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Digest - 30 Jun 2006 to 1 Jul 2006 (#2006-178)
Sat, 1 Jul 2006
There are 24 messages totalling 879 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Episode Discussion: Dark Knight 1 & 2 (15)
2. Dark Knight discussion (3)
3. Dark Knight
4. Today's Birthday: July 1
5. Alyce Hunter (4)
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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 00:24:11 +0100
From: Luicia <luicia1705@y.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: Dark Knight 1 & 2
Have to agree with the Cousin on this... I've gotten
into a habit of forwarding past those scenes now... it
gives me headaches to listen to her.
Luicia
--- Cousin Lucilla <cousinlucilla@f.......> wrote:
> I never really found her portrayal convincing. She
> was presented as a
> clingy, needy nerd (that "Hold me" scene really gets
> on my nerves). Hers
> is the only character change from the original movie
> that I didn't like.
> And chemistry? Not a trace!
>
"Life is what happens when you're busy making other plans" John Lennon
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Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:53:14 -0700
From: Allison Lahikainen <smilewithviolets@y.......>
Subject: Dark Knight discussion
There's always been an interesting debate over whether Stonetree has an inkling
about Nick. This is brought about by the scorpion speech he gives Schanke. I
really want to believe that Stonetree knows but in rewatching the ep. I don't
think he does.
It seems pretty self-explanatory that he's warning Schanke to not get carried
away and generate more hysteria about the vampire killings. Thoughts?
Here's a transcript I found making sure I had the right ep. :)
http://www.twiztv.com/scripts/pilots/foreverknight101.txt
Allison
unnamed cousin
smilewithviolets@y.......
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Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 20:04:47 -0400
From: gwatson2 <gwatson2@r.......>
Subject: Episode Discussion: Dark Knight 1 & 2
As Mary Lynn said:
> I never cared for her either. I thought the character was pushy.
>The whole relationship seemed forced on her part. And she was a stalker.
There's something seriously odd about her connection with Nick. I mean,
although when he's trapped in the boot of the car she's trying repeatedly to
get him at the station (which makes sense), she's previously called him at
home. And this is quite early in the first episode. Where'd she get his
home phone number? Police officers do not hand out their phone numbers to
witnesses; and they usually have unlisted numbers.
She knows his phone number; she knows his address. Of course she knows
his security code, since he told it to her. He *is* trying to impress her
with all that stele-reading of his. That instant attraction cuts both ways.
But yeah: she tracks him all over town, following his car. Stalker,
definitely.
Greer
gwatson2@r.......
http://ca.geocities.com/gwatson2@rogers.com/index.html
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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 01:05:03 +0100
From: Luicia <luicia1705@y.......>
Subject: Re: Dark Knight discussion
i don't think he did... if he had an inkling about
anything it was that Nick had a talent that couldn't
be explained so simply as mere human instinct but it
never seemed that he believe Nick to be supernatural
--- Allison Lahikainen <smilewithviolets@y.......>
wrote:
> There's always been an interesting debate over
> whether Stonetree has an inkling about Nick. This is
> brought about by the scorpion speech he gives
> Schanke. I really want to believe that Stonetree
> knows but in rewatching the ep. I don't think he
> does.
"Life is what happens when you're busy making other plans" John Lennon
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Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:24:07 -0700
From: phylis sullivan <phylis_s_2000_2001@y.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: Dark Knight 1 & 2
I thought I saw her pull out a telephone book before she went and figured out
the numbers for his security code. ???? Maybe. Phylis
gwatson2 <gwatson2@r.......> wrote: . Where'd she get his
home phone number? Police officers do not hand out their phone numbers to
witnesses; and they usually have unlisted numbers.
She knows his phone number; she knows his address.
