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Digest - 2 Jul 2006 to 3 Jul 2006 - Special issue (#2006-180)
Mon, 3 Jul 2006
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Topics in this special issue:
1. Fw: Re: Episode Discussion: Dark Knight 1 & 2
2. Episode Discussion: Dark Knight 1 & 2 (17)
3. question about Canada's medical licencing laws (2)
4. Natalie's Potions (3)
5. Natalie's Potions...
6. Discussion Dark Knight 1-2
7. ADMIN: FORKNI-L Rules
8. Looking For a Story (2)
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Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 17:07:44 -0400
From: Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Fw: Re: Episode Discussion: Dark Knight 1 & 2
Forwarded for Kristin whose mailer insisted on sending it only to me. - Mclisa
>>Did anyone else think the tension in these first eps between Nick and Natalie
was rather stilted?
>>
>>"The price for this gift is the darkness of the night, and the blood of
humanity to sustain you." -THICKER THAN WATER, Kristen Fife in progressSee my blog
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Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 23:23:06 +0100
From: Linda Hepden <kezia.hepden@n.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: Dark Knight 1 & 2
Kristen wrote:
>>>Did anyone else think the tension in these first eps between Nick and
>>>Natalie was rather stilted?
What struck me in these first two episodes about their relationship was how
much of an outright nag Natalie was - practically screaming at him to do
this or don't do that; bullying the poor fellow left, right and centre.
Come on, Nat, that's no way to win a guy's affections!
Cousin Kezia
kezia.hepden@n.......
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Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 16:32:10 -0600
From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
Subject: Re: question about Canada's medical licencing laws
> I know the answer for the US, but what would happen to a Canadian doctor if
it
came out they
> had cheated on some of their final exams in Medical School?
I'm sure it would be the same thing--he/she would be turfed out of the Canadian
Medical Association and his/her provincial medical associations. This means
losing their licence to practice.
(Thankfully, AFAIK this situation has never come up--although doctors have
certainly lost their licences for other things, like murder convictions...)
Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred
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Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 16:32:10 -0600
From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
Subject: Re: Natalie's Potions
> Can someone please explain to me the nutritional value of green tea for a
> vampire?
Well, I don't know about nutritional value, but certainly it has an effect on
human metabolism; the effect of caffeine is the best known of those. This web
page from the University of Maryland Medical Center has a good run-down on the
known medical effects of green tea:
http://www.umm.edu/altmed/ConsHerbs/GreenTeach.html
Of course, a wide variety of other concotions can have the same appearance as
green tea.
Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred
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Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 19:28:59 -0400
From: gwatson2 <gwatson2@r.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: Dark Knight 1 & 2
In response to my writing--
> As a Torontonian, I found myself looking at Schanke in the car, trying to
>figure out his route as he drove around in the Caddy.
--Libby responded:
>As for figuring out what direction Schanke was heading, you can't really do
that in most tv shows and movies as locations are often filmed out of order.
Oh, I know. Most times, you just get a melange of shots of any old streets.
My point here was that, for once, you actually *can* come pretty close to
figuring out what route a character must have taken. If, say, Schanke (a)
drove just round the top of Queen's Park and then west on Hoskin Avenue;
then (b) turned north on Spadina or Bathurst and driven up to St Clair or
Eglinton; and then (c) back east to Avenue Road and turned south, then he
would indeed be (d) heading south down the Infamous Hill where (the camera
picks him up again and) we see him lose control of the Caddy.
Why would he make such a loop? Well, just as he left the hospital
garage, he called into the station to say that he was taking a few minutes
coffee break--Caddy break, more like--to go tooling around in Nick's car for
a bit. Wouldn't it follow that this would mean that he'd be looping round,
then going back to pick up the route from the hospital to the station?
What's striking is that they actually filmed shots that you can (kind
of) put together to form a route that makes sense.
But that polka! It would have had to go on through the entire trip. Poor
Nick.
Greer
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Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 20:10:17 -0400
From: Debbie Clarke <dittany121@h.......>
Subject: Re: Natalie's Potions
I always thought it more a case of being sociable. getting Nick to a
point where he would be able to join in and drink something like tea or
coffee with his fellow officers.
