FORKNI-L
Digest - 25 Nov 2007 to 26 Nov 2007 (#2007-125)
Mon, 26 Nov 2007
There are 11 messages totalling 430 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. FK Holiday Card Exchange: Last Call
2. OOOOOPS!
3. Moonlight vs FK
4. ADMIN: FORKNI-L Rules (and more)
5. Disappointing parallels
6. No Comparison!!!--Re: Moonlight vs FK (2)
7. Episode Discussion Scheduling: A Fate Worse Than Death
8. Admin: No more Moonlight on here
9. Admin: Moonlight/FK list sign-up
10. FK Remembered
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Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:29:10 -0600
From: eowyn23@j.......
Subject: FK Holiday Card Exchange: Last Call
Hi Y'all!
Just a reminder that today, November 25 is the deadline to
join in the FUN on the FK Holiday Card Exchange. I need your name,
snail mail address, email address, the holidays you celebrate and any
special instructions (such as no confetti, no e-cards, etc.) asap. Send
the info to eowyn23@j......., please not to the list.
The list will go out to the participants in the exchange tomorrow evenin!
Thanks to all who have joined already! And thanks to Libs for reposting
the info earlier this week!
Terri
eowyn23@j.......
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Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:38:39 -0600
From: eowyn23@j.......
Subject: OOOOOPS!
Hi Y'all!
That message to Deborah was supposed to go privately! I checked all the
other addresses but I guess I missed this one. Wouldn't you know the one
I missed was the one I should've checked and changed! My deepest
apologies to Deborah.
Terri
eowyn23@j.......
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Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:25:07 -0500
From: Ramona Jackson <lexyladyjax@g.......>
Subject: Re: Moonlight vs FK
>
> Moonlight just doesn't have the writing, the acting, or even the directing
> for me. I can't help but compare it with better vampire series of the
> past. I also can't stop watching, for me it's like a train wreck, I can't
> look away because I have hopes that things might improve...Friday evenings
> are usually pretty barren anyway for television. Did I just write that out
> loud? Blood Ties is good, other than that I'm bored on Friday nights when I
> look up from my homework. I keep comparing the Coraline character to
> LaCroix, and she comes up as a similar plot device: Mick killed her and she
> came back to his surprise...but she has a cure! Oops, she's staked. Now
> will Mick bring her across? Shades of Human Factor, as Cindy said.
Now *he's* gonna be searching for a cure. Where've we seen that before?
Dark Shadows, Nick Knight, Forever Knight.
Sorry, Moonlight fans, but I calls them as I sees 'em.
Ramona
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Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:12:15 -0500
From: Don Fasig <argent@c.......>
Subject: ADMIN: FORKNI-L Rules (and more)
I hope everyone had a wonderful holiday weekend and didn't have to
loosen belts too much.
A couple of reminders - please remember the quote limit (rule number
two) no more than four lines at a time. Also, let's try to keep it
positive up-beat.
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Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:21:52 -0500
From: Naia Zifu <naia_zifu@b.......>
Subject: Re: Disappointing parallels
I wasn't disappointed 'cause there were similarities to FK eps, I was
disappointed that they still didn't properly explain what was going on with
Coraline! Not only do we not know how she escaped death, but we don't know
how she is human (or masquerading as one so well if she's not really one).
But I guess that's something for a later ep. I do hope she doesn't die for
real this time, though, whether she's a human or a vampire. She's not as
creepy as LC, nor does she ooze sex like Janette, but I think she does a
fair job mixing some traits of the two. If she stays around, she could turn
out to be an interesting chara.
In the restaurant scene at the beginning I kept waiting for the "bloody"
catsup, but they didn't go there. Ah well. I wonder if there's some sort
of elaborate ritual in this show to make vampires human again, like FK's
thing with the cups or any of the other lamebrain schemes they made up
there?
Naia Zifu (naia_zifu@b.......)
http://www.geocities.com/naia_zifu
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Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:40:19 -0500
From: Deborah Hymon <debh@e.......>
Subject: No Comparison!!!--Re: Moonlight vs FK
Okay, I'm probably posting more quote lines than allowed, but I'm responding
to several issues that include all the posts.
