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Digest - 12 Sep 2006 to 13 Sep 2006 (#2006-246)
Wed, 13 Sep 2006
There are 12 messages totalling 343 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. looking for story? (3)
2. Episode discussion: "Last Act" (5)
3. Today's Birthday: September 13
4. Episode Discussion for Last Act
5. dvd (2)
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Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 01:55:33 -0400
From: bluefaerymagick <bluefaerymagick@a.......>
Subject: looking for story?
I'm looking for a story about Enforcers trying to get information out of
LaCroix (about Nick i think?) and they rape him.
Any ideas?
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Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:33:31 +0800
From: eruve erundun <eruveerundun@y.......>
Subject: Re: looking for story?
Sounds like something Knightraven wrote for her Nicky series. It could be "As
Sure As the Heavens".
Try this:
http://homepages.woosh.co.nz/kylietucker/FKfiction/05As%20Sure%20as%20the%20Heavens(A).html
Hope that helps.
Ell
bluefaerymagick <bluefaerymagick@a.......> wrote:
I'm looking for a story about Enforcers trying to get information out of
LaCroix (about Nick i think?) and they rape him.
Any ideas?
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Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 03:53:45 -0400
From: gwatson2 <gwatson2@r.......>
Subject: Episode discussion: "Last Act"
Is the beginning of term maybe a bad time to start the discussion after all?
At this point only two people have posted comments on "Last Act", and
there's been nothing for a couple of days. Maybe we should have left it at
Sept. 15th?
Greer
gwatson2@r.......
http://ca.geocities.com/gwatson2@rogers.com/index.html
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Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:08:47 -0400
From: gwatson2 <gwatson2@r.......>
Subject: Episode discussion: "Last Act"
I was wondering how we should take the "ghost" that talks to Nick? Is it a
real ghost? Or is it more of a materialization on screen of the thoughts in
his mind. Like having a graveside conversation with a dead friend: it's
not a ghost you're talking to; it's their memory.
If it's really Erica's ghost, then Nick is getting the argument for
suicide from *her*.
On the other hand, if the ghost is a representation of an argument
that is actually internal, then these rationalizations and arguments are
*his*. In that case, Erica's ghost is a way for the writer & director to
amp up an internal argument. The way (usually in comedies) you sometimes
get a little angel and a little devil, one on each shoulder for the hero to
argue with.
If that's the case, then Nick is arguing against what she had done,
not with her, but with himself. Erica's ghost would represent his own
impulse to destroy himself (which, as "Last Knight" shows, he still has
right to the end of the series). And *that's* what he's arguing
with/against--his *own* impulse to end it all.
Thoughts?
Greer
gwatson2@r.......
http://ca.geocities.com/gwatson2@rogers.com/index.html
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Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:07:21 +0800
From: eruve erundun <eruveerundun@y.......>
Subject: Re: Episode discussion: "Last Act"
gwatson2 <gwatson2@r.......> wrote:
I was wondering how we should take the "ghost" that talks to Nick? Is it a
real ghost? Or is it more of a materialization on screen of the thoughts in
his mind.
I tend to take it as Nick's two sides; the self-destructive and
self-preserving having a mental clash. He *is* arguing with himself. I would agree that
Erica's ghost represents his self-destructive side. Unlike in Francesca or even
that ep with the Kessel House spirits, this ghost didn't seem to *do* much other
than make Nick think about his choices. Also she seemed at peace with her
decision to end it - No real unfinished business, violent ending.
But there's plenty of evidence of Nick toying with the idea of ending it: Nat
nagging him about "cutting it close", burning himself in the sunlight etc. So
it would make sense that he would be thinking about these things/arguing about
it. Fortunately, Nat makes him see that there's still things worth living for.
Ell
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Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 06:01:20 -0500
From: eowyn23@j.......
Subject: Today's Birthday: September 13
Hi Y'all!
Today is Defy Superstition Day and the birthday of:
Julia B. (aka Brooksie) a11ebrook@a.......
You may send birthday greetings to Brooksie at the above email address.
Please NOT to the list!
Others who share this birthday:
Milton Hershey, Founder of Hershey Candy Co.
Walter Reed, Doctor
John J. Pershing, American general
Roald Dahl, Author
Bill Monroe, Bluegrass musician
Mel Torme, Jazz Singer
Significant events on this date:
1513, Vasco Nunez de Balboa crosses the isthmus of Panama and "discovers"
the Pacific Ocean.
1788, the U.S. Constitutional Convention authorized the first national
election, and declared New York City the temporary national capital.
1939, Igor Sikorsky invented the first practical helicopter.
1963, Mary Kay, the direct-sales cosmetic company, is founded by nine
people gathered around Mary Kay Ash's kitchen table.
I hope you have a very Happy Birthday, Brooksie!
If you would like to be added to the birthday announcements, please send
your name, birthdate (no year needed) and email address to me,
eowyn23@j......., privately, and I'll be glad to add you.
Terri
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Dreamers, Knighties List Owner, Keeper of the FK Birthday List
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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 00:22:47 +1200
From: Kylie Tucker <kylie@r.......>
Subject: Re: looking for story?
> I'm looking for a story about Enforcers trying to get information out of
> LaCroix (about Nick i think?) and they rape him.
