FORKNI-L
Digest - 4 May 2010 to 5 May 2010 (#2010-84)
Wed, 5 May 2010
There are 6 messages totalling 143 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Last Knight (2)
2. Episode Discussion: Last Knight
3. Last Knight ending (3)
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Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 21:08:41 -0400
From: Ramona Jackson <lexyladyjax@g.......>
Subject: Re: Last Knight
5) how ever much this episode is a heart-wrencher, I do credit the creative
> staff with not flinching when crafting the ending. Forever Knight without
> Last Knight would not be the same. It would be like watching The
> Professional and having Leon not get killed by Stansfield at the end.
>
> Tim
>
Agreed. There are many times this episode of this series is referred to in
conversations and online as the worst ending ever, in terms of being
horrific to the characters, as well as being memorable in terms of not being
'happily ever after.' (That sentence got away from me a bit.)
In spite of having no closure and having that dreadful ending, I'm a bit
proud of FK for that.
Mona
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Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 18:49:31 -0700
From: Amanda Berendt <debrabant_foundation@y.......>
Subject: Re: Last Knight
I'm actually glad of the ambigious ending. Thank Ger for that. The original
script actually showed the staking.
The way Ger chose to shoot it let the fans take from it what they wanted. Those
who wanted to could believe that LC didn't actually stake Nick (and some fic has
done great work following that line) and then those who believe that LC did kill
Nick can believe that as well. It works both ways.
-Amanda
"This dark gift brings enlightened sight, as if the sun's bright rays illuminate
sweet mortal forms to take my breath away."
http://www.darksideoftheglass.com
http://lestat.darksideoftheglass.com
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Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 21:45:43 -0500
From: Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: Last Knight
> Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 10:06:25 -0400
> From: "Phillips, Tim" <Tim.Phillips@s.......>
>
> 5) how ever much this episode is a heart-wrencher, I do credit the creative
staff with not flinching when crafting the ending. Forever Knight without Last
Knight would not be the same. It would be like watching The Professional and
having Leon not get killed by Stansfield at the end.
And then of course there are those of us who think Last Knight was
completely the wrong ending. I don't think it was the creative staff; I
think it was just James Parriott. I think it was his protest against
what the powers at USA network had done to his creation.
Margie
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Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 13:04:23 -0400
From: Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Last Knight ending
Here's what we heard at the time from various sources who were in a position to
know. Also, I have a copy of the script. James Parriott wrote the ending with
Nick and Nat unambiguously dead. The last thing we would have seen was the
stake descending.
Ger, who was directing, took the last shot out of the script. Parriott put in
back end. This may have happened more than once. Finally Parriott flew to
Toronto to be at the final shoot and make sure his ending was filmed.
Someone called Sony at that point. We never knew who. Sony called the set just
before the final scene was shot and insisted on the ambiguous ending.
Catherine Disher had done a little movement at the end of Nick's drinking from
her, hoping to indicate that Nat wasn't dead. I don't think that made it to the
final version, probably on Parriott's order.
Personally I hated Last Knight as written, because I wanted to see an ending
that left what really happened to the viewer's interpretation. I'm glad we got
it.
McLisa
mclisa@m.......
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Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 13:14:23 -0400
From: Deborah Hymon <debh@e.......>
Subject: Re: Last Knight ending
Lisa, I totally agree with you...also, it allowed many wonderful fan
fictions...for me the N&N faction, but others could go with whatever they
hoped had happened!!! :-)
Deborah A. Hymon
deborah@d.......
on 5/5/10 1:04 PM, Lisa McDavid at mclisa@m....... wrote:
>
> Personally I hated Last Knight as written, because I wanted to see an ending
> that left what really happened to the viewer's interpretation. I'm glad we
> got it.
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Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 14:37:38 -0400
From: "Phillips, Tim" <Tim.Phillips@s.......>
Subject: Re: Last Knight ending
>Here's what we heard at the time from various sources who were in a position to
know.
I wonder if the fact that the sun is rising at the end of the episode was a
deliberate piece of symbology...or if someone just grabbed one of the sun over
Toronoto clips at random. Symbolically, the sunrise would mean the literal end
of Nick's forever night....or it could in fact symbolize the end of the Forever
Knight television show itself.
> Sony called the set just before the final scene was shot and insisted
> on the ambiguous ending.
The ambiguous ending makes sense for Sony to want.
With an ambiguous ending, they could more easily restart the series if the
weird winds of network broadcast meant there was a request for it the following
season.
Not terribly likely...but FK had clawed up out of the grave before.
> Personally I hated Last Knight as written, because I wanted to see an
> ending that left what really happened to the viewer's interpretation. I'm
glad we got it.
Yes, this ending works better.
I personally think LaCroix staked Nick...but what happened then???
A Very Happy Halloween was my answer.
Others have provided their alternatives.
The written ending would have been more stark...but I do not think it would
have worked as well. There was always an element of hope winning out I the end
as a undercurrent in FK.
Tim
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