There are 18 messages totalling 579 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. GWD ARticle in the Toronto Star (2) 2. Moonlight (3) 3. Episode: If Looks Could Kill - Janette (4) 4. Today's Birthday: October 9 5. Episode Discussion: If Looks Could Kill (2) 6. Deb Duchene? (2) 7. LCA reports, and a thanks to everyone at MPICA 8. Knight's Hearts 9. Janette, casting, 3rd season 10. Correction Re Urs and Lisa Ryder ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 17:15:26 -0400 From: Naia Zifu <naia_zifu@b.......> Subject: Re: GWD ARticle in the Toronto Star Yeah, sometimes I feel obsolete 'cause most of the shows I like best have been off the air for years ^_^; . But I try to think of the fact there's still a dedicated fanbase after so many years as a sign of quality. Honestly, if I'd been in a show that people still loved after so many years, I'd probably feel very lucky to have been a part of it, proud of the work itself, and flattered at the attention! Naia Zifu (naia_zifu@b.......) http://www.geocities.com/naia_zifu >I myself find it eerie sometimes how one >(myself included) can become "obsessed" of something so "unimportant" >like a TV show, especially such a long time since it's been off the >air. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 14:27:11 -0700 From: Sherri <bloodroses_thorn@y.......> Subject: Re: Moonlight --- Gaelin Wade <GaelinWade@a.......> wrote: > Another thing I like, and I didn't think I would, is > that Mick is not very old. Only about 80 years, I think. I'm loving Moonlight so far, which is good because I needed a new vampire obsession ^_~ But his being so young has provided hours of amusement for my roommate and me. Last weeks episode, for instance, when we find out he's been in the same city for 25 years, I could not stop yelling at the screen. I kept trying to imagine the Enforcers' reactions to a vampire stupid enough to spend an entire generation in one place. Five, ten years tops... but it doesn't seem as though Mick has moved at all in his entire 90 years. Which got him in serious trouble, last week, too. So maybe he's learned his lesson. And every time he mentions his age, or how much things have changed, or anything relating to being older than he really is, I feel like throwing something at the screen. 90 years? Really? Nick was still listening to LaCroix during the first century. That's not old! My roommate and I created a rather hilarious scene during the episode wherein Mick meets LaCroix, who promptly beats him for being a moron. If Nick's a brick, what does that make Mick? -Noni -Torture is not what you do *to* someone, but what you have them do *for* you. -If you belong to nobody, you are nobody. -Abuse is more than power, it is intimacy. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 15:56:58 -0700 From: Libby Singleton <libratsie@s.......> Subject: Re: Episode: If Looks Could Kill - Janette Walt <wdoherty5@c.......> wrote: In any case, no one can wear an off the shoulder gown like she can. I dunno... They didn't give Screed a chance to wear one... --Libs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 18:05:49 -0500 From: eowyn23@j....... Subject: Today's Birthday: October 9 Hi Y'all! Today is Moldy Cheese Day and the Birthday of: Patty Costantino pas_20197@y....... You may send birthday greetings to Patty at the above email address. Please NOT to the list! Others who share Patty's birthday: Scott Bakula, TV/Movie/Stage Actor Sean Lennon, Rock & Roll Singer John O'Hurley, TV/Soap Actor Tony Shalhoub, TV/Movie/Stage Actor Charles R. Walgreen, Businessperson, drugstore chain founder Significant events on this day: 1642, the first commencement exercises were held at Harvard College. 1701, the Collegiate School of Connecticut -- later Yale University -- was chartered in New Haven. 1855, Joshua C. Stoddard of Worcester, Massachusetts, received a patent for his calliope. 1872, Aaron Montgomery began the mail-order business. I hope you have a very Happy Birthday, Patty! If you would like to be added to the birthday announcements, please send your name, birthday (no year needed) and email address to me, eowyn23@j....... and I'll be glad to add you! Terri eowyn23@j....... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 19:11:49 -0400 From: Wendy <w.rigney@v.......> Subject: Re: Episode: If Looks Could Kill - Janette But can Screed do a good French accent? I somehow doubt that! :-P Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Libby Singleton" <libratsie@s.......> To: <FORKNI-L@l.......> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 6:56 PM Subject: Re: Episode: If Looks Could Kill - Janette > Walt <wdoherty5@c.......