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Digest - 10 Oct 2007 to 11 Oct 2007 (#2007-84)

Thu, 11 Oct 2007

There are 9 messages totalling 257 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Janette, casting, 3rd season (2)
  2. How Libs discovered FK was: Re: Episode: If Looks Could Kill - Janette
  3. Knight's Hearts
  4. FORKNI-L Digest - 9 Oct 2007 to 10 Oct 2007 (#2007-83)
  5. Moonlight (2)
  6. If Nicks a brick, what is Mick?
  7. Moonlight - toothsome?

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Date:    Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:11:47 -0700
From:    Walt <wdoherty5@c.......>
Subject: Re: Janette, casting, 3rd season

I mention this because it tells us a lot about USA's executives and their
mindsets. The idea that they _had_ minds is of course debatable, or maybe
they were simply out of them. :)
>
> mclisa

Considering all the uncertainties that happen in getting a TV show on the
air in the first place, it's a wonder that any get on at all, let alone any
with any sort of intelligence and merit.

USA Network was/is in the position of being in business to make money and
their "suggestions" were an attempt to guarantee this.  Most TV series are
in the unfortunate position of having to listen to network executives and/or
bean counters who have no knowledge of what the series is or why people like
it; i.e., the golden rule: he who has the gold, makes the rules.  Heaven
forefend that these network types listen to the people who actually know
what they are doing (the actors, the production staff, etc.) and the fans
who watch the thing.

It can get pretty depressing, but there are a few lights:  Forever Knight
was on three years - a lot longer than some series.  And, even at its worst,
it was pretty good and never really quite "dumb".

But, in all honesty, to consider Deborah DuChene not sexy enough?  Hey, she
could get a gay man's blood going!

Walt Doherty
Phoenix, AZ

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Date:    Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:09:52 -0700
From:    Libby Singleton <libratsie@s.......>
Subject: How Libs discovered FK was: Re: Episode: If Looks Could Kill - Janette

First off, does anyone else have interesting or bizarre stories of discovering
 Forever Knight? I'd love to hear them.

  Lisa asked if I'm on too much pain medication and said she'd let me explain.
 I've told this before, but I know we have some new blood *snigger* and some of
 the "vintage" fans love the story, I'm told.

  I didn't watch FK until the third season, although I definitely knew about it
 as fellow members of the Little Rock Science Fiction Society  talked about it.
 Right before third season started, I was in my second serious car wreck in 18
 months (I want to stress - NOT my fault) which seriously injured my back and
 neck (again). Since I'd done well on valium 18 months before, I was immediately
 put on it again.

Fast forward a few days when the sci fi club meets at my house. A couple asks
 if we can please watch FK as it was the third season premiere and there were
 going to be changes they were curious to see. Being a vampire fan, I didn't
 object. I liked what I saw, though I didn't understand why the "already fans"
 missed Schanke.

  So, the next Saturday I turned on the show again. Unknown to anyone at the
 time, the valium wasn't processing through me - it was building up. I was on a
 major high and no one had figured that out yet. When Screed first came into the
 picture, I thought he was about the coolest thing I'd EVER seen on television,
 in movies, in real life... The guy ate RATS, how much cooler can you get than
 that??? <wRPg>

  I even called (or had my ex call, I don't remember) the couple who'd
 introduced myself to the show to find out if they had any of Screed's earlier
 episodes taped. I was very disappointed to find out he was a new character.

  A bit later, my ex and I were at an Oklahoma sci fi convention where I met
 some FORKNI-L folks (who later supplied me with seasons 1-2), got to see Schanke
 for the first time in an episode in the video room, and found out PN Elrod was
 a fan who was writing a book with Nigel Bennett. She handed me a flyer for
 Bridging the Knight. There was no question, I was going...

  ...Especially when I found out they were auctioning "The Ratsie Wot Kilt
 Screed." I'd LOVED "Fever," never mind they'd killed Screed. I still rate that
 as one of my favorite television episodes. To tell you how badly I wanted that
 chewed on white laboratory dummy rat, frugal me even took out a small credit
 union loan to make sure I could get it.

  I remember Natsuko picking up the rat (still in the police evidence bag) and
 screaming and screaming and screaming while I started bidding and bidding and
 bidding. I'm told that the higher the bid went, the more "don't you miss with
 this little Southern Ratpacker" my voice got and the fewer people were bidding
 against me. I won it, along with an autographed copy of Greg "Screed" Kramer's
 first novel later in the auction. The bidding on a saber supposedly used by
 Screed went too high, but the winner let me hold it - I'm glad as a few years
 ago it ended up on eBay when I was broke and after asking me to identify it,
 some fellow FKers, remembering how badly I'd wanted it, gifted it to me!!!!!!
 *HAPPY RATSIE DANCE!*

  Anyway, because of ODing on Valium, I discovered Screed, Greg Kramer, his
 novel "Pursemonger of Fugu," met him, have done a couple of "Gregerings" so
 other fans could meet him, and all that sorta thingee.