I've been lurking, and really think in my opinion, several of the recent
posts referring to Moonlight are not appropriate to this group. THIS IS A FK
group and some of the posts are about ML without reference to FK. With that
said, I want to share my own thoughts. <LOL>
First, I want to agree with Libby, I agree with her post " Disappointing
Parallels " Posted 11/24: If we are going to bash Moonlight and the people
behind it, then we need to bash Forever Knight for ripping of the vampire
detective idea from PN Elrod and several other writers whose books were
completed before FK. Point being, ideas are often similar and there's a
saying in the writing world that no ideas are identical.
Amen, Libby!!! THANK YOU!!! Why can't everyone just watch each vampire show
or read a vampire novel and take it for what it is? Honestly, when I first
saw Forever Knight, I thought, Hmmmm, been there, read that, but this is a
good TV show, and I watched it without comparing! The ENTIRE FOREVER KNIGHT
SHOW WAS NOT NEW to me; had read similar things before seeing FK!
Also, as I writer, let me tell you, there's only 7 basic plots. Honestly,
without going into an entire writing lecture, no matter what the genre,
there's basically only 7 plot lines, and they are the same 7 in each genre.
You ask, then why do so many books seem to be different? Because, it's how
the author spins their own tale of the 7 basic plots, and tells the story in
their own voice (each writer has their own style, and it's call the
'writer's voice').
There are many original spins on those plots, and would you believe, most
are taken from children's fairy tales? Think about it! If you changed the
names and species (the wolf in Little Red Riding Hood or The Three Little
Pigs) of the basic fairy tales, and renamed the characters with human names,
and changed a few things, then the tale would be your typical fantasy or
romance novel!!! Think Cinderella, Snow White, and Beauty & the Beast!!!
With that said, Forever Knight was a wonderful TV show, and my all time
favorite. But, that doesn't mean it was an original-creative masterpiece;
far from it.
Moonlight must be viewed as something entirely different. Tonight I had a
thought concerning the two shows, Forever Knight and Moonlight. Consider
them two children. We love each, but in different ways, without loving one
more than the other. We accept each child for who they are, the uniqueness
they are, and should never compare them to their sibling! It's a very simple
concept, if you love vampires, then you should appreciate the novels and TV
shows with vampires, and never compare.
I teethed on Dark Shadows as a kid, and saw the similarities between
Barnabas and Nick Knight, but that didn't stop me from enjoying each show
for what they offered to the fan!
Perhaps we should all, STOP COMPARING, AND WATCH MOONLIGHT AND BLOOD TIES,
FOR WHAT THEY HAVE TO OFFER, but never forget our love for Forever Knight!!!
I personally think it's wonderful that we now have two great shows to fill
our vampire desires, even if personally, I enjoy one more than the other.
<Big Grin>
It's been over 10 years since the end of FK. I never was a Ger groupie, but
Ger's talent made me fall in love with Nick Knight. Ger brought the
character to life, and made me totally believe Nick Knight was real! WOW,
the power of an actor making one believe--Yep, that's talent!!! Since then,
I've flown to D.C. several times to see Ger on stage. Why? Because any actor
who can make me believe there's an 800 year old, blonde vampire, living in
Toronto and working as a homicide detective, certainly has me enthralled
with his acting ability!!!
My advice, for what it's worth--watch the new shows, Moonlight and Blood
Ties, with an open mind. Stop comparing, and be thankful that we now have
not one, but two, vampire shows for our indulgence!
WOW! This is more than I've ever posted here. <LOL>
A eternal vampire fan,
Deborah
DeborahAHymon.com
on 11/25/07 7:25 PM, Ramona Jackson at lexyladyjax@g....... wrote:
>>
>> Moonlight just doesn't have the writing, the acting, or even the directing
>> for me. I can't help but compare it with better vampire series of the
>> past.
Blood Ties is good, other than that I'm bored on Friday nights when I
>> look up from my homework. I keep comparing the Coraline character to
>> LaCroix,
> Now *he's* gonna be searching for a cure. Where've we seen that before?