> wrote: > In any case, no one can wear an off the shoulder gown like she can. > > I dunno... They didn't give Screed a chance to wear one... > > --Libs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 19:32:48 EDT From: Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@a.......> Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: If Looks Could Kill In a message dated 10/9/2007 2:32:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Tim.Phillips@s....... writes: 6) God Lord. How blind did the CBS television executives have to be to not want Deborah Duchene in season 3? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CBS didn't have anything to do with FK by that point, IIRC. It was USA that paid part of the costs and decided that it wanted things its way. Besides, TV executives oftentimes have their own agendas; for example, TPTB for Stargate SG-1's treatment of Michael Shanks during Season 5. Evelyn Duncan brandykitt@a....... Bob: These equations are very precise. And if you walk through them, I will start belting show tunes from the sixteenth century." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 20:02:30 EDT From: Lori Isabella <LDukie913@a.......> Subject: Re: Deb Duchene? In a message dated 10/9/2007 4:01:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, LISTSERV@l....... writes: However, to be fair, I've heard a number on conflicting stories as > to why Duchene didn't return as a regular. One is that she wanted > a large salary increase. Another is that acting was/is just not > that important to her, she prefers music. I hope this is not stepping over the "the actors personal lives are personal" line but didn't Deb Duchene give up acting entirely to become some kind of therapist? I vaguely remember reading an interview where an actress said that she was giving up acting because she wanted to do something that would have greater impact on the world... I thought that was Deb but maybe not? Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 01:01:21 +0000 From: Amy Hull <amilynh@c.......> Subject: Re: Deb Duchene? Lori asked > didn't Deb Duchene give up acting entirely to become some kind of therapist? > I vaguely remember reading an interview where an actress said that she was > giving up acting because she wanted to do something that would have greater impact > on the world... I thought that was Deb but maybe not? I don't remember ever hearing that, which is not to say it's not accurate or after I stopped following things closely in 1997 or so. I do know that in 1995-1996 or so, Deb was putting hours and hours and lots of energy and work into seeing if she could improve her piano playing to concert pianist levels. I know at one point she had to slow her training schedule due to a broken finger, but that's the last bit I remember. Amy H. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 01:29:57 +0000 From: Amy Hull <amilynh@c.......> Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: If Looks Could Kill From: Roxana Elizondo <roxeliz@h.......> > What they did reuse was Natalie's odd black windbreaker with > the multicolored hearts. The receptionist was wearing it before she left. > Natalie wore it in 'Dying to Know You' and 'I Will Repay'. Good riddance to that > jacket! Natalie you're not a 13 year old girl so I'm glad you stopped dressing > like one. Indeed. I figured that was a relic from late high school or early college--a comfort sweater thing that she pulled on when Nick dragged her out of bed so late in DtKY and that she was wearing when she was sitting vigil by Richard's hospital. And since it was on the receptionist later...perhas she donated it to Good Will? *grin* > I did notice that this episode was one of the first to have CD's hair similiar > to the style she would later wear for the rest of the series. The perm had grown > out and it now had soft waves. Thanks be to whatever deities might be listening! > I wish someone had remembered the fallout from the vampire's blood by the time > season 3's 'Fallen Idol' made its unfortunate appearance. Natalie coming off as > an idiot makes me unhappy. Yeah..."Fallen Idol" was problematic in SO many ways. I spent the whole episode talking to the screen saying, "NATALIE!!! Have you not READ 'Flowers for Algernon'??" But by then she was so broken and so desperate that, as much as it pained me to watch her, I totally believed it--much like the horribly heartbreaking scene in "Night in Question" when Nick returns, burned by the sun, and she's unable to respond or help, only to have a total breakdown and ask why he didn't just do what she said as if that would have made a difference. Third season was just so painful, watching them crumble around the edges and become more and more ragged. Amy H. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 23:46:10 EDT From: KnghtWtch@a....... Subject: Re: LCA reports, and a thanks to everyone at MPICA In a message dated 10/8/2007 2:05:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jkocich@g....... writes: I want to thank Nigel and Jon Cassar and Jayne L'Argent and Renate and all the volunteers for their good natured and great hearted efforts over a decade to do good while giving us fans many many happy memories. I want to say I'm sorry to hear that LCA is coming to a close. They did a great job for charity. My husband and I were discussing the matter and he stated "The Forever Knight group are a great bunch of people. They helped make it a great event." We may many new friends while attending. We'll miss seeing you all at future events. We want to thanks Nigel, John and John for starting such a great venture. All the staff, donators and fans that attended did such a great and generous job over the years. I'll miss not being able to go in the coming years. I'm sorry we missed it this year. We were looking forward to going to Toronto next year. Had I known it was the last year for LCA, I would have tried harder to go. My thanks to all who were involved with LCA. Bless you all. KnightWitch ;-]= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 05:36:12 GMT From: KC Smith <tigrlady2u@j.......> Subject: Re: Knight's Hearts I wanted to thank everyone that helped me to find the story "Heart of a Knight" and the sequel. I didn't even know there WAS a sequel! Thanks so much! KC Smith tigrlady2u@j....... Nick/Natpacker with dark tendencies. "I've never met a chocolate I didn't like." http://kc.descentintodarkness.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 07:55:31 +0200 From: CousinLucilla <cousinlucilla@f.......> Subject: Re: Moonlight Janette spent 20 years in Toronto. Am 09.10.2007 um 23:27 schrieb Sherri: > I kept trying > to imagine the Enforcers' reactions to a vampire > stupid enough to spend an entire generation in one > place. Five, ten years tops... but it doesn't seem as > though Mick has moved at all in his entire 90 years. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 07:57:41 +0200 From: CousinLucilla <cousinlucilla@f.......> Subject: Re: GWD ARticle in the Toronto Star I'm sure he IS flattered. But I understand that any actor wants to be acknowledged for their other work as well. And some fans do behave strange and IIRC GWD had some not so amusing encounters with fans also. So let's give him a break. Am 09.10.2007 um 23:15 schrieb Naia Zifu: > > Honestly, if I'd been in a show that people still loved after so > many years, > I'd probably feel very lucky to have been a part of it, proud of > the work > itself, and flattered at the attention! > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 07:54:25 -0400 From: "Phillips, Tim" <Tim.Phillips@s.......> Subject: Re: Episode: If Looks Could Kill - Janette >In any case, no one can wear an off the shoulder gown like she can. >I dunno... They didn't give Screed a chance to wear one... Jeez Louise. Put a coffee warning before something like that, huh. Now I've got to go find a roll of papertowels to blott off my monitor. :-) Tim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:57:48 -0400 From: Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......> Subject: Re: Episode: If Looks Could Kill - Janette Libs, are you by any chance back on too much pain medication? :) I'll let you explain to the list why I might think so in connection with Screed. <evil grin> McLisa, beginning to think of fanfic challenges (explain Screed in an off the shoulder gown) or future wars. (No, not right now. I just don't have time.) mclisa@m....... >Walt <wdoherty5@c.......> wrote: >In any case, no one can wear an off the shoulder gown like she can. > > I dunno... They didn't give Screed a chance to wear one... > > --Libs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:14:46 -0400 From: Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......