There are 15 messages totalling 456 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Is this a FK Moment??? 2. Sunlight & Mr. Stoker (7) 3. Trophy Girl 4. Blu Mankuma sighting + FK footage 5. Fan Creations VS. Actual Show (5) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 22:58:03 +0000 From: Luicia <luicia1705@y.......> Subject: Is this a FK Moment??? I was going over some websites for college when I came across this link http://blog.wired.com/tableofmalcontents/2006/11/bad_sf_show_ste.html it was basically an article/opinion piece about myspace.com and what it's done to an indie band but the bit that did catch my eye was reference to some letter campaign launched by fans of an Canadian vampire cop tv show... can't for the life of me think what the name of that show it could be ... <WEG> I think you guys are famous for mini-media revolutions LOL Congratulations!!! Luicia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 00:22:48 -0500 From: Don Fasig <argent@c.......> Subject: Sunlight & Mr. Stoker Today (Wednesday) is Bram Stoker's birthday, which got me thinking a bit about vampires and sunlight. I may have it wrong, but I'm under the impression that our modern ideas about vampiric characteristics stem largely from Mr. Stoker's work. Now we come to the crux of it. In the book, Dracula's powers were reduced during the day, but he wasn't harmed by sunlight. So why is it such a common trait, including for FK vampires, to be destroyed by sunlight? Maybe my question is best directed at the authors on the list, is it simply that the vulnerability is a convenient device? Nick flirting with the blinds in his loft to illustrate his despair or self- loathing? LaCroix demonstrating his power to Nick by braving it almost disdainfully (wish I could remember which episode)? Of course the FK PTB weren't terribly consistent on the matter. Nick, LaCroix, and Janette often smoldered but that was about it. Other vampires (ex the vietnamese vamp and the suicidal playwrite) burst into flames and were almost immediately consumed. In the aforementioned episode, LaCroix seemed almost casual about his exposure, while in another (The Hunted I think) he was so desperate to elude the sun that he was willing to abandon Janette rather than risk the few seconds necessary to help her along. Now that I'm going on about literary devices and vampiric qualities... Why don't FK vamps share that common vampiric need for dirt, their native soil nor any other? Too inconvenient? Not sexy enough? Hmmmm. L8r Don ----,-'<@ argent@c....... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 21:38:57 -0800 From: Brian <bwaichu@y.......> Subject: Trophy Girl I watched this episode tonight, and it gave me a lot of insight into my one buddy's desire for women. He doesn't want to commit. He wants to slowly win a woman over only to move onto the next. And he takes the whole process slowly. That kinda creeped me out when I was watching the ep. The episode really brings to light the power of the chase. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 23:16:23 -0700 From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......> Subject: Re: Sunlight & Mr. Stoker > Dracula's powers were reduced during the day, but he wasn't harmed by sunlight. So why is > it such a common trait, including for FK vampires, to be destroyed by sunlight? I believe it goes all the way back to Klaus Murnau's film, Nosferatu. >Why don't FK vamps share that common vampiric need for > dirt, their native soil nor any other? Too inconvenient? Not sexy enough? Too hard to explain. For whatever reason, the whole "native soil" concept in vampire movies seems to be primarily in Dracula movies, and not even in all of them. Therefore, you can't assume that the audience is already familiar with it, whereas the lack of reflection, reaction to crosses & crucifixes, and sensitivity to sunlight are familiar from being seen in all kinds of vampire movies. Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 00:52:10 -0600 From: "Stone, Barbara" <STONEB@g.......> Subject: Blu Mankuma sighting + FK footage Tuesday night I happened on Sci-Fi's "Dead Like Me"--apparently eps. 1 & 2. In the first ep. Blu Mankuma (capt., 3rd season) appeared as a "grim reaper" on the verge of retirement and the last "person" to see the heroine before she died and became an undead, grim reaper. There was also a sequence of flashes of scenes (don't remember the context because I had just started watching & had become distracted) and one of them was taken from the scene always shown during the end credits of FK. I think. It was only on for a split second. But it was *very* familiar. If it wasn't that one, then it was another bit of stock FK sunset footage. Alas, I did not have the VCR running. Sony came up during the end credits, so that would explain how they got to use the scene. B. Stone ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 11:20:48 +0000 From: Luicia <luicia1705@y.......> Subject: Re: Sunlight & Mr. Stoker If you go by Stoker's example, you need to remember that Dracula wasn't bitten. That could be used as an explanation as to why the whole sun deal didn't affect him in the same way as other vampires are in other stories. Dracula turned on his own will and he created children. So while he had his native soil around him he was safe but because his children were not of his soil or blood completely, it could be said that this is why they suffered the burns of the sun and not the limitations that Drac did. With Lacroix and his attitude to the sun, maybe his condition changed as he matured. The writers never did ffully explain the differences between the elders/ancients and the others - it was just given that the older ones were more powerful that the younger ones could be. Or even his obsession with Nicholas could be blamed - he never did seem so controlling over Janette. Luicia "Life is what happens when you're busy making other plans" John Lennon ----- Original Message ---- From: Don Fasig <argent@c.......