Debbie
>From: Linda Hepden <kezia.hepden@n.......>
>
>One thing that struck me on re-watching 'Dark Knight' was that wierd green
>brew that Nat serves up for Nick in the morgue - she vaguely identifies it
>as tea, and I'm left wondering - Why tea?
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Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 21:15:43 -0400
From: gwatson2 <gwatson2@r.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: Dark Knight 1 & 2
Linda Hepden wrote:
> I never figured out whether it was LaCroix or Nick who brought Alyce
> Hunter
> over - there's not enough info given to tell us who it was.
Now this is something that I too have pondered over. It is clear from later
episodes that Nick is exceedingly reluctant, at least nowadays, to bring
people across. Natalie has a very hard time convincing him to do this when
her brother is shot; and, if he'd just recently done it to Alyce, that would
have been a very strong argument for her to use against his protestations.
("You did it for her, why not for Richard?") Of course, consistency wasn't
the show's strongest suit; and slight shifts or adjustments are common
between a pilot/premiere and subsequent episodes. But it does suggest that
LaCroix is a far more likely candidate to bring Alyce over.
Against that is the fact that LaCroix has vanished in a puff of smoke.
Literally. And, although we know from the rest of the series that he did
not actually die, Nick certainly believed that he did. So he could hardly
have come back to the loft in order to offer Alyce a drink of his blood (as
he did Nick when he brought him over in 1228). Nick would have seen him.
Now, if we look at the actual lines spoken in the tag when Nick talks to
Natalie about Alyce and LaCroix, he says, "She wanted to live forever."
Natalie responds, "So did you. It's very seductive, isn't it? The idea of
never dying." Nick then says, "Yeah. And...never being able to be in love.
Is that seductive? She had no idea. No. Alyce and LaCroix, *they're* the
lucky ones."
I originally interpreted this to mean to be a reference to Nick's
believing that both Alyce and LaCroix are dead: that he thinks they, being
dead, are better off than he is in his "undead" state. A nicely morbid
sentiment that Natalie immediately pooh-poohs.
But, if you think about it, you can see in these words the same sort of
ambiguity you get at the end of "The Human Factor". You can, if you wish,
interpret Nick's words to mean instead that he thinks Alyce and LaCroix are
lucky because they (unlike Nick) actually want to live forever and don't
care about being unable to be in love. (And again, naturally, Natalie's
next words are a refutation of the notion that Nick really believes this.)
That LaCroix is--or is believed to be--dead would be irrelevant, since Nick
would be referring to their satisfaction with the vampire state: the lucky
vampires are the ones who don't want anything beyond a cold eternity.
Like Natalie, I don't think this actually is what Nick means. But it is
a *possible* interpretation. And it would mean that it was Nick who brought
Alyce across, giving her what she asked him for.
Of course, there's always the scene of his crying over her body. But we
don't actually know that he was sobbing because she was dead. He could have
been sobbing because LaCroix's attack had brought her so close to death that
Nick is faced with only the choice between letting her die or bringing her
across (shades of "Last Knight"!), . Telling her of the bad side of
vampirism so that she'd change her mind would, I am sure, have been his
preference--but, when she's unconscious and near death, he's out of time.
The option of talking her out becoming a vampire would no longer exist. So
he sobs in frustration, because he has left to him only the choice of death
or undeath for her. Maybe.
This would also explain why Nick had no questions about Alyce's body. If he
thought she had died, one would expect questions. After all, Schanke
mentions Fenner's oddly lightweight corpse: why doesn't Nick wonder why his
partner isn't equally curious about the blood loss in Alyce's corpse? If he
knows Alyce is a vampire, these questions are moot--for, of course, there
would have been no corpse.