Phylis (Knightfilli) N&NPacker, Knightie, Dark Knightie
phylis_s_2000_2001@y.......
http://www.geocities.com/phylis_s_2000_2001/phylis_poetry_homepage.html
"We all have our demons." Natalie "Not like this." Nick
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Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 20:31:31 -0400
From: gwatson2 <gwatson2@r.......>
Subject: Episode Discussion: Dark Knight 1 & 2
One thing that struck me when I was watching "Dark Knight" was the number of
little things that went past, almost as throwaways (just convenience, or
minor character stuff), but which were picked up in later episodes in the
season. Schanke's smoking, for example, was made much of in "Feeding the
Beast", and Nick's ability to speak Chinese was used in a couple of
episodes.
As a Torontonian, I found myself looking at Schanke in the car, trying to
figure out his route as he drove around in the Caddy. He took it from the
garage to the hospital. Well, we all know about the lack of bloodmobiles in
Toronto; and blood drives would have been run back then by the Red Cross, so
the blood would not *really* have been taken directly to a hospital.
However, be that as it may: we have to put that part of the story down to
artistic licence (and a lingering plot line from the original movie).
So Schanke leaves the hospital and drives north on Queen's Park
Crescent. He's playing the radio, which, as we all know, had that polka on.
I've walked that road so many times, often enough heading south; so I'm
very familiar with the view: it's definitely Queen's Park Crescent. If
he's rounding that curve heading north, then presumably the hospital in
question must be one of the ones in "Hospital Row". There are a whole bunch
of them on University Avenue just south of College: Toronto General, Mount
Sinai, St. Mike's, Sick Kids.
So Schanke must have been driving north on University Avenue from
whichever of those hospitals he was supposed to be at--and just past
College, University Avenue splits around the Provincial Legislative Building
and the park behind it (i.e. Queen's Park), and gets renamed Queen's Park
Crescent--East or West. Each of them is one-way; and he's on East, which is
the *north*bound one.
So he's heading north, polka blaring on the radio. And the road does
indeed continue north past Bloor Street, only it gets renamed again: now
it's called Avenue Road.
A little while later, Schanke goes out of control on The Hill--which is,
indeed, Avenue Road. I know the hill, too--and I assure you they did indeed
pick a good hill for him to lose control on. I used to drive up it heading
to work at North Toronto Collegiate, where I used to teach night school
classes. There's a traffic light at the top. Oh, that's a lovely place to
get stopped by a red light on an icy winter day, when the motor's cold, and
you're halfway up. That's *up* the hill: which is north.
To go out of control, careering *down* the hill, Schanke must be heading
*south*.
I can only suppose that he must have turned at some point and looped
round. (Oh, yeah.)
And the polka plays on. Longest polka on record.
Greer Watson
gwatson2@r.......
http://ca.geocities.com/gwatson2@rogers.com/index.html
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Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 20:30:07 -0500
From: Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@c.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: Dark Knight 1 & 2
> wirickml@v....... wrote:
> Maybe a different actress might have made a difference, but
> I doubt it. She just didn't seem to fit in the FK universe.
The actress who played this part in the Springfield movie would have
been great, I think. She played Alyce as a sort of goofy misfit, just
the sort of person you'd find working at night in a museum (does
anyone really do that?). The scene where she was munching down junk
food while poring over those old books was hilarious.
Nancy Kaminski
nancykam@c.......
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Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 18:55:42 -0700
From: Michele C <mobody_62@y.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: Dark Knight 1 & 2
Ummm thats not true, I was a witness in a fatal car accident a few years ago
and the cop on the scene gave me his card, which had his office number, cell and
his home number all listed on it. Ok, not the address, but that wouldnt be
hard to find out.
----- Original Message ----
gwatson2 <gwatson2@r.......> wrote: . Where'd she get his
home phone number? Police officers do not hand out their phone numbers to
witnesses; and they usually have unlisted numbers.
She knows his phone number; she knows his address.
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Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:31:19 -0400
From: Cheryl <fknight420@c.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: Dark Knight 1 & 2
I thought they looked great together; that's where Molly's image comes from.
sad it wasn't there. I didn't read or hear that.
Cheryl / fknight420@c.......
'Angus Grady; The Beginning--available in
bookstores nationwide.
