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Digest - 26 Jul 2006 to 27 Jul 2006 (#2006-200)
Thu, 27 Jul 2006
There are 10 messages totalling 343 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. FK Season 3 DVD set (4)
2. Episode Discussion: For I Have Sinned
3. Hey all
4. BB on QAF? (3)
5. Episode discussion: For I Have Sinned--Seal of the confessional
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:14:03 -0700
From: Kristen Fife <fenix23fyre@y......>
Subject: Re: FK Season 3 DVD set
My favorite, Deep Discount DVD's (States) has it for:
$43.08 pre-order
http://www.deepdiscountdvd.com/dvd.cfm?itemID=COL015922
--- Amanda Berendt <debrabant_foundation@y......>
wrote:
> First I just have to say WOOT!!!!!!
>
> I just checked amazon and they have it listed for
> $41.99 on sale. Kewl.
"The price for this gift is the darkness of the night, and the blood
of humanity to sustain you." -THICKER THAN WATER, Kristen Fife in
progress
See my blog at http://spaces.msn.com/members/landinn/
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:59:03 -0400
From: Adina Montgomery <adinaruth@e.......>
Subject: Re: FK Season 3 DVD set
DeepDiscountDVD has it also for $43.08 (US$) with free shipping.
http://www.deepdiscountdvd.com/dvd.cfm?itemID=COL015922
-----Original Message-----
> From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
> Sent: Jul 26, 2006 4:24 PM
> To: FORKNI-L@l.......
> Subject: Re: FK Season 3 DVD set
>
> Amazon.ca has it for $47.54 Cdn, which they say is 30% off list price:
> http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B000H5TH16/701-4750366-2580354?v=glance&n=917972
> &s=dvd&v=glance
>
> It's not on the Chapters/Indigo website. Placing my pre-order now!!!
>
> Your humble & obedient servant,
> Angela Gottfred
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:18:02 -0700
From: Laurie of the Isles <laudon1228@y......>
Subject: Re: FK Season 3 DVD set
--- Amanda Berendt <debrabant_foundation@y......>
wrote:
> First I just have to say WOOT!!!!!!
>
> I just checked amazon and they have it listed for
> $41.99 on sale.
If you're ordering from Amazon.com, why not click to
it through the Forever Knight listing at
TVShowsonDVD.com. They don't have a clickable link up
yet, but if you can wait a bit to preorder, I bet they
will soon. Clicking through them to get to Amazon.com
supports TVShowsonDVD.com, which has been a great
resource for news on DVDs in FK and many other
fandoms.
Laurie of the Isles
<Laudon1228@y......>
http://1-mad-squirrel.livejournal.com/
"Never meddle in the affairs of vampires, for you are a walking juice
box and would fit nicely in Nick's trunk." - me
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:44:09 -0400
From: Debbie Clarke <dittany121@h.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: For I Have Sinned
He may have but in telling Father Rochefort he made him complicit in his
cleansing of the church He may even been pointing out to him in a twisted
sense that this something he should have taken care of himself. I was
thinking from the point of view of Father Rochefort that it would be pure
torture for him to know that he could stop this man from doing what he was
doing but only at the expense of his own beliefs and everything he was.
He couldn't help but feel some sort of responsibility for each death
that happened afterwards.
Debbie
> From: Kristen Fife <fenix23fyre@y......>
>
I think he held respect for the priesthood,
> although he might have been frustrated that the church
> wasn't "able" to cleanse itself.
>
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 01:37:40 -0700
From: Tammy Smith <nikbait@y......>
Subject: Hey all
Hello everyone. I am back after a several year hiatus from this list.
I have since been married and now have a home:) I just heard the
great news that FK season 3 is going to be FINALLY! released onto
dvd!! YAYYYY!! Anyways, just wanted to drop a note saying hi, and
look forward to all the discussions that I know I have missed!
Love,
Tammy Smith (lidyard)
nikbait@y......
"The Key To Immortality Is First Living A Life Worth Remembering"---B.B.L.
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:26:02 -0700
From: Bonnie <callalily@l.......>
Subject: BB on QAF?
Am I the only one who didn't know that Ben Bass was on Queer As Folk? I'm
watching the fifth season and he just walks in, saunters up to one of the
regulars, and plants a big wet one! OMG!
Was this all over the list and I missed it or did no one say anything?
Wow, John Kapelos AND Ben Bass on the final season of QAF. Man oh man.
Bonnie
callalily@l.......
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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:15:20 +0200
From: Cousin Lucilla <cousinlucilla@f.......>
Subject: Re: BB on QAF?
It was mentioned very briefly on the list when the episodes first aired.
Bonnie wrote:
> Am I the only one who didn't know that Ben Bass was on Queer As Folk? I'm
> watching the fifth season and he just walks in, saunters up to one of the
> regulars, and plants a big wet one!