But no. I don't see it as being Nick, who brought Alyce across. The
interpretation is possible, I suppose; but it seems forced. The show was
always a bit ambiguous about what it took to turn someone into a vampire;
and that leaves a third option--the one suggested by Cousin Lucilla:
> it certainly was LC who brought her across by accident, because he was
> interrupted by Nick skewering him like kebap
Whatever the role played by the deliberate drink of blood (such as LaCroix
gave Nick in 1228), there are certainly FK vampires who were not brought
over that way. Remember Jack the Ripper in "Bad Blood"? LaCroix was so
disgusted by the taste of his blood that he didn't drain him all the way to
death, and therefore wanted Nick to go and make sure the man was dead,
because he was afraid he would come across. As Screed put it, you have to
"lick your plate clean".
So I agree with Cousin Lucilla. I think Alyce was accidentally brought
across by being drained almost to death, but not quite drained entirely, so
that she lived long enough for the physically infective aspect of vampirism
to spread through her body. Presumably she came across, woke up, and flew
off before Natalie and Schanke arrived.
But the ambiguity is still there; so the fan writer can play it any way they
prefer, with perfect freedom to justify it.
However, this still leaves questions. What happened to the ambulance?
Uh, did I hear someone ask "What ambulance"? Well, when Jeannie
collapsed in Nick's elevator, Alyce called an ambulance. Remember? It was
because she thought Fenner was a paramedic that she let him up to the loft.
So then all the events of the last act of DK2 take place. That's what?
All told maybe five or six minutes? It does take an ambulance around that
long to arrive: reponse times downtown are fast, as I know from the several
times my mother had a heart episode and I had to call an ambulance for her.
But fast is not instantaneous: five minutes is a minimum, leaving plenty of
time for LaCroix to kill Fenner, attack Alyce, and be skewered by Nick.
So the ambulance would have arrived in the commercial break, very
shortly after LaCroix disappeared into smoke.
Now Natalie and Schanke must have turned up in the car at more or less the
same time. Apparently, Nick was in a state of collapse. What argument did
Natalie employ on Schanke to get him to let her give Nick a transfusion of
his blood? One would expect Schanke to insist on calling an ambulance.
But, in fact, there could well have been one sitting right there
already--the one called by Alyce!
Okay. Obviously, the ambulance couldn't have been there when they arrived.
Nor could it have got there later, since Natalie would have been
mid-transfusion, which takes time, and would certainly have resulted in
questions and complications and stuff that doesn't seem to have happened.
So, presumably, the ambulance arrived before Natalie and Schanke did; and
Nick must have already hypnotized the paramedics and sent them away. (That
takes care of that.)
But it still doesn't explain why Schanke let Natalie take his blood for
Nick. Why didn't he insist on calling an ambulance? Bearing in mind the
quick response times downtown, that is really the only thing one would
expect him to do.
Did Nick whammy Schank?
The trouble with that possibility is the dialogue in the tag. Nick
seems to have been in extremis by the time that Nat and Schank arrived. In
fact, Natalie's words suggest that, had he not got the transfusion, he would
have died. Certainly, he must have appeared close to death for any
arguments of Natalie's to work on Schanke. She can only have said something
along the lines of, "I've got to give him a transfusion *now*. We can't
wait five minutes for an ambulance. He'll be dead by then."
But, this is a dramatic collapse that must have taken place
completely off screen. In the fight with LaCroix, Nick is nowhere near
unconscious. Yet, presumably, by the time Nat and Schank arrived, Nick
*was* unconscious. He must have been, because it's quite clear that he has
absolutely no idea that he has a pint of Grade A Schanke sloshing about in
his veins.
So what happened in the commercial break? The ambulance that Alyce called
arrived, and got sent away (presumably by Nick). Nick lost consciousness.
Alyce woke up and flew away. Natalie and Schanke arrived; and she persuaded
Schanke not to call paramedics, but let her do a transfusion. Someone
called the fire brigade--must have, or the warehouse would have burned down.
And the fire fighters arrived to find her transfusing Nick with Schanke's
blood, and no paramedics on scene! In *my* experience, if you call 911
about an old lady with a heart problem, you get two ambulances, a fire
engine, and a cop car. (Seriously.)
Anyone want to work out what happened here? I can get the story to this
point; but, once the fire fighters on scene, it's got me stymied.