> Dark Shadows, Nick Knight, Forever Knight.
>
> Sorry, Moonlight fans, but I calls them as I sees 'em.
>
> Ramona
>
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Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:29:56 -0700
From: Walt <wdoherty5@c.......>
Subject: Re: No Comparison!!!--Re: Moonlight vs FK
From: "Deborah Hymon" <debh@e.......>
It's been over 10 years since the end of FK. I never was a Ger groupie, but
Ger's talent made me fall in love with Nick Knight. Ger brought the
character to life, and made me totally believe Nick Knight was real! WOW,
the power of an actor making one believe--Yep, that's talent!!!
Ah, yes. I can't begin to tell you how that resonates with me
(but I'm gonna try).
I am an basically a skeptic, I like these shows because they are
entertaining, sometimes clever, sometimes cute, whatever.
But basically, the "willing suspension of disbelief" eludes
me. I know that I am sitting in my bedroom looking at an
actor in a TV show. If the camera were to be pulled back
10 feet, we'd see all sorts of people standing around.
I was watching an episode of FK, and thinking that
I liked it and the representations of detectives was nice
if hardly authentic (if it were real, it'd be 90% paper work,
9% boredom, and 1% action), In other words, I knew
it was GWD playing a vampire detective, and I knew
that GWD was neither a detective nor a vampire.
What GWD did for me, however, was to accept
the fact that just as there are detectives, there are
some who are also vampires. Watching him made
me forget that vampires don't actually exist*.
Man, he's good!
Walt Doherty
Phoenix, AZ
* I have to put that sentence in there if I
want to avoid a visit from the "Enforcers"!
WD
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Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:05:16 -0500
From: "Phillips, Tim" <Tim.Phillips@s.......>
Subject: Episode Discussion Scheduling: A Fate Worse Than Death
The next episode for discussion is season 2 episode 2.
A Fate Worse than Death is the title.
December 4th, 2007 is the date.
Tim
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Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:50:21 -0500
From: Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Admin: No more Moonlight on here
Guys, I'm sorry, but we're getting quite a bit of Moonlight only discussion,
sometimes in the same post with comparison to FK. This isn't the place to talk
about likes and dislikes of Moonlight plots and characters, only how they
compare to FK. So, I'm going to declare a moratorium on Moonlight as a topic, even in
comparison with FK. There are beginning to be Moonlight lists out there and
there's also Vampyres@the-institute.net for general vampire discussion, which
would include both Moonlight and FK.
For everybody who really has only made comparisons, I am sorry to do this.
However, this is the Forever Knight discussion list and only Forever Knight.
Thank you.
McLisa
Listowner, Forkni-l and Fkfic-l
mclisa@m.......
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Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:20:36 -0500
From: Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Admin: Moonlight/FK list sign-up
Here is the url to sign up for the FK/Moonlight list. This list is for *FANS*
of Moonlight, not those who want to ridicule or berate the show or fans. That
doesn't
mean you have to be a die-hard "never say anything negative about the show"
fan. However, the list is meant for fans of both Moonlight and Forever Knight.
http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/FKmoonlight/
To keep down spam, Libby has to approve each member so please be patient. You
also must be 18 or older.
If you have any questions, e-mail Libs at:
Libratsie@sbcglobal.net
McLisa, on behalf of Libs,
mclisa@m.......
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Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:49:24 -0800
From: Laurie of the Isles <laudon1228@y.......>
Subject: FK Remembered
Live Journal user "taibrhrigh" has posted four new
Forever Knight "icons", suitable for Live Journal and
other bloggy type sites. They can be found here:
http://taibhrigh.livejournal.com/224834.html
For those unfamiliar, the etiquette is to comment on
someone's journal if you're taking an icon they have
offered, and to credit the maker when you use it.
The four FK icons are only four among many icons for a
number of other shows, so you have to keep an eye out
as you scroll down. The FK ones are right after icons
for a show called "Dexter".
Laurie of the Isles
<Laudon1228@y.......>
http://1-mad-squirrel.livejournal.com/
Thank you first responders!!!!!
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