Don't trade a treasure
for an empty box.
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BradleyFarley.50megs.com
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Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 22:25:48 -0500
From: Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@c.......>
Subject: Re: Dark Knight discussion
> Allison Lahikainen wrote:
> There's always been an interesting debate over whether
> Stonetree has an inkling about Nick. This is brought about
> by the scorpion speech he gives Schanke. I really want to
> believe that Stonetree knows but in rewatching the ep. I
> don't think he does.
I agree, Idont' think he knows. To me he's showing Schanke how silly
it sounds when cops start talking about the supernatural, especially
when the press is edging into hysterics.
Stonetree has always been my favorite captain---there's something
about his calm demeanor and low-key humor offset Schanke's goofiness
and Nick's intensity. Not to mention it takes a real man to wear that
ridiculous little hat. <g>
Nancy Kaminski
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Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 21:26:11 -0700
From: Libby Singleton <libratsie@s.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: Dark Knight 1 & 2
Some officers WILL give out their home phone in certain situations. It just
depends on the officer and the situation. I can easily see Nick giving out his
phone numbers if he sensed it was necessary.
As for figuring out what direction Schanke was heading, you can't really do
that in most tv shows and movies as locations are often filmed out of order. I
can't remember the name of the very bad movie, but there was one shot in my area
that included several car chases. They most certainly did NOT go in order and
one shot would be on one Interstate, and the very next moment they'd be on one I
recognized as being a different one. <g> So you could pretty much place it
anywhere it'd work for the scene.
--Libs
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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 09:16:18 +0100
From: Linda Hepden <kezia.hepden@n.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: Dark Knight 1 & 2
Amanda Berendt wrote:
> Re: Nick's eating the hamburger or sausage or whatever that is in the
> frying pan.....
>
> Maybe he should have warmed it up at least. It would have at least
> been a little more palatable.
>
Especially as vampires would have originally drank blood direct from the
source, so I assume they would have a preference for 'food' at the normal
human temperature of 98.6F or 37.0C. I'd have to agree about heating it
up!
Cousin Kezia
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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 09:33:37 +0100
From: Linda Hepden <kezia.hepden@n.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: Dark Knight 1 & 2
I never figured out whether it was LaCroix or Nick who brought Alyce Hunter
over - there's not enough info given to tell us who it was. Not that it
makes any sense for either of them to do it.
If Nick hates what he is, and refuses on other occassions to bring others
across, why should he do so now?
And LaCroix has other things on his mind (like being both staked and flamed
by that ungrateful brat of a son! <VBCG>) to bring someone across - unless,
in his haste to get fresh blood to heal his injuries, he is most
uncharacteristically careless and doesn't fully drain her.
Can you imagine LaCroix's reaction to a museum curator who wants to become a
vampire - just so that they can spend all of eternity.... studying the
*past*! I really can't see him agreeing with that attitude. Know your
past, learn it's lessons, by all means, but don't live there.... Anyone
else able to hear him sounding off at his most ascerbic on one of his
Nightcrawler shows about living in the past?
Cousin Kezia
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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 18:44:40 +0930
From: Dorothy <jennii35@i.......>
Subject: Dark Knight
/*From:*/ Linda Hepden <mailto:kezia.hepden@n.......>
Can you imagine LaCroix's reaction to a museum curator who wants to become a
vampire - just so that they can spend all of eternity studying the *past*!
I don't think she was interested in being with him to study the
past....just to be able to do it,
and I feel he didn't finish the job, that is why she became a vampire,
Lacroix got distracted at the end
by having a 4x4 stuck in his chest....lol.
Dot
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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 02:12:50 -0700
From: "David J. Duncan" <dante0220@y.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: Dark Knight 1 & 2
Hi Everyone
Just a few notes--and please forgive any
duplicating earlier comments.....
As I've said here in the past, I feel that Alyce
never got the chance she deserved on the show.