I guess it does make sense to put the whole mess into a commercial break.
Greer Watson
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Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 22:27:05 EDT
From: KaAG@a.......
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: Dark Knight 1 & 2
In a message dated 7/2/2006 8:16:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
gwatson2@r....... writes:
The ambulance that Alyce called arrived, and got sent away (presumably by
Nick). Nick lost consciousness. Alyce woke up and flew away. Natalie and
Schanke arrived; and she persuaded
Schanke not to call paramedics, but let her do a transfusion. Someone called
the fire brigade--must have, or the warehouse would have burned down.
You make some good points but how about this as an interim scene... Schanke
and Nat arrive before the ambulance. The fire is raging, and Nick has lost
consciousness. Alyce is in the state of transition and therefore has no pulse.
Schanke pulls Nick out of the fire but since Nat can't find a pulse on Alyce,
they leave her. They meet the paramedics outside. Alyce wakes up and flies away
before the firemen arrive. As a physician, Natalie has taken charge so the
paramedics don't get a chance to *really* assess Nick. I doubt highly that the
paramedics had blood on board. Blood coolers are not standard equipment in
ambulances-- at least none that I rode in (and I did neonatal transport for 12
years) Giving emergency, uncrossmatched blood is not as common as TV would make
it
seem. You pretty much are signing away your firstborn to get the blood bank
to release it (ok, yes, I've argued with blood bank more than once). There are
other products used for volume expansion that are more stable that the
paramedics would stock but as a physician, Natalie could have borrowed the
equipment
from the paramedics and convinced Schanke that his partner couldn't wait
until getting to the hospital, and since he knew his blood type, she could
vouch
for it's compatibility so that no one argued.
Sound logical?
Karen
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Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 20:06:19 -0700
From: "Lynn L. Sowinski" <lls761@s.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: Dark Knight 1 & 2
If GWD was the "near stranger" maybe you would change your mind.
Lynn
Personally, I've never felt inclined to demand a hug from a near stranger,
but then again, maybe I'm missing out ;-)
If Dogs Don't Go To Heaven, When I Die, I Want To Go Where They Went.
Heart Attacks - God's Revenge For Eating His Animal Friends.
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Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 22:27:22 -0500
From: Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@c.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: Dark Knight 1 & 2
Petra wrote:
> And that's exactly the scene which always gives me the
> creeps. Maybe I'm a bit odd, but I value books too highly
> to have them soiled with any kind of food. I wouldn't want
> this woman anywhere near old and precious artefacts! That's
> why I prefer the second Alyce.
I didn't think those were precious old books, I thought they were
simply old textbooks or accounts of expeditions. I would hope that
even a goofy archaeologist would know how to handle truly rare old
manuscripts!
And didn't TV Alyce put one of the books into a photocopy machine? You
wouldn't do that to a valuable book---think what that does to the
book's spine, not to mention the bright light on the page.
Regarding the comment from someone else (was it David?) that vampAlyce
could have acted as a counterweight to Natalie---that's what Janette
was for. Adding another female to the mixture would have upset the
lovely balance we had: Nick in a triangle with Natalie and Janette,
and Nick in the triangle with Lacroix and Schanke. These relationship
triangles allowed the writers to show Nick being pulled between
humanity and vampirism in his life in Toronto.
Nancy Kaminski
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Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 20:35:12 -0700
From: Laurie of the Isles <laudon1228@y.......>
Subject: Re: Natalie's Potions...
...seem to work about as well as Neville Longbottom's.
;-)
Laurie of the Isles
<Laudon1228@y.......>
http://1-mad-squirrel.livejournal.com/
"Never meddle in the affairs of vampires, for you are a walking juice box and
would fit nicely in Nick's trunk." - me
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Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 22:37:31 -0500
From: Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@c.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: Dark Knight 1 & 2
> anteros@j....... wrote:
> I remember being perplexed why Nick seemed to shrug it off and hug
> her, like this was a normal thing... Personally, I've never felt
> inclined to demand a hug from a near stranger, but then
> again, maybe I'm missing out ;-)
Perhaps we've just never been alone in a spooky museum after a murder
with a gorgeous guy like Nick. <g> But seriously, I thought that was
just about the lamest moment in the episode. I am willing to believe
in mystical jade cups before believing in a grown woman actually
speaking those lines.