  (Believe me, I was hardly normal before that....)

  As for Greg, the first thing I remember him saying to me: "You're Libby and
 you write comic books? COOL!" Then he ran through the theater's bar swinging
 the Ratsie by the tail saying, "Look! This is the rat wot killed me off Forever
 Knight!" (Between that and Nigel Bennett swinging the rat by the tail at a
 convention, I'm surprised the rat has survived!)

  --Longwinded Libs - blame McLisa


Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......> wrote:
    Libs, are you by any chance back on too much pain medication? :) I'll let
 you explain to the list why I might think so in connection with Screed.
 <snip>McLisa, beginning to think of fanfic challenges (explain Screed in an off the
 shoulder gown)

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Date:    Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:27:21 -0400
From:    Emily Lacey <laceyem@h.......>
Subject: Re: Knight's Hearts

Sequel? What is the title?

>  I wanted to thank everyone that helped me to find the story "Heart of a
Knight" and the sequel. I didn't even know there WAS a sequel! Thanks so much!

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Date:    Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:55:30 -0400
From:    Naia Zifu <naia_zifu@b.......>
Subject: Re: Janette, casting, 3rd season

    I would've liked to have seen that ^_^ .  I bet they had a lot of fun
adventures while they were globetrotting trying to avoid the Inca for all
those years.  Could've been fun to see what they were up to.

Naia Zifu  (naia_zifu@b.......)
http://www.geocities.com/naia_zifu

>Originally Vachon was going to have a crew that we saw a lot. This explains
>Screed, Urs and Bourbon, whom >we only saw once in a flashback.  I don't
>know why that part wasn't further developed. I suspect it was >budget
>limitations.

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Date:    Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:23:52 -0400
From:    Ramona Jackson <lexyladyjax@g.......>
Subject: Re: FORKNI-L Digest - 9 Oct 2007 to 10 Oct 2007 (#2007-83)

> My roommate and I created a rather hilarious scene
> during the episode wherein Mick meets LaCroix, who
> promptly beats him for being a moron.  If Nick's a
> brick, what does that make Mick?
>
> -Noni




Nick may be a brick, but Mick is REALLY thick.

Methinks LaCroix would *bite* him.  :-)  I'd pay to see *that!*

Mona, list newbie

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Date:    Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:26:20 -0700
From:    ChicagoMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@y.......>
Subject: Re: Moonlight

I found myself imagining a confrontation between LC
and Josef...I kinda doubt LC would be too impressed
with him either. Anyway, I'm getting to like the show
though I have noticed some of the aformentioned stuff.

Mel, slipping out of lurkdom for a moment


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Date:    Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:30:05 EDT
From:    Lori Isabella <LDukie913@a.......>
Subject: Re: If Nicks a brick, what is Mick?

In a message dated 10/10/2007 4:00:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
LISTSERV@l....... writes:

My  roommate and I created a rather hilarious scene
during the episode wherein  Mick meets LaCroix, who
promptly beats him for being a moron.  If  Nick's a
brick, what does that make Mick?
Z-Brick!!!

(For those of you who don't know, Z Brick is the funky fiberglass faux  brick
that was very popular in the 1970's. OK, now I feel old....)

Lori


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Date:    Thu, 11 Oct 2007 17:49:56 +0200
From:    CousinLucilla <cousinlucilla@f.......>
Subject: Moonlight

Well, I have finally managed to watch episode 2 and  I just can't
warm to this as I did with FK. FK I liked from the very beginning
(even if I didn't become a fan until later) but I'm really struggling
to keep up an interest in M. I find it boring actually - just your
run-of-the-mill detective story but with a bit of fangs added.


Doris

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Date:    Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:58:42 -0700
From:    Walt <wdoherty5@c.......>
Subject: Re: Moonlight - toothsome?

> Well, I have finally managed to watch episode 2 and  I just can't
> warm to this as I did with FK.
> I find it boring actually - just your
> run-of-the-mill detective story but with a bit of fangs added.
>
>

    One of the interesting things about FK was that the
    flashbacks were originally introduced to be filler
    that could be cut when the episode was televised
    for American viewers.

    It urned out that these flashbacks became an
    integral, and quite popular, part of the show.
    They were used to punctuate whatever was
    happening to Nick in the present.  Without
    them, the show would have been pretty much
    "a run-of-the-mill detective story" with fangs.
    (specifically, compare "Nick Knight" with
    "Dark Night" if you can.)  The flashbacks may
    not have made the show, but they certainly
    helped and influenced it.

    Poor Mick, he only has 60 years to falsh back in.

        WD


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