There are 10 messages totalling 334 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Disappointing parallels (7) 2. Private: Re: [FORKNI-L] Disappointing parallels 3. holiday card exchange? 4. Oops! Re: [FORKNI-L] Private: Re: [FORKNI-L] Disappointing parallels ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 22:12:40 -0800 From: Kristen Fife <fenix23fyre@y.......> Subject: Disappointing parallels I was watching Moonlight this evening, and (Spoiler alert) ....... ............................................... I was very disappointed with the apparent plotline they took, having Mick's ex come back as a human. It's way too much a direct take off on The Human Factor episode (Season 3)from FK. Much as unrealistic stretch I believed "HF" to be, for it to be blatantly plagiarized is disturbing to say the least. Kristen Fife, Author http://tinyurl.com/2wgmdg In Memory of Tuffer -1/9/02-11/15/07 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 01:28:00 -0500 From: Wendy <w.rigney@v.......> Subject: Re: Disappointing parallels I'd agree if I thought the creators of Moonlight had heard of FK. From all I have read, it doesn't seem to be the case. So it is more than likely a coincidence. Wendy > > Much as unrealistic stretch I believed "HF" to be, for > it to be blatantly plagiarized is disturbing to say > the least. > > Kristen Fife ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 03:46:57 EST From: KnghtWtch@a....... Subject: Re: Disappointing parallels In a message dated 11/24/2007 1:30:09 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, w.rigney@v....... writes: I'd agree if I thought the creators of Moonlight had heard of FK. From all I have read, it doesn't seem to be the case. So it is more than likely a coincidence. Wendy In my humble opinion.......since CBS produces Moonlight now and in 1992 FK's first thirteen episodes, they realized what a error it was for them to cancel FK. So they figured they would bring back a show with the same theme as FK only with different character names and series title. I haven't watched too many of the episodes. I can't seem to get into it. I enjoy Blood Ties more mainly because my husband and I keep watching for scenery background that was used in FK. It's like revisiting FK over again making me want to visit the City of the Knight again soon. KnightWitch ;-]= ForeverKnight diehard, but first and foremost a CaddyWhacker. And now I can prove it!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 04:08:44 -0800 From: RUSTOM DIANA DUBASH <dirus@p.......> Subject: Re: Disappointing parallels In the current episode they also ripped off(or reprised) the film plot of the Gene Hackman film "The Conservation" where the young lovers are trying to murder the unconvenient husband, with the plot twist/misunderstanding of the garbeled overheard conversation of the young conspirators. The ending if different of course. And of course the "Human Factor", vampire becomes human, altough that is not explained as yet. Diana Dubash Cousin and Lurker dirus@p....... Kristen Fife <fenix23fyre@y.......> wrote: I was watching Moonlight this evening, and (Spoiler alert) ....... ............................................... I was very disappointed with the apparent plotline they took, having Mick's ex come back as a human. It's way too much a direct take off on The Human Factor episode (Season 3)from FK. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 06:29:57 -0800 From: Libby Singleton <libratsie@s.......> Subject: Re: Disappointing parallels If we are going to bash Moonlight and the people behind it, then we need to bash Forever Knight for ripping of the vampire detective idea from PN Elrod and several other writers whose books were completed before FK. Point being, ideas are often similar and there's a saying in the writing world that no ideas are identical. Also, to pitch a story or movie, you often have to say such and such happens such as in the movie (insert name of hit movie). I seriously doubt Moonlight has anything to do with FK as far as CBS is concerned. For one thing, the same folks are most likely not at CBS anymore (I could be wrong, but turn over is huge as networks). Secondly, like it or not, Forever Knight was not a huge hit or we'd have had it on DVDs much more quickly (and it would've sold much better). Remember, it was nearly cancelled after all seasons (and was after the third). In the business world, there'd have been no "mistake" in cancelling Forever Knight as it wasn't bringing in the huge money. If they did think so, why not just remake Forever Knight and play on the "known" series? Shows are remade often - look at Star Trek and Battlestar Galactica. Moonlight is Moonlight, Forever Knight is Forever Knight. Two different shows which happen to have come similar concepts but are not the same. Yes, I watch and love them both. I remember people claiming Angel was a FK rip-off and I'm still trying to figure that one out. Back when Kindred was on, there was a person from this list going around to all the Kindred boards claiming fans were stupid, FK was much better than "that stupid Kindred," and all that. I don't want to see that happen again. I love Forever Knight - I also love Moonlight, Angel (especially season 5), Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Dark Shadows, Blood Ties (when I remember to watch it) and so forth. I like a good story and if the main characters happen to be vampires, yipppppeeeee! ;-) I wasn't that keen on Kindred, though it was "okay." Don't get me wrong, it is fine if you don't like Moonlight. I certainly understand. However, please remember a number of us love the show. --Libs ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 06:35:45 -0800 From: Laurie of the Isles <laudon1228@y.......