Nancy Kaminski
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Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 22:46:16 -0500
From: Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@c.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: Dark Knight 1 & 2
> Linda Hepden wrote:
> What struck me in these first two episodes about their
> relationship was how much of an outright nag Natalie was - practically screaming
> at him to do this or don't do that; bullying the poor fellow left, right
> and centre. Come on, Nat, that's no way to win a guy's affections!
We don't know how long Nat had been working with Nick when she
confronts Nick in that scene where he's watching movies and guzzling
blood. But presumably it's been long enough for him to have done some
very intense begging for help, with attendant promises to try anything
she comes up with. And then there he is, backsliding in a very
dramatic (and melodramatic) way. For all we know she's come up against
this behavior before, and she just snapped.
And I don't think she's trying to win his affections at this
point---she's trying to work with a recalcitrant patient, and at a
time when very, very strange deaths are occurring that seem to be just
a trifle too close to home. Remember Nick telling Nat he kissed Alyce?
And how she seems to be encouragin him developing human relationships?
That's not exactly the action of a woman out to win a guy's affections
for herself.
Nancy Kaminski
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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 08:19:46 -0400
From: Cheryl <fknight420@c.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: Dark Knight 1 & 2
Nick was across the room staring at LaCroix and Alyce. LaCroix glared,
snarled and bit her tossing her head backwards. This I saw in the episode.
Nick thinks she gone.
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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 12:22:31 -0400
From: Cheryl <fknight420@c.......>
Subject: Discussion Dark Knight 1-2
I found Alyce interesting, I thought the chemisrty was fine, maybe a
slight distance because of Nick's sercret. She was drawn to him because
of it and its power. Stonetree I found he had an idea he was different,
but like you said, he's a good and a good man; don't matter. The
chemistry between Nick and Schanke was great, they played along with
each others differences and blended very well. Nick and Natalie were
great, Nick's fear of his demon and being a gentleman of the 13th
century, kept him there. There love for each was pure and honest. My
opinion only. Nick and Lacroix, the friendship-father and son bond was
perfect; I'm not a fan of Vachon, Urs, or Tracey.
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 10:16:11 +0200
From: P J <blue_twingo772@y.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: Dark Knight 1 & 2
anteros@j....... wrote:
> The "hold me" line I remember just recoiling from. Who talks like that? <
I remember Princess Leia uttering a similar line to Han Solo in Return of the
Jedi while they're up in the Ewok village. Despite the line I wouldn't regard
her as needy.
As to hugging a near stranger, maybe it was his irresistible charisma that
drew her into his arms. He just got shot, probably the vampire was closer to the
surface and that's very alluring. He's clearly in "hunting mode" when he
approaches her from behind. And the need to replenish the blood he lost during the
shooting drives him to pull her into his arms. A natural response to the hunger
that must be clawing at him. Lacroix would no doubt be pleased to see him like
this.
In conclusion, this is in fact one of my favorite scenes because in my
opinion it shows a darker Nick, which I like very much.
Petra.
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 10:57:34 +0100
From: Luicia <luicia1705@y.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: Dark Knight 1 & 2
It's been mentioned that GWD and CD suggested it would
be better to emphasize the Nick Nat relationship
rather than the Nick Alyce one... could her nagging
attitute be part of that ?
Nat thinking over in her head "Nick is so handsome and
wonderful blah blah blah ....he sees me only as a
friend blah blah blah... Why doesn't he look at me
that way"
I also get the impression that this was the first time
Nick has reacted to a woman around Natalie. Did any
one else get that feeling or am I watching the wrong
Nick LOL
--- Linda Hepden <kezia.hepden@n.......> wrote:
>
> What struck me in these first two episodes about
> their relationship was how
> much of an outright nag Natalie was -
"Life is what happens when you're busy making other plans" John Lennon
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 11:33:39 +0100
From: Luicia <luicia1705@y.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: Dark Knight 1 & 2
Ahh yes but we had 3 films and an established
connection between the two when she muttered those
words... also she had just, JUST found out about her
brother and father 2 seconds before that.