> Any ideas?
http://homepages.woosh.co.nz/kylietucker/FKfiction/index.html
Hi,
That is 'As Sure as The Heavens' which can be found in the NIcky Series at
the above site.
Kylie.
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www.ravendesign.co.nz
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Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 06:49:56 -0700
From: phylis sullivan <phylis_s_2000_2001@y.......>
Subject: Episode discussion: "Last Act"
Someone made the comment about the parallels between this episode and Last
Knight. I had never thought of it that way, but I see how they fit together with
Natalie and Nick doing a switch on their views on suicide.
I had always wondered if we were to believe Nick was seeing Erica or if we
was just having a conversation with himself. The part were they are in the loft
and she keeps telling him to come with her, leading him into the sunlight could
be taken as her trying to get him to follow or him fighting with his depression
because he hadn't solved a case in a while and felt useless. Just my 2 cents
and the first time I had an opportunity to respond. Phylis
Author of the Poem "I Remember" in Forbidden Love: Bad Boy
available December 21, 2006. Pre-order today. Phylis
phylis_s_2000_2001@y.......
http://www.geocities.com/phylis_s_2000_2001/phylis_poetry_homepage.html
Nick : "I don't tan. I don't burn. I implode." Forever Knight
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Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 07:19:49 -0700
From: NAT <nat1228@c.......>
Subject: Re: Episode discussion: "Last Act"
At 01:08 AM 9/13/2006, gwatson2 wrote:
>I was wondering how we should take the "ghost" that talks to
>Nick? Is it a real ghost? Or is it more of a materialization on
>screen of the thoughts in his mind. Like having a graveside
>conversation with a dead friend: it's not a ghost you're talking
>to; it's their memory.
I always thought that Nick was talking to a real ghost. Of course, I
don't tend to analyze the episodes, and usually just watch them with
surface interest. However, I do like your idea that he may have been
having a conversation with himself and using the ghost as a
visualization of his inner argument. I think that in light of later
episodes, that makes a lot of sense. It may even have been what the
writers intended in the first place. Actually, I'm even beginning to
feel like that is most likely scenario after all -- once I stop and
*think* about the episode. ;-)
Nat
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
Nancy A. Taylor -- Knightie, N&NPack
nat1228@c.......
http://www.squidge.org/~nat1228/fk.htm
http://www.knightwatchman.net/
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Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 13:24:07 -0400
From: "Phillips, Tim" <Tim.Phillips@s.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion for Last Act
1) I really liked the camera work as Erica waited in the dawn and the
sun came up.
2) "You constipated...or something??" Boy is that a loaded question
coming from Stonetree. This is one of those moments that I have to
wonder what Stonetree wonders.....
3) I know Toronoto is supposed to be a very clean city, but do they have
24hour park cleaning services???? How late was that park guy there to
talk with Schanke and Nick about the burned clothes he found? It looked
full dark to me.
4)Is the play Nick and Erica are doing significent??? I do not
recognize it at least. I half-suspect the scene was written for the
episode as something that Erica had done herself...but I don't really
follow plays myself
5) season 1 must have had a heck of a candle budget.
6) I liked the exchange between Nick and Erica over what they had "seen"
in each others blood.
7) I think Erica was in Nick's loft and the Caddy as a full-on ghost.
Something about it "seems wrong" to be "just" a delusion or two sides of
Nick's personality. But...it was a good way to talk about the conflict,
whatever Erica was.
8) I like that Stonetree gives Nick another day to close out the case of
the dead doctor, but is firm that it is case closed if Nick can't find
anything substantiative to suggest it was really a murder....and that
Nick is OK with this. They resisted the sterotype of a police captain
who "doesn't understand" things the way the detectives do. Stonetree
gave a little. Nick gave a little. It feels like the way people really
do work together.
9) "If I had known, I would have offered her my decorator." Janette
gets off some of the best lines in the entire series.
10) Nick: "Suicide is Never the answer"
Erica: "Isn't it, I Mean for us??? The time will come."
Nick: "No, not by my own hand"
Erica: "You don't really believe you can become mortal. that is
nothing more than a fantasy nicholas."
Nick: "No, I believe it."
No one could call this forshadowing...but I do hear an eerie echo of
Last Knight myself.
11) "Think of the paperwork if you drop him". That's Schanke...knowing
who will end up doing the paperwork and having something better to do
with his day.
12) I liked Nick's quip about enjoyoing the middle ages.
Tim
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Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:43:48 -0400
From: Judith Lieberman <judithl21@a.......>
Subject: dvd
Well I finally broke down and bought a dvd player. It was so cheap I couldn't
resist. Now to get FK on dvd and get rid of old tapes. JudyL
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Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:05:37 -0400
From: "Phillips, Tim" <Tim.Phillips@s.......>
Subject: Re: dvd
> Well I finally broke down and bought a dvd player. It was so cheap I
couldn't resist. Now to get FK on dvd and > get rid of old tapes.
Check out www.deepdiscountdvd.com
they offer all 3 seasons of FK (season 3 is a preorder that this
time) at what is generally the lowest price you can find, plus Nick
Knight (for $5.99 how could you claim to be a FK fan and not have a
copy....) Shipping is free and they've given me excellent service for
many years.
Tim
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