In a lot of ways, she could've been Nat's
opposite--the scientist who's fascinated by
vampirism, comes across (by accident--but comes
across none the less) and accepts what she is.
Certainly, it would've affected the entire
dynamic, producing a tug of war between her and
Nat for Nick and the whole cure/not cure
question.
In addition, that passion for archaeology makes
her a better match for him than Nat (which,
again, is why they got rid of Alyce).
In my own writing, I've pursued this particular
triangle and it did get explosive before
resolving itself. Ironically, in that setting,
Alyce and Nick are on their way to a cure there
(gradually).
As for the whole 'who brought her across' thing,
it was LaCroix. If for nothing else, he wanted
to torture Nick (again) with the 'what you have,
I can take away' mindset which partially sets the
tone for the entire series. Nick loved her
passion and humanity. She accepted Nick for what
he was (again in counterpart to Nat--this
involved an academic as well as a romantic
interest). LC took her to show Nick that yes,
you can like (and be fascinated) by who and what
you are. I think the bigger question would have
been who taught her the basics (Vampire Living
101)? And wouldn't it have been interesting if
Janette had taken Alyce under her wing?
And also, one can have academic passion for
something. I know LC understands that. I think
what he (or Janette in my alternate scenario)
might have instilled in Alyce is to balance that
with that need to live in the present. Moreover,
he would also see the advantages of learning from
previous Community-Mortal World interactions
(which is what Alyce would be studying).
Finally, as for the diatribe thing, I think I
need to agree to disagree with Kezia. While he
would want her to control herself, LC is
definitely a creature of passion himself
especially when he's making a point. Bringing
Alyce across was one such instance. I think
though that a diatribe would be on accepting who
one is, what one's connections are and enjoying
them. (I did this in a story called
Considerations and tied a flashback into the Pied
Piper/Hamlin scenario).
Anyhow, as you all know, I can go on and on and
on about Nick and Alyce. Again, I wish she
could've stuck around for a while (certainly to
give Nat some much needed competition) and I
think a mucher healthier relationship as well.
After four-plus years of writing that ship, that
is how it's worked out and I think the show would
have benefitted from it (especially Season 3).
Thanks
David
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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 14:11:05 +0200
From: Cousin Lucilla <cousinlucilla@f.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: Dark Knight 1 & 2
Linda Hepden wrote:
>I never figured out whether it was LaCroix or Nick who brought Alyce Hunter
>over - there's not enough info given to tell us who it was. Not that it
>makes any sense for either of them to do it.
>
>
Nick thought Alyce was dead, so it certainly was LC who brought her
across by accident, because he was interrupted by Nick skewering him
like kebap (someone else already mentioned that). Remember Nick cradling
her in his arms and crying and later telling Nat that he thinks LC and
Alyce are the lucky ones? And at that point he was sure he had killed
LC. Of course he should have sensed her presence (as that of another
vampire close by) at the window later on, but, well, continuity - never
FK's strong point.
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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 11:58:10 +0100
From: Luicia <luicia1705@y.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: Dark Knight 1 & 2
But you still have the issue that it was a 'cooked' meal... none of the juicy
goodness that would be more palatable to those on a sang diet.
Looking at it, the offending meat looked over cooked if not burnt to a crisp
and the little sound effect gives the added impression that it was as hard as a
rock... nothing short of Martha Stewart could have saved it from the bin and
even then, I think the only way she could have stopped that from happening was by
making a table centrepiece for it.
Luicia
Linda Hepden <kezia.hepden@n.......> wrote:
Amanda Berendt wrote:
> Maybe he should have warmed it up at least. It would have at least
> been a little more palatable.
>
Especially as vampires would have originally drank blood direct from the
source, so I assume they would have a preference for 'food' at the normal
human temperature of 98.6F or 37.0C. I'd have to agree about heating it
Cousin Kezia
"Life is what happens when you're busy making other plans" John Lennon
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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 10:19:32 -0500
From: eowyn23@j.......