It's the believability stake coming in again - would
you plead with a stranger to hold you. But you have
brought up an element that I had not considered...
Nick's hunger
Dark Nick could use his hypnosis on her to bend her
will... after 800 years he would surely have made some
way in learning subtlety while bending the will of
others.
Could we have been too harsh on Alyce for her
neediness? Could it have been Nick's need for blood
that made her say it. In OtL, Lacroix bends Nats
though she is a resistor - could Nick be more powerful
than he realises? Could this inner, hidden power be
another reason that LC tries to hold on to him? Does
anyone else smell another fiction ;D
--- P J <blue_twingo772@y.......> wrote:
> anteros@j....... wrote:
> > The "hold me" line I remember just recoiling
> from. Who talks like that? <
>
> I remember Princess Leia uttering a similar line
> to Han Solo in Return of the Jedi while they're up
> in the Ewok village. Despite the line I wouldn't
> regard her as needy.
"Life is what happens when you're busy making other plans" John Lennon
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 11:35:04 +0100
From: Luicia <luicia1705@y.......>
Subject: Re: Looking For a Story
Sorry to interupt the discussion but Sarah, did you
ever find this story?
Luicia
--- Sarah Smith <lucien1228@h.......> wrote:
> I'm looking for the one where the surrent Captain, I
> think it's Reese, finds
> out that Nick was born in Belgium. There was one
> called 'Secrets' but that's
> not it. Thanks.
>
> Sarah
>
"Life is what happens when you're busy making other plans" John Lennon
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 08:46:59 -0400
From: "Phillips, Tim" <Tim.Phillips@s.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: Dark Knight 1 & 2
I also agree about the chemistry between Alyce and Nick. But for some
reason my husband really liked her and said he would have like to see
her in a few more episodes. I guess it's a guy thing!
I thought Laura Johnson (from the Nick Knight movie with Rick
Springfield) was a more intriguing character. She seems to have more
depth. I also think she had a better script. Watching Dark Knight and
Nick Knight, I was struck by how small changes in the script had made
certain sequences "awkward". The "hold me" scene does feel forced in
Dark Knight. In Nick Knight, Alyce ends up in Nick's arms in a more
"natural" way that doesn't require the actress to "force" the action
with a line that feels wrong.
I think my largest regret for Alyce in Dark Knight is that is the
last we saw of her. I would have liked to see an episode in the first
season where Nick ended up dealing with the fallout of Alyce becoming a
vampire. It would have been interesting to see Nick dealing with a
series of vampiric murders that he eventually realizes are being caused
by Alyce...
Tim
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 08:52:12 -0400
From: "Phillips, Tim" <Tim.Phillips@s.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: Dark Knight 1 & 2
> I too believe that Stonetree knew 'something' was different about
Nick.
I get the feeling that there was an interest is maybe having
Stonetree put all the pieces together at some point in the future...sort
of how Schanke later did it.
I like Stonetree's character. I've always felt that he was too
observant to just keep brushing off these odd tales about how Nick did
something "miraculous". His observations to me are balanced by an
innate skepticisms. He will talk about scorpions coming from miles
around take vengence... but he states that this is just a legend, like
vampires.
If FK was being started today, it would be nice to think that
Stonetree's character may have an arc from skeptic to believer much like
Dana Scully ended up having in the X-Files.
Tim
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 08:56:24 -0400
From: "Phillips, Tim" <Tim.Phillips@s.......>
Subject: Re: Natalie's Potions
>One thing that struck me on re-watching 'Dark Knight' was that wierd
green brew that Nat serves up for Nick in the morgue - she >>vaguely
identifies it as tea, and I'm left wondering - Why tea?
Why not tea???
When she leaves a voice-mail for Nick one morning she says she wants
him to "eat something". So long as he isn't hitting a bottle of blood,
she doesn't really care what.