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 06:46:36 -0400
From: gwatson2 <gwatson2@r.......>
Subject: Episode discussion: For I Have Sinned--Seal of the confessional
On Mon, 24 Jul 2006, Mary Combs wrote:
> It is and always has been a wrenching problem for a priest of conscience
> precisely because he may not speak even if a murderer not only tells him
> that he has killed in the past but also reveals his intention to kill in the
> future--a statement that makes absolution impossible.
The first article she cites, Father William Saunders'
http://catholiceducation.org/articles/religion/re0059.html, is very clear on
the absolute constraint placed on a priest in this situation. He may speak
of something said to him in confession only if the penitent wishes him to do
so--which obviously is not true of the killer in "For I Have Sinned".
In fact, according to Saunders, a priest is not even supposed to act on
what he has heard in a way that would "displease" the penitent.
It strikes me that, in trying to warn Magda, Father Rochefort came *at
best* pretty perilously close to violating canon law. His warning her would
surely "displease" the killer! (Mind you, I don't imagine anyone in the
story would be about to complain to an ecclesiastical court.)
However, the second article Mary cites
(http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13649b.htm) is interesting because it
describes the history of the interaction of ecclesiastical and state law in
this matter--mostly with reference to English common law.
As she points out, the article was written almost a hundred years ago,
and is hence out of date. At that time, some jurisdictions--and the
article cites some American states as examples--did indeed have statutes
that exempted priests from having to testify about things told them in
confession. However, there was *no* privileged communication for priests in
the various legal sysems in Britain. The fact that this article is so old
may well mean that it is out of date on this point. But it is definite that
there was (then) no statute explicitly conferring privilege on priests under
English law, nor did they have such privilege under English common law.
And, at that time, the same was true in Canada.
I've tried checking online to see if I can find out what the situation
is today; but I can't particularly find anything one way or the other. So I
don't know whether there may (or may not) be some current statute in
Canadian law permitting priests to refuse to testify on the basis of
confidentiality.
Of course, I'm not a lawyer. (Any Canadian lawyers out there?)
.
One thing is clear: there have certainly been cases in the past where an
*English* court has required a priest to reveal something he learned in
confession. Each time it happened, the priest refused to do so, and was
imprisoned for contempt of court.
Now, none of those cases cited in the encyclopedia article involved a
serious offence. And it is here, particularly, that the ethical question
becomes significant. The article makes frequent reference to "public
policy", and points out that strictures on the Catholic church eased a lot
towards the end of the nineteenth century once Catholicism ceased to be
proscribed or restricted under English law. This means that public policy
in the twentieth century might be expected to run increasingly towards
*accepting* the Catholic church's position on the privileged position of
priests when it comes to not having to testify.
But "public policy" also mandates the preservation of public safety. It
is noticeable that the article cites one quite early legal authority who
held that there were circumstances in which priests should not have
privilege--notably where high treason was involved, because of the threat to
the public weal.
Well, a serial killer certainly also threatens public safety! How many
people would still support Rochefort's refusal to help the police if there
had been further murders?
He did have a choice to speak. He chose not to; but he *could* have.
The ethical issues surrounding his refusal were not really addressed in "For
I Have Sinned". It was written in such a way that Rochefort's silence did
not affect the outcome of the story: there were no further victims; so the
*potential* consequences were avoided, and Rochefort thus avoided any
specific blame.
And, of course, the story was about faith: his and Joan's, and how they
impacted on Nick's own blighted certainties. So the writers did not want to
come up with circumstances in which his silence would have negative
consequences. They wanted Rochefort's silence to confirm his faith, since
that was the theme.
So the ethical issues were not the point of the episode--that doesn't mean
that they don't arise. Should the writers have slanted the story the way
they did? Basically, by contriving it so that Rochefort's silence had no
bad results, they avoided the ethical issues; and thus they certainly did
slant the story.
Greer
gwatson2@r.......
http://ca.geocities.com/gwatson2@rogers.com/index.html
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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 07:12:00 -0700
From: "jerezfino@y......" <jerezfino@y......>
Subject: Re: FK Season 3 DVD set
Shipping would also be free at Amazon, making it $1.09 cheaper. <g>
:) Boomer
Adina Montgomery <adinaruth@e.......> wrote:
DeepDiscountDVD has it also for $43.08 (US$) with free shipping.
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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:41:49 -0700
From: Tammy Smith <nikbait@y......>
Subject: Re: BB on QAF?
What is this show? What channel is it on?? I have not seen any FK
actor on anything except for Ger in Black Harbour...
tammy
Bonnie <callalily@l.......> wrote:
Am I the only one who didn't know that Ben Bass was on Queer As Folk? I'm
watching the fifth season and he just walks in, saunters up to one of the
regulars, and plants a big wet one! OMG!
Was this all over the list and I missed it or did no one say anything?
Wow, John Kapelos AND Ben Bass on the final season of QAF. Man oh man.
Bonnie
callalily@l.......
"The Key To Immortality Is First Living A Life Worth Remembering"---B.B.L.
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