Subject: Today's Birthday: July 1
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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 08:22:36 -0700
From: Megan Hull <mistrydder@y.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: Dark Knight 1 & 2
I think the reason I didn't like Alyce was because, as far as I can tell, she
wasn't a charecter-- she was a plot device. Besides the incredibly wooden
acting and total lack of chemistry, she had very little personality or charecter of
her own, and really just ended up being whatever was needed to move the plot
along: quiet, nerdy night curator so she'd be at the museum; repressed
intellectual so that Nick would fall for her; overbearing, obsessive stalker so that
she'd end up at the meat packing plant to be threatened by LaCroix... I'm not
saying that a person *couldn't* be all of these, but to me, they seemed like peices
from different puzzles that were forced together in an attempt to make a
specific picture come out. There was no explination or transition that would make
the changes in persona plausable, nor sense of an underlying personality that
would tie them together, and the actress herself didn't seem to know what
charecter she was playing.
Other thing I want to comment on is the question of Stonetree. I think he
knew Nick was *something* unusual, but probably didn't know what, or even want to
know. Thinking back to DK1 (forgive me if I'm wrong, I don't have my DVDs
here), when he was telling Nick he'd have to have a dayshift partner, he's
definitly hesitent about telling Nick who, and when Nick snaps at him he physically
backs away. Despite the fact that he's about half again as big as Nick. And when
he backs away, Nick suddenly changes his demenor from angry to annoyed and
resigned. I suspect Stonetree understood Nick had some kind of secret, and also
understood his determination to keep it a secret, and he left it at that. We all
have things we decide not to think too hard about, for one reason or another.
-Megan
"Eternal nights too short,
How quickly melt away,
With all the love we shared once,
Forever in a Day."
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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 09:02:09 -0700
From: Amanda Berendt <debrabant_foundation@y.......>
Subject: Re: Episode Discussion: Dark Knight 1 & 2
I too believe that Stonetree knew 'something' was different about
Nick. Maybe it was his heritage. I took him to be at least part
native (sorry I really can't think of the 'correct' terminology right
now). So he probably believed that there are somethings that are
beyond the natural world and cannot be explained. He seemed to look
at Nick that way. Yes there were some 'odd' things about the
detective, but he was a good cop and a good man, and those are the
things that really mattered to Stonetree.
-Amanda
"What princes of the moon we'd be, Two blazing beacons in the dark
Desire drives me to take him now, No force on earth will ever tear him from my
heart."
http://www.darksideoftheglass.com
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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 18:19:00 +0100
From: Linda Hepden <kezia.hepden@n.......>
Subject: Alyce Hunter
Just rewatched Dark Knight yet again, and was struck - not for the first
time! - by something specific about Alyce Hunter. It was the clothes she
wears. The other women we see much of are all dressed for their roles and
for 1992. Jeanette dresses like the class act she is. Natalie has gone for
power dressing, which is the right dress code for a 1992 professional woman.
Jeanie is basically a street punk, and dresses the part.
Alyce by contrast is dressed *incredibly* frumpily, with long flowered
skirts, and oh dear.... just who hand knitted you that lacy patterned cream
cardie, your grannie? The reason that she comes across to me as someone
obsessed with and stuck in the past is based at least as much on what she
wears as it is on what she does.
A night working museum curator who goes round in a smart black business
suit, or even in the traditional archaeologist's 'uniform' of jeans, combat
boots and baggy shirt, ready to jump into the next trench and get filthy
dirty digging out treasures from a sea of mud - those would have said she's
a professional woman with her feet on the ground. But not the 'simpering
little miss' outfits she chooses to wear - and that does have to be seen as
the character's choice, surely?
Alyce dresses as if she feels left over from the Victorian era - one reason
the Alyce from the original pilot worked so much better for me was that her
dress sense was better (that the previously mentioned munching on junk food
scene), and made her less of a sad little obsessive.
Maybe that's why the female list members all read her that way, while at
least one male member hasn't - it tends to be the women who read a person by
what they wear, while a guy will simply see a pretty face!
