anyway, I have the DVDs
but I refuse to watch LK.  Who needs the grief.  In *my* universe,
Nick and Nat are carrying on trying to find a cure (or at least
come to terms with it) and trying to find love.  :-)  I prefer to
think that LK ever happened.

One thing I do find interesting about LK is that -- to my mind,
at least -- it's a perfect set up for a seasonal cliff-hanger.  That is,
next Fall, when the show returns, we find out that Nat isn't dead,
LC didn't stake Nick, or Nick survived the staking, and we
all get back on track.  Why, I'll bet Tracy even survived, "the
reports of her death were greatly exaggerated".  Maybe they
might even go the route of "Dallas" and it was all a sick dream
(of a guilt ridden Nick, of course).

Alas, the next Fall never arrived.  :-(

But on the other hand, it left things open enough for a *lot* of fan
fiction (in fact, stories about how they got around LK have made
a whole sub-genre of FK stories), and there has been some
amazing, creative, wonderful, strange, and interesting stories
written, but within the canon and extending it.

    W





----- Original Message -----
From: "Lady hawke" <darkknightie@y.......>
To: <FORKNI-L@l.......>
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: Last Knight


>I totally hate the ending.
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> maria
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Date:    Tue, 1 Jun 2010 20:13:04 -0500
From:    wirickml@v.......
Subject: Re: Last Knight

I totally hate the ending.

maria


Maybe we could use some new Last Knight Fan Fiction stories.

MLW

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Date:    Tue, 1 Jun 2010 21:56:06 -0500
From:    Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@c.......>
Subject: Re: Last Knight

> -----Original Message-----
> On Behalf Of Nickis Mom

> I think we all do.  It was quite shocking to me, as well.
> Hence like the Harry Potter fadom I'm into now we all right
> better endings (for
> Severus) to the story.

I don't think we all hate the ending. I for one don't. Nick is a
tragic hero, his striving for his goal (humanity, forgiveness) always
failing, even though his attempts are noble and admirable. It would
have been a copout to me if he and Nat lived happily ever after.

That said, this one episode produced some of the best fanfic we had in
the fandom, both on the side of life and on the side of death.

Nancy Kaminski


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Date:    Tue, 1 Jun 2010 23:15:08 -0400
From:    Deborah Hymon <debh@e.......>
Subject: Re: Last Knight

Yes, I'm a N&N Die-Hard, but the one thing that really disturbed me was Nick
leaving Nat on the cold, floor. If he had picked her up, put her on the
sofa, and then the ending scene with LaCroix, perhaps staking Nick, then I
could have accepted that. The Nick we saw for three years, had a heart, and
in his own way loved Nat, and would have never left her on that damn
floor!!! THAT IS THE ONE THING that's always pissed me off with "Last
Knight".

Deborah

--DeborahAHymon.com


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_midnight_passions/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/historical_passions/




on 6/1/10 10:56 PM, Nancy Kaminski at nancykam@c....... wrote:

> I don't think we all hate the ending. I for one don't. Nick is a
> tragic hero, his striving for his goal (humanity, forgiveness) always
> failing, even though his attempts are noble and admirable. It would
> have been a copout to me if he and Nat lived happily ever after.

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Date:    Tue, 1 Jun 2010 23:24:03 -0400
From:    lthepoet@a.......
Subject: Re: Last Knight

Don't you love that we can still get so passionate about an episode of FK=
 14 years after it aired?

Lisa K.
LthePoet@a.......






From: Deborah Hymon debh@e....... THAT IS THE ONE THING that's always
pissed me off with "Last Knight".

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Date:    Tue, 1 Jun 2010 22:50:04 -0500
From:    Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@c.......>
Subject: Re: Last Knight

> -----Original Message-----
> On Behalf Of Deborah Hymon

> Yes, I'm a N&N Die-Hard, but the one thing that really
> disturbed me was Nick leaving Nat on the cold, floor. If he
> had picked her up, put her on the sofa, and then the ending
> scene with LaCroix, perhaps staking Nick, then I could have
> accepted that. The Nick we saw for three years, had a heart,
> and in his own way loved Nat, and would have never left her
> on that damn floor!!! THAT IS THE ONE THING that's always
> pissed me off with "Last Knight".

Hunh. Look at it this way---Nick thought Nat was dead. Nick wanted
Lacroix to stake him so that he could join her, both in the afterlife
and on that particular bit of floor. How much more romantic to find
the two corpses entwined than finding one on a sofa and the other over
there by the fireplace!

