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Digest - 25 Jul 2008 to 29 Jul 2008 (#2008-176)

Tue, 29 Jul 2008

There are 5 messages totalling 286 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

   1. Forsaken Fandom Awards
   2. Episode Discussion: Curiouser And Curiouser (3)
   3. Episode Discussion Scheduling: Beyond The Law

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Date:    Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:56:39 -0700
From:    "Amy R." <akr@l.......>
Subject: Forsaken Fandom Awards

[I'm on digest, and no digests have dropped since Friday.  Has anyone
posted about this already?]

First, a word of caution.  I do not know the people running this
project, and neither do the friends I asked.  The moderators of this
community are strangers.

That said, there is a project called "The Forsaken Fandom Awards"
(http://community.livejournal.com/forsaken_fandom/).  Their goal is
to encourage fiction in fandoms that have few or no active awards
projects of their own.  This includes us: FK fandom.  This is their
second round; stories from the past three years are eligible.  In
their previous round, few FK authors were nominated, none of whom
post to fkfic-l these days, if I'm interpreting correctly (Fenris,
Nancy W., and a Mel M. whom I think is not our Mel M.), though a
special WIP award went to Lisa S., who posted part of a story to the list.

I learned of the project last week, when someone kindly nominated my
"Starwort" from earlier this year.  A moderator emailed me, asking
whether I would give permission for them to list the story and link
to it on my site; without my asking, they promised not to post my
email address and not to repost my story.  I spent a week hoping to
find someone who knew them; I failed, but emailed back and gave
permission anyway.

As this active awards project includes FK, we can certainly
participate.  And it's downright silly for "Starwort" to be the lone
FK nomination, which it apparently is at the moment.  Nancy K., Ell,
PJ, Jarvinia, Elena, Kristen, and many others have posted excellent
new FK fiction in the designated period!

Again, I'm not acquainted with the moderators, and that makes me
anxious.  (I'm a Knightie; I angst.)  But encouraging more FK
fanfiction is a worthy goal.  So here's their posted schedule:
     - Nominations: July 11, 2008 to August 15, 2008
     - Voting & Judging: August 16, 2008 to September 20, 2008
     - Winners Announced & Banners Posted: September 27, 2008

An overview with links to their rules is on their LiveJournal profile
(http://community.livejournal.com/forsaken_fandom/profile).  You do
not have to have a LJ account to participate in nominating or voting,
but if you don't, they will verify your email address before counting
your contribution.

That's all I know.  If someone else knows more, by all means...?

Amy R.
akr@l.......
FK Site: http://users.LMI.net/akr/fk/
FK Blog: http://brightknightie.livejournal.com/

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Date:    Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:30:12 -0400
From:    "Phillips, Tim" <Tim.Phillips@s.......>
Subject: Episode Discussion: Curiouser And Curiouser

1) Natalie would be devastated if she knew that Nick went to Janette
"seeking shelter from the storm" instead of her.

2) it is a nice touch the way the glass Nick is holding changes from
blood to wine to signal the entrance into "the rabbit hole"

3) I notice in this viewing that the Crime Scene lights at CERK are
using a pink bulb instead of the normal stark white.  Anyone remember
that being the case in any other episode???

4) Cohen-Cleavage.  OK, shoot me.  I'm a guy.  I notice.  I appreciate.

5) Anybody remember if caterpillars were an "in thing" for really little
kids when FK was made?  We've got two caterpillar toys in the Loft and I
think it was a green caterpillar that was accidentally left in a shot
with Catherine Disher a few episodes back.

6) Ger's expression at realizing that there is a baby in the Loft..and
it is probably his is really, really good.  Totally sells the emotion.

7) Huh, I think all the lights in the Loft are now pink.  Definitely the
lamp beside the couch is a shade of red/pink I don't remember and the
overheads above the staircase also seem to have a pinkish shade in this
scene.

8) Schanke with a pocket watch?  I remember him wearing a wrist-watch
before.  Isn't there a character in Alice In Wonderland, a rabbit who is
obsessed with time and always being late??

9) I love the way that Natalie steps out into the hallway after telling
Nick to get inside "this dress isn't for public consumption".  No one
has seen her, yet.  By stepping out into the hall, she is getting the
thrill of maybe someone does see her...and the attractive man she's got
stopping by.

10) more pink lights at Natalie's place.

11) I could be wrong, but I think the chess-set at Natalie's is the
characters from Alice In Wonderland?  I can see what I would call a Mad
Hatter for the Queen's Bishop, the pawns look like rabbits and the queen
looks like a young girl (Alice?)

12) "single malt, there really is nothing quite like it."  I like the
artistry of this line.  To me, the stereotypical woman does not drink
whiskey neat, she is a wine drinker.  If Natalie had offered Nick wine
and commented on the bouquet...it would have increased the feminine
aspect of the character.  By having her drinking a "manly drink" like
neat whiskey (with what appears to be relish) and comment on it, they
reminded us in a single line that this very feminine character
(especially in that dress with those ear-rings and makeup and hair) is
also a metropolitan homicide Captain who can "keep up the boys" whenever
she wishes.
Janette, a beleaguered housewife with a child, is by comparison, a very
"unpowerful" looking character (quite the reverse of the characters'
basic roles in the normal FK universe).