It makes sense that she might deliberately encourage Nick to try
different foods, in the hopes that something would be appealing and move
him closer toward humanity if he ate "normal" foods regularly.
Tim
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 09:50:06 -0400
From: "Phillips, Tim" <Tim.Phillips@s.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: Dark Knight 1 & 2
1) Does anyone know if the way that LaCroix "died" (by disappearing into
a puff of smoke without a visible corpse) was deliberately done so they
would have the option of him reappearing in Nick's life?
2) in watching my DVDs, I was reminded again how much the missing scenes
(Schanke's cologne, Nick saying the suit of armor was wrong), added to
the show. I'd love to get a "definitive edition" DVD with the material
that was cut for various broadcasts restored.
3) anyone got a guess as to how LaCroix knew that the jade goblet was at
the museum??? I believe there is a line that says that the exhibit
hadn't opened yet.
4) I watched Nick Knight as well as Dark Knight. I've got to say that I
liked the original symbology of Nick living in renovated theatre with a
marque that read IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE. And watching Schanke's wild
ride in the Caddy down the hill is better than just hearing about it.
Tim
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 09:51:44 -0400
From: Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: Dark Knight 1 & 2
Luicia said:
>It's been mentioned that GWD and CD suggested it would
>be better to emphasize the Nick Nat relationship
>rather than the Nick Alyce one...
I think this is from my remark that CD and GWD decided to play a subtext that
Nat was in love with Nick. They couldn't decide on relationship emphasis,
actually, because that's a matter of scripting, producer/story editor's development
of characters, and to some extent the directors of the individual episodes.
In case the actor's jargon I used wasn't clear, playing a subtext is what an
actor does when portraying the aspects of a character which are not spoken lines
or directed movement.
McLisa
mclisa@m.......
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 07:41:08 -0700
From: Sarah Smith <lucien1228@h.......>
Subject: Re: Looking For a Story
No I didn't. Sorry.
Sarah
>From: Luicia <luicia1705@y.......>
>Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show <FORKNI-L@l.......>
>To: FORKNI-L@l.......
>Subject: Re: Looking For a Story
>Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 11:35:04 +0100
>
>Sorry to interupt the discussion but Sarah, did you
>ever find this story?
>
>Luicia
>--- Sarah Smith <lucien1228@h.......> wrote:
>
> > I'm looking for the one where the surrent Captain, I
> > think it's Reese, finds
> > out that Nick was born in Belgium. There was one
> > called 'Secrets' but that's
> > not it. Thanks.
> >
> > Sarah
> >
>
>
>"Life is what happens when you're busy making other plans" John Lennon
>
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 07:44:38 -0700
From: Sarah Smith <lucien1228@h.......>
Subject: Re: question about Canada's medical licencing laws
I believe that if it was proven that they had cheated, or admitted to
cheating, that their licence is revoked and they can't re-take the exams to
get it back.
Sarah
>From: Megan Hull <mistrydder@y.......>
>Reply-To: Forever Knight TV show <FORKNI-L@l.......>
>To: FORKNI-L@l.......
>Subject: question about Canada's medical licencing laws
>Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 13:06:03 -0700
>
>I know the answer for the US, but what would happen to a Canadian doctor if
>it came out they had cheated on some of their final exams in Medical
>School?
>
> -Megan
>
>
>"Eternal nights too short,
>How quickly melt away,
>With all the love we shared once,
>Forever in a Day."
>
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 06:38:27 -0700
From: Laurie of the Isles <laudon1228@y.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: Dark Knight 1 & 2
--- Linda Hepden <kezia.hepden@n.......> wrote:
>
> What struck me in these first two episodes about
> their relationship was how much of an outright nag
Natalie was - <snip> Come on, Nat, that's no way to
win a guy's affections!
I don't think she was supposed to be *trying* to win
his affections in the early episodes. Remember it's
been said that GWD and CD were playing her desire for
him, or their desire for each other as *subtext* at
that point. it wasn't officially on the page.
Remember Nat encouraging him to follow his feelings
for Alyse?
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