> Subject: Re: Janette, casting, 3rd season Amy Hull summarized it accurately. It wasn't Deborah Duchene's doing that they lost Janette. What happened was that USA, which was the major backer, insisted on changes. They wanted Janette either entirely out or reduced to a recurring character as opposed to a regular. Deb said no, and in any case, the actors union wasn't about to let them unilaterally reduce a member's status. USA thought Janette wasn't sexy enough. This is because USA thought sexy only meant bleached blonde and falling out of a bikini. <shaking head> They tried to limit LaCroix to weekly monologues at the radio station, and to remove Natalie entirely. At that point Ger said it she went, he wasn't coming back. At least we were spared Nick and the neck of the week with no mortal balance. At the time we were supposed to have lost Schanke because John Kapelos was tired of the part. Maybe, but there have been rumors that this isn't entirely true. Vachon and Urs were put in because the network thought Nick and Nat were too old to attract a wide fan base. No offense meant to fans of either character, and certainly not to Ben Bass and Lisa Ryder. I mention this because it tells us a lot about USA's executives and their mindsets. The idea that they _had_ minds is of course debatable, or maybe they were simply out of them. :) mclisa mclisa@m....... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:26:55 -0400 From: Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......> Subject: Correction Re Urs and Lisa Ryder Early morning and insufficient caffeine, as those of you who've been around here long know about me. :) I meant to say Vachon and Tracy were put in because the network doubted Nick and Nat's ability to attract a wide fan base. USA thought Nick and Nat were too old, i.e., over thirty. Again, I meant no offense to fans of Vachon and Tracy, nor to Ben Bass and Lisa Ryder. Originally Vachon was going to have a crew that we saw a lot. This explains Screed, Urs and Bourbon, whom we only saw once in a flashback. I don't know why that part wasn't further developed. I suspect it was budget limitations. In case I need to say it, no offense meant to fans of Screed (I'm one, actually), Urs and even Bourbon, or to the actors who played them McLisa, listowner, Forkni-l and Fkfic-l mclisa@m....... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:55:36 -0500 From: Roxana Elizondo <roxeliz@h.......> Subject: Re: Moonlight Sherri wrote: > I'm loving Moonlight so far, which is good because I > needed a new vampire obsession ^_~ But his being so > young has provided hours of amusement for my roommate > and me. While I wouldn't go as far as to say that I'm "loving" Moonlight I am recording it and I do find it hilarious. The show does have potential and like you I'm in need of a vampire fix. The more vampire shows the merrier. > When we find out he's been in the same city for > 25 years, I could not stop yelling at the screen. > I kept trying to imagine the Enforcers' reactions to > a vampire stupid enough to spend an entire generation > in one place. Yeah seriously. As one poster in put it on another forum. Worst. Vampire. Ever. That ludicriousness of it took me out of the story for a while. Too much FK on the brain I guess. It's the first time I actually compared the two series and that can only lead to agravation. I can't wait for Moonlight to explore the vampire community because I think it would clear up some questions and concerns. Mick is not gonna live to see another century if he doesn't clean up his act. And he should get himself some better security. It's doesn't help that anybody off the street can just waltz right in. > And every time he mentions his age, or how much things > have changed, or anything relating to being older than he > really is, I feel like throwing something at the screen. > 90 years? Really. That's a major source of amusement. Looky GPS. That's neat. We didn't have that 50 years ago. Try the absence of electrcity, belief that the world was flat, or the advancement of women, now that's progress. All kidding aside I generally like that he's that young. How many times did we see Nick when he was a young pup? Not too many and I'm sure he made some interesting vampire mistakes. Of course a mistep in the 13th century has less ramifications than a mistep in 21st century Los Angeles. And Josef at 400 and apparently one of the oldest vampires in LA brings in some much needed historical perspective. Hopefully they elaborate on that. Although at 400 he's still a pup himself like Vachon. I'd love for them to bring in someone who's actually much older. > My roommate and I created a rather hilarious scene > during the episode wherein Mick meets LaCroix, who > promptly beats him for being a moron. If Nick's a > brick, what does that make Mick? Oh I love this. LaCroix wouldn't stand for any of Mick's brainlessness. I say lock him in the cellar with out any technological comforts-- like indoor plumbing, tv, or his cell phone. Make Mick rough it a bit. Roxana ------------------------------ End of FORKNI-L Digest - 9 Oct 2007 to 10 Oct 2007 (#2007-83) *************************************************************
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