> Subject: Private: Re: [FORKNI-L] Disappointing parallels I don't even watch Moonlight, but thank you for that dose of reality, Libs. Laurie --- Libby Singleton <libratsie@s.......> wrote: > > In the business world, there'd have been no > "mistake" in cancelling Forever Knight as it wasn't > bringing in the huge money. If they did think so, > why not just remake Forever Knight and play on the > "known" series? Shows are remade often - look at > Star Trek and Battlestar Galactica. <snip> > Don't get me wrong, it is fine if you don't like > Moonlight. I certainly understand. However, please > remember a number of us love the show. > > --Libs > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 06:47:52 -0800 From: Libby Singleton <libratsie@s.......> Subject: Re: holiday card exchange? As others may have the same question and the deadline is approaching, I'm going to repost the information. Be sure to send the info to the addy listed in the below information as I am not the one organizing this <g>: Hi Y'all! Just a reminder that this coming Sunday, November 25 is the deadline to join int the FUN on the FK Holiday Card Exchange. I need your name, snail mail address, email address, the holidays you celebrate and any special instructions (such as no confetti, no e-cards, etc.). Send the info to eowyn23@j......., please not to the list. It's been a VERY hectic week for me so if you've already sent your information but haven't received a confirmation email from me, please hang in there! I'll be sending out the confirmations in the next couple of days. Everyone stay safe if you're traveling and have a very Happy Thanksgiving! Terri eowyn23@j....... GWDFC, FK X-Stitcher, Proud Survivor of FK Fic Wars 8-12, Texas Knight Dreamers, Knighties List Owner, Keeper of the FK Birthday List BMTHESPIAN@a....... wrote: I've been busy lately and have missed reading quite a bit of email. I was just wondering if I had missed the Holiday Card Exchange or if it was not being done this year ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 07:30:07 -0800 From: Kristen Fife <fenix23fyre@y.......> Subject: Re: Disappointing parallels Libby, I too love any vampire show that makes it to TV. I liked Angel for vastly different reasons, and I love Blood Ties, most notably because I loved the books Tanya Huff wrote. I thought the Kindred was the unfortunate victim of unhappy circumstance (being that I personally know one of the original creators of the game). As someone who is writing an original vampire novel, I watch/read almost *everything* in the genre I can get my hands on. Moonlight is *not* FK, and if it were any other network, most of us probably wouldn't be so critical. And yes people change at networks, but I have a very hard time believing that people in decision-making programming roles are all gone, and that some remember FK. The plot parallels are just *too* similar, and the episodes I have seen go a bit *beyond* derivative. I guess that was my whole point. > Moonlight is Moonlight, Forever Knight is Forever > Knight. Two different shows which happen to have > come similar concepts but are not the same. Yes, I > watch and love them both. > > Kristen Fife, Author http://tinyurl.com/2wgmdg In Memory of Tuffer -1/9/02-11/15/07 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 08:21:03 -0800 From: Laurie of the Isles <laudon1228@y.......> Subject: Oops! Re: [FORKNI-L] Private: Re: [FORKNI-L] Disappointing parallels Oy, sorry about that. Obviously I meant that to go privately. This is what happens when I post on less than a full cup of coffee. Laurie of the Isles --- Laurie of the Isles <laudon1228@y.......> wrote: > I don't even watch Moonlight, but thank you for that > dose of reality, Libs. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:47:51 -0800 From: Marilyn Teplitz <zeor1@y.......> Subject: Re: Disappointing parallels Am I the only one who collapsed with hysterical laughter last night while watching Moonlight? At the first scene meeting at the outdoor cafe,when Morgan/Coraline did the "try to feed the vampire a french fry," bit I felt it was an in-joke nod-of-respect to FK. All that was missing was the ketchup! Marilyn VaqShaman and terminal Vaquera Who's that blonde guy talking to Vachon? "I'll have a blue moon with a twist." ------------------------------ End of FORKNI-L Digest - 23 Nov 2007 to 24 Nov 2007 (#2007-123) ***************************************************************
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