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Digest - 15 Jul 2008 to 16 Jul 2008 (#2008-168)
Wed, 16 Jul 2008
There are 6 messages totalling 271 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Episode Discussion: The Fix
2. FKFans on Fanhistory.com
3. Natalie's niece...? (2)
4. Matching actors to characters (2)
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:29:35 -0400
From: Walt Doherty <wdoherty5@c.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: The Fix
1. Day for Night
Whenever you return to the show from a commercial break or from a
blackout (the DVDs), you get these wonderful flying, airborne shots
of the downtown Toronto high-rise buildings, often with the CN Tower
in the background. Frequently the establishing shot will be a night
shot of the building used for the Division's offices. These all help
to reinforce the 'night' part of "Forever Knight".
A fascinating thing about "The Fix" is that these establishing shot
are mostly reversed; that is, they use daylight shots of these
buildings whereas in all the other episodes these were nightime
shots. A nice touch which reinforces the idea of Nick being active
during the day and in the sun.
I would like to claim I noticed this first off, but it didn't hit my
eye until I had watched the DVD several times.
2. Schanke
John Kapelos deserves more credit than he is usually given. One of
my favorite scenes in this episode is when Nick meets with Schanke on
the Lake shore in the sunlight. Nick looks 'different' and Schanke
says 'Did you get your haircut?'. Poor, sweet, totally oblivious Don
just doesn't get it that Nick is standing in broad daylight.
In most situations the character would end up looking totally dumb,
stupid, and incorrigibly irritating, but Kapelos carries it off,
keeping Don interesting and sympathetic.
3. Enlightening Lunch
The expressions on Vincetti's face during 'lunch' are priceless. I
don't know who's better in this scene: Vincetti or Schanke.
4. Speaking of daylight hours
Nick, Schanke, Natalie, et al. are all on the night shift. So,
presumably when Natalie gives Nick the lytobuterine (sp?), it's early
morning just after his shift has ended.
So, how come he, and Schanke for all that, keep going as if it were
a normal daytime schedule? When they interview Vincetti at lunch,
this would be the equivalent of a very late midnight snack for us.
5. Credit for Credits
The pretty thing who pases Nick and Schanke on the street and who
gives Nick the eye while his tongue hangs out of his mouth dragging
on the sidewalk. This deserves listing in the credits?
Walt Doherty
Phoenix, AZ
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:22:46 -0700
From: "Susan M. Garrett" <susanmgarrett@e.......>
Subject: FKFans on Fanhistory.com
I have a list of FKfans who are on the awards page but who are
showing up in red. Red means they don't have an article on
Fanhistory.com . . . or I have them listed on the awards page in a
way that does not match their fanfistory.com listing.
If you or someone you know is on this list and you/they have a
fanhistory.com article, can you send me the correct name so that I
can link the awards page properly.
If you or someone you know is on the list and wants to be on
fanhistory.com, I'll set up a page for you, which you can fill out in
your leisure.
If you or someone you know doesn't want to be on fanhistory.com or
wants to be there under a fan name or something, let me know so that
I can remove the name from the awards page or put in initials or
something for you.
List as follows:
A.C. Chapin
Amie LaRouche
Amy R.
Annie Raper
April Hackett
Barbara Erickson
Cagey
Calla Puerro
Chana Rossman
Cheryl Barnes
Christine Hantzopulos Hunt
Cindy Ingram
Cousin Shelley
Denise Underwood
Diane Echelbarger
Dianne T. DeSha
Dorothy Elggren
Edith Spencer
Elfin (M J Hughes)
Ellen Ashton-Haiste
Erika Wilson
Fenris
Gehirn Karies
Illinois Jules (aka Julie Swendsen)
Imajiru
Jaime L. Kohles
JL Kerr
Joni Goad (aka Blusette de Nuit)
Judith Freudenthal
Kate Keene
Kelly Green
Knightstar
laudon
Laurie Schlagel
Leslie GrantSmith
Libby Singleton
Lisa a.k.a. Knightowl
Lorelei E. Sieja
Lori Dehn
Lynn Messing
Mary Combs
Mary Combs
Mary Lou Manzie
Maxime Laboy
Mel Moser
Molly Schneider
Nancy Taylor
Nancy W.
Patt Elmore
Rosemary Beard (NiteRose)
Sandra Gray
Sarah Baker
Soulseeker
Stephanie S. Babbitt
StormyNite
Susan Nix
Ted Atkinson
The Lurkers
Tyra Mitchell
Valerie Meachum
Vampwrtr
Virginia Wilcox
You know where to find me!