Nancy Kaminski

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Date:    Tue, 1 Jun 2010 23:53:24 -0400
From:    Loreal <Llavigna@n.......>
Subject: Re: Last Knight

I have to agree with that as well.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nancy Kaminski" <nancykam@c.......>
To: <FORKNI-L@l.......>
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: Last Knight


>> -----Original Message-----
>> On Behalf Of Deborah Hymon
>
>> Yes, I'm a N&N Die-Hard, but the one thing that really
>> disturbed me was Nick leaving Nat on the cold, floor. If he
>> had picked her up, put her on the sofa, and then the ending
>> scene with LaCroix, perhaps staking Nick, then I could have
>> accepted that. The Nick we saw for three years, had a heart,
>> and in his own way loved Nat, and would have never left her
>> on that damn floor!!! THAT IS THE ONE THING that's always
>> pissed me off with "Last Knight".
>
> Hunh. Look at it this way---Nick thought Nat was dead. Nick wanted
> Lacroix to stake him so that he could join her, both in the afterlife
> and on that particular bit of floor. How much more romantic to find
> the two corpses entwined than finding one on a sofa and the other over
> there by the fireplace!
>
> Nancy Kaminski
>

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Date:    Wed, 2 Jun 2010 00:10:53 EDT
From:    Nickis Mom <Nickismom1228@a.......>
Subject: Re: Last Knight

I think exactly the same thing.  I wrote several fics that start off  from
just that place.

Jeannie


In a message dated 6/1/2010 4:13:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
wdoherty5@c....... writes:

we find  out that Nat isn't dead,
LC didn't stake Nick, or Nick survived the  staking, and we
all get back on track.  Why, I'll bet Tracy even  survived, "the
reports of her death were greatly exaggerated".

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Date:    Wed, 2 Jun 2010 00:19:01 -0400
From:    Deborah Hymon <debh@e.......>
Subject: Re: Last Knight

That's not what I meant; having one on the sofa and one on the floor--NOT a
good thing. I see it ending different.

The final scene could have been filmed with Nat on sofa after Nick picked
her up when he thought she was dead, and carry her there.

LaCroix could have staked him while Nick was kneeling over Nat on the sofa.
I can see LaCroix pulling the stake back, but Nick has put Nat on the sofa,
and is kneeling beside her!

For me, that would have been a more emotional ending--not the damn
floor--that was SOOOOO cold! That final scene, NOT the ending (even though I
didn't like LK), is what has always disturbed and pissed me off--the floor
was so cold.

IMO, Nick would have picked her up, placed her on the sofa, and then went
into his 'dialogue' ending speech to LaCroix; LaCroix then pulling back the
stack--same ending, but one more step into the ending--Nick carrying Nat to
sofa, and then it picks up where we saw it end in LK, with Nick kneeling
beside her. My scene is still romantic, but softer (for lack of another
word) than the harsh/cold LK ending.

Deborah
DeborahAHymon.com


on 6/1/10 11:50 PM, Nancy Kaminski at nancykam@c....... wrote:

> Look at it this way---Nick thought Nat was dead. Nick wanted
> Lacroix to stake him so that he could join her, both in the afterlife
> and on that particular bit of floor. How much more romantic to find
> the two corpses entwined than finding one on a sofa and the other over
> there by the fireplace!

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Date:    Wed, 2 Jun 2010 12:28:52 GMT
From:    Jean <jmtof@j.......>
Subject: Rookie Blue - Ben Bass

Reminder:

 Ben's show (Rookie Blue) airs on ABC in the US on Thursday June 24th

Jean

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Date:    Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:54:32 -0400
From:    meliss9900@a.......
Subject: Re: Last Knight

Vachon probably "lived" as well.  One of the first rules of vampire hunting
is "never take the stake out"



Melissa



-----Original Message-----
From: Nickis Mom <Nickismom1228@a.......>
To: FORKNI-L@l.......
Sent: Tue, Jun 1, 2010 11:10 pm
Subject: Re: [FORKNI-L] Last Knight


I think exactly the same thing.  I wrote several fics that start off  from
ust that place.

eannie


n a message dated 6/1/2010 4:13:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
doherty5@c....... writes:
we find  out that Nat isn't dead,
C didn't stake Nick, or Nick survived the  staking, and we
ll get back on track.  Why, I'll bet Tracy even  survived, "the
eports of her death were greatly exaggerated".

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