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Digest - 8 Oct 2007 to 9 Oct 2007 (#2007-82)

Tue, 9 Oct 2007

There are 6 messages totalling 226 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Story?
  2. Episode Discussion: If Looks Could Kill (2)
  3. Episode Discussion Scheduling: Fatal Act
  4. Episode: If Looks Could Kill - Janette
  5. Janette, casting, 3rd season

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Date:    Tue, 9 Oct 2007 08:26:14 GMT
From:    KC Smith <tigrlady2u@j.......>
Subject: Re: Story?

 Again, sorry for the crosspost... THANK YOU!!! to everyone that sent me either
 the actual story, or the links! You helped a great deal!


KC Smith
tigrlady2u@j.......
Nick/Natpacker with dark tendencies.
"I've never met a chocolate I didn't like."
http://kc.descentintodarkness.net

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Date:    Tue, 9 Oct 2007 15:32:04 -0400
From:    "Phillips, Tim" <Tim.Phillips@s.......>
Subject: Episode Discussion: If Looks Could Kill

1) I like the opening scene with Nick, Nat and Schanke.  A very small
amount of time is spent setting up the case.  Most of it is spent in
discussions about beauty and the social pressures to obtain it....and
aging.  One of the things I like about FK is that it often was a
morality play...a discussion about something deeper than "Colonel
Mustard in the Study With a Candle-stick".



2) the scene where Nat finds a gray hair...and reacts to her own
reaction is a nice piece of acting.  Catherine didn't really say
anything...did the whole thing with facial expressions...and you could
see what she was thinking each step of the way.



3) Vampire Blood....the new old RoidRage.



4) small point.  I like that Nick's Caddy is parked in the lot where the
girl who clobbered the guy at the gym was hiding.  The car doesn't
appear in any immedately visible scene...so either someone was being
really detail-focused or there is a missing scene that was filmed...or
the actors were doing a car-scene (maybe for another episode) and that
is where someone put the Caddy...before or after the scene.



5) in Toronto...all supernatural behavior naturally gravitates to the
Raven....



6) God Lord.  How blind did the CBS television executives have to be to
not want Deborah Duchene in season 3?  To want someone "sexier".  The
glidding, purring definition of "seductive lady of the night" is her
interpretation of Janette.  She can cause more blood to boil with a
twitch of those elegent eyebrows than most of these Hollywood bimbettes
can do by <obcene reference (familiar to anyone watching Entertainment
Tonight can find) omitted due to respect for list moderation>



7) did wardrobe put that gawd-aweful purple jacket Nick was wearing a
few episodes back on Natalie this episode??  Sure looks it...or it was a
2-for-1 sale going when they were stocking basic warddrobe....but I have
to say..on her it looks just fine.



This is one of my favorite FK episodes and fun to rewatch again.



                        Tim



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Date:    Tue, 9 Oct 2007 15:33:59 -0400
From:    "Phillips, Tim" <Tim.Phillips@s.......>
Subject: Episode Discussion Scheduling: Fatal Act

Stonetree gets a good central part in one of the last episodes before
the season ended and we don't see him in FK again.



Disk 5 of the DVD Season 1 set has the show.

October 23, 2007 is the day.



            Tim



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Date:    Tue, 9 Oct 2007 12:56:33 -0700
From:    Walt <wdoherty5@c.......>
Subject: Re: Episode: If Looks Could Kill - Janette

> 6) God Lord.  How blind did the CBS television executives have to be to
> not want Deborah Duchene in season 3?  To want someone "sexier".  The
> glidding, purring definition of "seductive lady of the night" is her
> interpretation of Janette.  She can cause more blood to boil with a

My first reaction is "of course not, nobody could be that stupid",
but then we are dealing with TV schedulers, programmers (whatever
the job title is), aren't we?

What that woman does with gloves!

However, to be fair, I've heard a number on conflicting stories as
to why Duchene didn't return as a regular.  One is that she wanted
a large salary increase.  Another is that acting was/is just not
that important to her, she prefers music.

In any case, no one can wear an off the shoulder gown like she can.

Walt Doherty
Phoenix, AZ

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Date:    Tue, 9 Oct 2007 20:15:25 +0000
From:    Amy Hull <amilynh@c.......>
Subject: Re: Janette, casting, 3rd season

From: Walt <wdoherty5@c.......>
> However, to be fair, I've heard a number on conflicting stories as
> to why Duchene didn't return as a regular. One is that she wanted
> a large salary increase. Another is that acting was/is just not
> that important to her, she prefers music.

From what I remember of what we heard at the time, the execs wanted a nearly
 entirely new cast due not to requested salary increases, but due to the union
 requirements for raises in each consecutive year of employment on a show.