Susan M. Garrett
susanmgarrett@e.......
"Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies."
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Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:46:47 -0700
From: "Amy R." <akr@l.......>
Subject: Re: Natalie's niece...?
There have been a few posts lately asking for the names of
middling-to-minor characters, like Amy Lambert from "I Will Repay"
and Cynthia Lambert Luce from "Undue Process." I thought I'd
mention the FK Character Directory that I've been working on for a
few years now ( http://users.lmi.net/akr/fk/faq/directory.htm
). It's alphabetical by first name, and includes every character
ever named aloud, or in the credits after first season (if the credit
can be confidently matched to a person on screen). I believe it's
easy to search, using a browser's "Find" function. It's complete up
to "Night in Question" so far. I will finish it, but have not just
yet for the typical reason that third season can be an emotional
slog; still, I'm getting there.
In parallel to that list of people, I've been working on a list of
the places and things unique to the FK universe (
http://users.lmi.net/akr/fk/faq/places.htm ). It is also complete up
to NiQ, so far, and it's my favorite. These are tidbits that can
really make a story pop. I find them tremendously fun.
And of course there are the character FAQs (
http://users.lmi.net/akr/fk/faq/ ) that I originally made in '97.
They are all intended to be of use to people writing FK fanfiction.
Amy R., Knightie
akr@l.......
FK Site: http://users.lmi.net/akr/fk/
FK Blog: http://brightknightie.livejournal.com/
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Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 04:50:31 -0400
From: "S. Babbitt" <sbabbitt@b.......>
Subject: Re: Natalie's niece...?
Amy R. wrote:
> I thought I'd mention the FK Character Directory that I've been
> working on for a few years now (
> http://users.lmi.net/akr/fk/faq/directory.htm ).
This (and its locations companion) are absolutely wonderful, Amy! I
can only imagine how much time it must have taken to assemble. It's
very generous of you to share it with the rest of the fandom; it
certainly will be a handy tool for fanfic writers!
That's something I've always appreciated about FK fandom. The wank
level is relatively low, and folks have always been willing (and
often eager) to share their toys, so to speak, with other fans. I'm
glad to see this fandom still going strong after all these years, and
I'm even gladder to still be a part of it!
--
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Stephanie Babbitt (sbabbitt@b.......), Atlanta, GA
Vaquera (Because I Can), MadNatter, N&NPacker
Nobody Dies. Nobody Ever Died.
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Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 06:22:36 -0400
From: Greer Watson <gwatson2@r.......>
Subject: Re: Matching actors to characters
On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 Kristen Fife wrote:
> I've often found that Loftworks does a good job of listing out most
> of the actors:
> http://loftworks.com/FK/Episodes/episode_guide.html
> You may need to cross reference w/ IMDB.
Kristen, thanks for the Loftworks tip: it means that I've been able to add
another couple of actors' names. (And anyone associated with Loftworks
might want to update, since I've got even more names that they don't have.)
IMDB has been my main source of info. Besides the featured actors whose
names are usually cited, I've been able to fill in from the following:
a) second season episodes with clips from the first season. Oddly, the
names of the actors in the clips are sometimes given under the second season
ep, even when not listed under the original story.
b) episodes with kids. If an actor's date of birth indicates that they
were a child at the time the episode was filmed, then logic says....
c) pix of the actors, which IMDB occasionally has. Or if I can find a
picture elsewhere on the Web (though it's remarkable how few of the minor
actors from the show do actually have photos posted). I can then use
Nancy's invaluable Episode Archive, going through and checking faces.
d) recognition.
Of course, there are still a few parts that I'd like to be able to give the
actor's name for.
Which reminds me: I missed asking the name of the murderer in "Love You to
Death". The character, not the actor. Anyone remember?
Greer
gwatson2@r.......
http://ca.geocities.com/gwatson2@rogers.com/index.html
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Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:12:42 -0400
From: Michele Azuddin <mobody@g.......>
Subject: Re: Matching actors to characters
On 7/16/08, Greer Watson <gwatson2@r.......> wrote:
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> c) pix of the actors, which IMDB occasionally has. Or if I can find a
> picture elsewhere on the Web (though it's remarkable how few of the minor
> actors from the show do actually have photos posted). I can then use
> Nancy's invaluable Episode Archive, going through and
Its not really that strange. IMDB charges a fee to post the pictures.
Minor characters, or walk ons might not have the money to spend on it. Tho
IMDB is an amazing resource for film/television information.
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