> To: FORKNI-L@l....... Sent: Thursday, 9 November, 2006 5:22:48 AM Subject: Sunlight & Mr. Stoker Now we come to the crux of it. In the book, Dracula's powers were reduced during the day, but he wasn't harmed by sunlight. So why is it such a common trait, including for FK vampires, to be destroyed by sunlight? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 08:50:59 -0500 From: Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......> Subject: Re: Sunlight & Mr. Stoker -----Original Message----- >Now we come to the crux of it. In the book, Dracula's powers were >reduced during the day, but he wasn't harmed by sunlight. So why is >it such a common trait, including for FK vampires, to be destroyed by >sunlight? I think this started with the Murnau film Nosferatu. I personally like the way FK strikes a balance, with the older vampires merely getting burned and the smoking effect. My guess is that they wanted Nick to have some everyday vulnerabilies. I mean, how often is he going to meet a crazed perp who happens to be armed with a sharp, pointed stick instead of a gun? <g> >Of course the FK PTB weren't terribly consistent on the matter. <snip> A large helping of sharp cheddar here, and I can think of ways around this. It might depend on the strength and/or angle of the sun. :) >Now that I'm going on about literary devices and vampiric >qualities... Why don't FK vamps share that common vampiric need for >dirt, their native soil nor any other? Too inconvenient? Not sexy >enough? Actually this is in Stoker, where the count has soil from Transylvania at his English stronghold, Carfax. The need is, I think, to sleep in or on it rather than to be on it. It's possible that there's a layer of Brabant under Nick's bed. We never saw Janette and LC's living quarters, but I suppose they might have similar arrangments. > >Don ----,-'<@ >argent@c....... McLisa mclisa@m....... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 09:47:25 -0500 From: "Phillips, Tim" <Tim.Phillips@s.......> Subject: Re: Sunlight & Mr. Stoker >Now we come to the crux of it. In the book, Dracula's powers were >reduced during the day, but he wasn't harmed by sunlight. So why is it >such a common trait, including for FK vampires, to be destroyed by >sunlight? I think it has a lot to do with it being a story device. The show is called Forever Knight after all. And that name was doubtlessly chosen because it sounds like Forever Night. It is a play on words that accurately depicts the main character...a former knight who is now literally trapped in a physical and mental darkness that will last effectively forever. The only "cure" for vampirism that exists as the series starts is sunlight. Walk out into the day and end it all. Vampires in fiction are also generally a very powerful character. Making them vulnerable to sunlight explains why they haven't totally overrun the world yet. There is an interval every day where you are totally safe and they are very vulnerable. I think we'd all agree that FK's show bible was not followed religiously. Things happen that are inconsistent because it is easier/more dramatic for the story to unfold that way. This is why in one episode a vampire disappears to ash from a few moments contact with the sun...and in another is able to rush down the street to their car and jump into the trunk while simply trailing smoke. When FK was created, I think they opted to use those eliminates of the mythology that "fit" the show. Nick doesn't sleep in a coffin. He doesn't need his native soil. He can't shape-shift to become a bat or a cloud of fog. They picked out those elements that they wanted to use and ignored the rest as "superstition". Tim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 16:34:18 +0000 From: Elena Gwynne <elena_gwynne@h.......> Subject: Fan Creations VS. Actual Show I read a lot of FK fanfic, and I admit that I haven't seen every episode, so I'm wondering which of the common concepts of fanfic actually have evidence in the shows. Nick's charitable donations? bonds with Lacroix or Janette etc? Are there other concepts which have become accepted as a part of fanfic but weren't actually a part of the show? Finduilas http://fin.yserve.net Updated on April 30 http://www.livejournal.com/users/endaewen/ http://www.fanfiction.net/u/761957/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 11:49:14 -0500 From: "Phillips, Tim" <Tim.Phillips@s.......> Subject: Re: Fan Creations VS. Actual Show > I'm wondering which of the common concepts of fanfic actually have evidence in the shows. Nick's charitable donations? It has been embarrassingly long...but I'm positive there is an episode somewhere where we learn that there is a charitable group called the Brabant Foundation that was created by - and still controlled by - Nick. > bonds with Lacroix or Janette etc? In the show, it is mentioned numerous times that members of a vampire "family" can sense each other. Nick does know when LaCroix is around (unless it was convenient for the plot for him not to notice that). Nick and Janette do speak of an empathic connection. > Are there other concepts which have become accepted as a part of fanfic but weren't actually a part of the show? Depending upon the Forever Knight faction...I'd say yes. The fiction community has often "expanded" upon what was available in the show. If an idea is popular - Nick is known as The KnightMare within the police force, Tracy has several tattoos and keeps a pink Harley-Davidson for when she is "stepping out" - they become common within that faction's literature. Tim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 10:37:40 -0700 From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......