FORKNI-L
Digest - 15 Jul 2007 to 17 Jul 2007 (#2007-4)
Tue, 17 Jul 2007
There are 3 messages totalling 131 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Nick's "Fortress of Solitude"
2. Episode Discussion: Dying For Fame
3. Episode Discussion Scheduling: Spin Doctor
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:52:56 +0200
From: P J <blue_twingo772@y.......>
Subject: Nick's "Fortress of Solitude"
From: "Amy R." <akr@l.......>:
>"Fortress of Solitude" is a famous phrase from _Superman_. Lisa is comparing
Nick's Toronto loft to Superman's arctic retreat, and thereby comparing lonely
vampire hero Nick to lonely alien hero Superman, though of course she cannot
know the breadth of applicability in her parallel. <
That's a fascinating observation. I never made the connection since I never
watched Superman in English and didn't know that his arctic retreat was called
"Fortress of Solitude".
Petra.
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:39:49 -0400
From: "Phillips, Tim" <Tim.Phillips@s.......>
Subject: Episode Discussion: Dying For Fame
1) the Valley Chick and surfer dude who are interviewed on the street
are a hoot. So broadly drawn they are painted with a wallroller.
2) Janette's waitress in Nick's dream. OK, I understand the beehive
hairdo, but why the extra "wiggle in the walk"???
3) I like the whole diner scene in the way it was done. It isn't
visibly a dream until the blood starts to flow. I like that. I like
that Nick's "dream food" is a french-fry.
4) LaCroix as the short-order cook from Hell.
5) I like the structure of the opening...with the viewpoint bouncing
between Nick and Rebecca, showing the parallels in their lives. The
difficulty awakening to the "real world", the nagging coworker, the
"addiction" to drink. It was common in Forever Knight for Nick to see
a commonality with the guest character, here it is more deliberately
shown and it works well.
6) "Thank you, Santa....but what I really wanted was ice-skates."
Funny line by Rebecca about the guy she finds in her bed.
7) Nick's "invisible man" getup is interesting. If all that will burn
is exposed skin, I'm surprised he doesn't simply get a set of fullbody
leathers, a helmet with a tinted visor and a Harley Davidson. So long
as he doesn't lift the visor...he'd be set. Of course, in other
episodes we've seen that vampires "steam/smoke" through their clothing
in sunlight....the show's bible always was kinda flexible and not
allowed to limit a scene that someone wanted to show.
I do like the scene where Nick picks Schanke up at the station.
It is played well for comic effect. "nice outfit, don't you think
you're overreacting a bit to this whole ozone thing?" "Not really."
8) when Rebecca arrives at the stadium and is being dressed down by her
manager, he says she smells like a distillery and she breaths on him.
Anyone else think that was supposed to look like Janette's "hiss" when
she is vamped out???
9) "John, Paul, George and Schanke". I'm not sure...but I think that
Schanke as a member of the Beatles is - along with caterwauling
cockroaches - one of the signs of the Apocolypse.
10) "I'm the outsider looking in" music video sequence with Nick and
Rebecca. Another deliberate paralleling of the two characters that
really works.
11) "Actually I was with the Grateful Dead." - Nick on being at
Woodstock.
12) Nick and LaCroix as rock'n'rollers. Nice little scene. Looks very
theatrical in that all they had was black velvet curtains and a lighted
dressing table for a set. Would have been more amusing if Rick
Springfield had continued in the Nick Knight role...especially when Nick
gets on-stage and bombs out.
13) point of annoyance. Every police drama I've ever seen, the
detectives pull down the police-line do-not-cross tape as they
dramatically reenter the crime-scene to find the missing clue. Even if
they don't have to break the tape to open the door.
<Grumble-snarl-snap>.
14) the conversation between Nick and Rebecca in her jailcell is nice.
Nick can really sympathize with Rebecca given how she views her
situation and how trapped by it she feels. Follow that up with the
scene with Nick and LaCroix as his jailer and you've got the parallels
between them laid out again. Easy to see why Nick is sympathic toward
her.
15) I like the twist ending...but wouldn't a band that worked with
Rebecca every night not notice it was Wendy that had walked onto the
stage? She was standing right next to at least one guitarist. It would
have worked better if she was more distant from the members of her band.
A funny little personal note, I know I saw this episode way back when FK
was still on SciFi. I actually have a VHS tape copy of it. I then
forgot the episode for a period of time and wrote the short story FANG
(or We Love The Boys from The Band). Later, I rediscovered the tape
and watched it and was amused by the parallels my subconscious memories
had made and not made. Probably a good thing I forgot the episode as I
won't have written FANG because it wouldn't have felt unique enough to
spend the energy on.
Anyway, this does stand as one of my very favorite FK episodes.
Definitely somewhere in the top 10.
Tim
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:44:15 -0400
From: "Phillips, Tim" <Tim.Phillips@s.......>
Subject: Episode Discussion Scheduling: Spin Doctor
The next episode is Spin Doctor.
Date is July 31st, 2007.
Tim
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