I remember hearing that they wanted to get rid of the "older" characters
 (Natalie, Schanke) and bring in "hotter" "younger" characters (Tracy, Vachon).  There
 was a rumor that the idea of getting rid of Natalie caused a fit to be pitched
 by a cast member who insisted (rightly, imo, but then, I'm biased) that the
 balance of Nick between LaCroix and Natalie as representatives of the
 vampire/human worlds was essential to the structure of the show.  This particular rumor
 thread continued that the execs responded, essentially with an "okay-fine, we'll
 keep Natalie, but Janette goes."  I got the impression that Deb was rather
 affronted at being not asked back/let go (although, well, that's the way of the
 industry and she and the others understood that as well), and that, if there was
 an offer of "well, maybe for a few eps as a recurring" that she wasn't
 interested in the demotion.  She was also relatively newly involved in a serious
 relationship (I believe they got married, but, of course, there's been no news
 of her personal life in a very long time as is her absolute right).

After over a decade of looking and looking and trying to find out HOW the show
 could have avoided ending so dismally (in terms of the outcomes for the
 characters), the only answers I've been able to come up with are that Nick would have
 had to leave TO and move on, abandoning everyone, or, well...I can't see a way
 out, especially not by late 2nd season.  The only "Sam Beckett" moment I can
 see as altering the train wreck trajectory that they were accellerating on from
 mid to late 2nd season forth is if LaCroix had never come back in the present; I
 think that Nick was making some progress by late S1, and that essentially all
 of it was undone by the mixed-up nature of him reacting to LC still being alive
 and freaking out over it and reverting to his standard pattern of relating to
 LC and trying all the wrong things to protect those around him...I think that
 LC's mere presence (and interference and psychological tinkering) was enough,
 over time, to make Nick crumble and take everyone with him.

The lack of ANY outlets (healthy or no, but especially healthy) or pressure
 valves 3rd season was such a train wreck...Schanke was gone, and Nick didn't let
 Tracy be someone he could blow off steam with.  Schanke was gone and Nat didn't
 have that outlet.  Grace had vanished (moved? got a new job? working days full
 time while Nat was full time nights?) and Nat didn't have that outlet.  What's
 left of Nat's family seems not to be in TO anymore, and, even if they had been,
 when would she have seen them in between her work and Nick?  Nick couldn't go
 to Janette and have a sometimes-sympathetic but understanding ear and someone
 who wouldn't try to manipulate him like LC.  LC could push every one of Nick's
 buttons and Nick never learned--ever--to avoid that in any way and responded
 with Pavlovian consistency.

Train wreck.  You know, all these years later...15 years after first "meeting"
 them, over 12 years since the show ended...I still miss these characters like I
 miss very good friends or family who moved far away and never write.

Amy Hull

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Date:    Tue, 9 Oct 2007 15:37:16 -0500
From:    Roxana Elizondo <roxeliz@h.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: If Looks Could Kill

Tim Phillips said:
> 2) the scene where Nat finds a gray hair...and reacts to her own
> reaction is a nice piece of acting. Catherine didn't really say
> anything...did the whole thing with facial expressions...and you could
> see what she was thinking each step of the way.

What I always wondered about that scene was how she could fully see her
 reflection on that tablet. It looked like it was made out of stainless steel or
 something. It wouldn't provide a clear reflection, at least not one where Natalie
 could spot a gray hair.

> 5) in Toronto...all supernatural behavior naturally gravitates to the
> Raven....

The dancing sequence always makes me laugh. I realize most of the time if not
 all the time they'd turn off the music so that the actors could say their
 dialouge but that dancing from Bernice was just not good.

I really liked the conversation between Nick and Janette. Janette made some
 interesting observations about the club goers dancing like they were running out
 of time and how soon their pictures would be relegated to "dusty old attics"
 countered with Nick's observation that the mortals have enthusiasm. Plus Nick's
 hands moments on Janette's chin was very sexy.

> 7) did wardrobe put that gawd-aweful purple jacket Nick was wearing a
> few episodes back on Natalie this episode?? Sure looks it...or it was a
> 2-for-1 sale going when they were stocking basic warddrobe....but I have
> to say..on her it looks just fine.

I had to really think about it for a minute there but I think I know what
 jacket you're referencing.
Yeah those two jackets are very similiar. You really cracked me up with the "2
 for 1 sale" funny. What they did reuse was Natalie's odd black windbreaker with
 the multicolored hearts. The receptionist was wearing it before she left.
 Natalie wore it in 'Dying to Know You' and 'I Will Repay'. Good riddance to that
 jacket! Natalie you're not a 13 year old girl so I'm glad you stopped dressing
 like one.

I did notice that this episode was one of the first to have CD's hair similiar
 to the style she would later wear for the rest of the series. The perm had
 grown out and it now had soft waves.

Also I was recently able to get the 1991 CBC tv movie 'Grand Larceny' that had
 CD in a delightful and adorable supporting role (Thanks Cheryl!) and it starred
 Jennifer Dale who played the Baroness/Sophia Jergen. I'm rather disappointed
 that the two of them didn't share any lines other than to have the Baroness
 threaten Natalie with the vampire blood.

I wish someone had remembered the fallout from the vampire's blood by the time
 season 3's  'Fallen Idol' made its unfortunate appearance. Natalie coming off
 as an idiot makes me unhappy.

Roxana


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