> Subject: Re: Fan Creations VS. Actual Show > Nick's charitable donations? The episode Blood Money has the charitable De Brabant Foundation; I'm pretty sure that it's the only episode to mention it. One concept which occurs only in fanfic is the idea that young vampires are "fledglings" in need of special protection & training. True, Lacroix is very protective toward Nick, but there's no evidence that this is generally true of all vampires. Your humble & obedient servant, Angela Gottfred ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 12:25:56 -0800 From: Kristen Fife <fenix23fyre@y.......> Subject: Re: Sunlight & Mr. Stoker Well, it *is* fantasy all in all. The one that they use that both interests/irritates me is the ability fly. Yes, it is vastly usable (Only the Lonely comes immediately to mind), but they made their vampires so much more "stripped down" than, say, Dracula. Just something I ponder when writing my own original novel. (My vamps DON'T fly and I have what I hope is a plausible explanation for not going out in daylight which has to do with ultra-sensitive eyesight as opposed to combustibility.) When FK was created, I think they opted to use those eliminates of the mythology that "fit" the show. Nick doesn't sleep in a coffin. He doesn't need his native soil. He can't shape-shift to become a bat or a cloud of fog. They picked out those elements that they wanted to use and ignored the rest as "superstition". Tim Kristen Fife, Author http://writersweekend.com - Spend a Passionate Weekend With Your Muse http://scarletmuse.com -An Erotic Writer's Conference ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 12:30:12 -0800 From: Kristen Fife <fenix23fyre@y.......> Subject: Re: Fan Creations VS. Actual Show Hmmm. Interesting. Watching Season 3 I have been interested more in the character of Urs and her dynamic with Vashon. But when you look at the episode where Nick brings Richard across, they definitely intimate that there is some sort of a vulnerable period, and there is the scene in "Curiouser and Curiouser" where LaCroix tells Nick about shedding his guilt or that it will fester over time. --- Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......> wrote: > One concept which occurs only in fanfic is the idea > that young vampires are > "fledglings" in need of special protection & > training. Kristen Fife, Author http://writersweekend.com - Spend a Passionate Weekend With Your Muse http://scarletmuse.com -An Erotic Writer's Conference ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 15:50:30 -0500 From: Gaelin Wade <gaelinwade@a.......> Subject: Re: Fan Creations VS. Actual Show I always figured this was more than just a continuity error , in that LaCroix as "Master" could control when he was "sensed" by his "children" and when he was not. Similiar to the way Divia could contol if she was sensed by LC. -----Original Message----- From: Tim.Phillips@s....... > bonds with Lacroix or Janette etc? In the show, it is mentioned numerous times that members of a vampire "family" can sense each other. Nick does know when LaCroix is around (unless it was convenient for the plot for him not to notice that). Nick and Janette do speak of an empathic connection. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 13:24:35 -0800 From: Libby Singleton <libratsie@s.......> Subject: Re: Sunlight & Mr. Stoker The great thing about vampire legends is that they vary so much from culture to culture that there's ton of information to choose from if you don't want to create your own "rules." Seems like I recall hearing that our modern Western concept of vampires do take a lot from Nosferatu (I'm very sick so that may be mispelled) and the novel Dracula. I rather like the "rules" applied to our FK vampires. I had to think why I like them flying so well, and decided it probably comes from being a lifelong superhero/comic book fan. I love to dream I'm flying and just love to think about anyone else being able to fly. In a number of legends, vampires are vicious, inhumane, horrible creatures, not handsome or able to pass in human society. Of course that definitely would not have worked in the FK universe. I know people who dislike most modern vampire books/stories because the vampires are too humanize, but I can't stand the absolute gore and bloodshed of the vicious, not-human-at-all vampire stories. In my opinion, Screed was probably the most original of the FK vampires (of course I'm very biased and will admit it). He wasn't suave, wasn't handsome in most people's eyes, and was more Nosferatu in appearance than the other vampires we see (<g> - even including Perry, the dog). He was animal like in some ways, yet very human in others. Although he says at one point there's nothing tastier than a wench, we learn in Fever he prefers and craves rats because that's what he first tasted. Like any writer's creation, FK didn't have to stick to any specific rules because the "traditional vampire rules" depends on exactly whose legends you are talking about. Also, it just occured to me that because vampire legends used to traditionally be oral legends passed down through oral story telling, the "rules" would shift and mutate through the ages. --Libs (with a very high fever due to a sinus infection) ------------------------------ End of FORKNI-L Digest - 8 Nov 2006 to 9 Nov 2006 (#2006-47) ************************************************************
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