13) interesting hand-gesture that Ger does when he is babbling about
"Cohen...Amanda" at Natalie's apartment.  I wonder if he planned that
gesture...or if is just what his hands did on instinct?

14) is the painting above the fireplace in Natalie's apartment
significant?  Ger keeps standing just to one side of it as if he was
asked to keep it in frame with him and not obscure it.

15) I like the puzzled look Nick has after he's kissed Cohen at the
Raven.  He would normally kiss Janette under the circumstances - to
thank her for her help - so he instinctively kisses Amanda...but then
remembers that he is in fact kissing Amanda and not Janette....and can't
figure out if that is a bad thing or - give how she isn't disturbed by
it - the normal way he says "thank you for your help".

16) how the heck did they get the painting on the wall in the Raven (the
one behind the bar Nick gets thrown over by LaCroix) past the censers?
Wardrobe-malfunction my foot... 'Course, I don't believe I noticed that
one until this particular viewing.

Mmmm...was this painting and Cohen's attire (the very low cut dress with
the massive necklace that draws so much attention to her cleavage) an
attempt to symbolize the "motherly" nature of Amanda's character in this
version?  The adult feminine balance to LaCroix's masculine presence in
Nick's mind?

17) I never realized that the guy with the shotgun in the beginning
scene at the Raven was wearing a Walrus mask until Mr. Bennet pointed it
out in the commentary track.


		Tim

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Date:    Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:31:18 -0400
From:    "Phillips, Tim" <Tim.Phillips@s.......>
Subject: Episode Discussion Scheduling: Beyond The Law

Beyond the Law is the next episode up.
Tuesday August 12th, 2008 is the day.
	Tim
	Coordinator of the 2008 Forever Knight DVD Syndication.

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Date:    Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:25:14 +0200
From:    CousinLucilla <cousinlucilla@f.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: Curiouser And Curiouser

Am 29.07.2008 um 14:30 schrieb Phillips, Tim:

> 1) Natalie would be devastated if she knew that Nick went to Janette
> "seeking shelter from the storm" instead of her.

   Nick always runs to Janette - Nat must have been blind not to
notice that over the years. And IMHO she knows.

> 4) Cohen-Cleavage.  OK, shoot me.  I'm a guy.  I notice.  I  appreciate.

I liked her in that outfit as well (sans hair-do) - and I'm a girl ;-)

>
> 8) Schanke with a pocket watch?  I remember him wearing a wrist-watch
> before.  Isn't there a character in Alice In Wonderland, a rabbit  who is
> obsessed with time and always being late??

Maybe that is exactly his function in this ep. He's the stickler for
rules just like the White Rabbit.

Don the Bunny, muahahah (sorry)
>


> 11) I could be wrong, but I think the chess-set at Natalie's is the
> characters from Alice In Wonderland?  I can see what I would call a  Mad
> Hatter for the Queen's Bishop, the pawns look like rabbits and the  queen
> looks like a young girl (Alice?)

I haven't re-watched but I remember this too. Incredible attention to
detail in this ep. Marvelous.


> >>> By having her drinking a "manly drink" ... that this very
> feminine character
> ) is also a metropolitan homicide Captain who can "keep up the
> boys" whenever
> she wishes.
> Janette, a beleaguered housewife with a child, is by comparison, a  very
> "unpowerful" looking character (quite the reverse of the characters'
> basic roles in the normal FK universe)

Not quite, since Nat is definitely not "unpowerful" in regular FKverse

>
> 14) is the painting above the fireplace in Natalie's apartment
> significant?  Ger keeps standing just to one side of it as if he was
> asked to keep it in frame with him and not obscure it.

It's a standard impressionist I believe. A bit too "romantic" for
tough Cap. Lambert, IMHO.
(But maybe that's because I don't like impressionist painting)


>
> 16) how the heck did they get the painting on the wall in the Raven  (the
> one behind the bar Nick gets thrown over by LaCroix) past the censers?
> Wardrobe-malfunction my foot... 'Course, I don't believe I noticed  that
> one until this particular viewing.

I think it's there in other eps as well. I may be wrong but a pair of
boobs is neither shocking or unusual
   to see on TV in Europe so I wouldn't notice. And wasn't FK a late-
night thing anyway?


Doris

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Date:    Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:48:46 -0400
From:    "Phillips, Tim" <Tim.Phillips@s.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: Curiouser And Curiouser

> "unpowerful" looking character (quite the reverse of the characters'
> basic roles in the normal FK universe)
> Not quite, since Nat is definitely not "unpowerful" in regular FKverse
	"unpowerful" is probably too strong a phrase.
	I was trying to convey that the relative powers/attractions of
the two women is inverted in this "mirror universe".
	In the normal FK world, Janette is a wealthy, extremely
attractive vampiress who runs her own dance club.  Natalie is a
civil-servant who is prone to baseball caps while "hacking up dead
bodies" for a living.
	In Curiouser and Curiouser, Janette is a frazzeled housewife and
Natalie is the Captain (a position of considerable authority that takes
a lot of hardwork and skill to obtain) who is dressed to thrill and
"exciting".

> It's a standard impressionist I believe. A bit too "romantic" for
> tough Cap. Lambert, IMHO.
	Works better than Frazetta's Death Dealer though.

	Tim


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