Cousin Kezia
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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 13:47:04 EDT
From: Gaelin Wade <GaelinWade@a.......>
Subject: Re: Alyce Hunter
I'd have to say (guess?) that Alyce's dress was more indicative of her role
as an academic rather than as someone necessarily stuck in the past.
At least somewhat "frumpily dressed" was pretty much an accurate description
of myself and the vast majority of female graduate students I knew at the
time. (I started graduate school in 1993). It could even describe many of our
female professors. (There was one notable exception, and she stood out as the
woman we all wanted to be when we grew up. Not just in terms of her
"classiness"
but also her knowledge, accomplishments and respect she'd garnered in the
field.)
Come to think of it, if "frumpy" could be used to describe men, it could have
described the male academics as well.
Don't get me wrong, they and we could dress up or down depending on what the
occasion called for, but daily wear did pretty much consist of jeans and
sweatshirts. If we had to "dress up" for some reason, the uniform was long
flowered skirts and cardigans. And this was across the board of specialties,
not just
the history majors.
That said, the whole "'simpering little miss outfits" is also indicative of
an introvert, which also could describe many academics. (Yep, been there, did
that too.) Although I was a history major (of sorts), I never really lived in
the past, I was quite firmly attached to the present. But I was most
comfortable in what could be called my own head most of the time.
I imagine clothes or dressing to impress just wasn't something Alyce gave
much thought to. I'd guess that as a museum curator, especially one who worked
at
night, Alyce felt she needed to dress a step above jeans and sweat shirts,
hence the skirt and cardigan. Suits or skirts with jackets would have been
overkill and completely unnecessary unless she was meeting with donors or
something
similar.
Gaelin
kezia.hepden@n....... writes:
>
> specific about Alyce Hunter. It was the clothes she wears...Alyce by
> contrast is dressed *incredibly* frumpily, with long flowered skirts... The
> reason that she comes across to me as someone obsessed with and stuck in the past
> is based at least as much on what she wears as it is on what she does.
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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 13:22:57 -0700
From: "David J. Duncan" <dante0220@y.......>
Subject: Re: Alyce Hunter
Hi Everyone,
Kezia said:
> while a guy will simply see a
> pretty face!
<taking a deep breath>
This may shock all of you but academe especially
night academe is quite a different affair and not
really considered a business. We *don't* all
wear suits to work. (In fact, the majority
don't.) As a night librarian, I dressed in a
button down shirt and a pair of cheenos every
day. I won't be caught dead in a tie unless it
was a conference or interview. That wasn't any
reflection on me nor should it have been.
Why should Alyce dress in formals if all she's
going to do is see a few guards, study and
inspect exhibits? That makes no sense.
As for the depth of character, I'm ready to say
'let's all agree to disagree'. Obviously, we're
seeing something different here. Okay. But
there's a lot more than just 'a pretty face'
there. Remember in my previous message, I
suggested that Janette could've taken Alyce under
her wing and taught her some things. But to be
taught, there has to be potential. In Alyce's
case, she's intelligent, caring AND understanding
of Nick's condition. So she's a real introvert?
Big deal.
As I found my fanfics, yes, Alyce did need to
develop a lot personally to catch up with her
academic background. As a writer, I needed to be
patient with her. But she showed me more
complexity underneath the usual stuff. (She'd
have to be strong to hang out in my universe!
<g>) Those folks who read my fics know that I
don't deal well with shallow characters--whether
male or female. Alyce, to quote Survivor, hasn't
been voted off the island yet and in fact, is
doing quite well as Nick's consort in that
regard.
You know though, everything that's been said
about Alyce, I see in Natalie. While I like her
as a character, power suit or not, she's in that
class too. Everytime she shoves another one of
those drinks in his face. Everytime she demands
that he does things her way. All of these times,
she's letting her own addiction to science
overwhelm her reason (and the love).
Maybe I shouldn't take it personally but as a guy
AND an academic, I didn't appreciate the 'pretty
face' comment. I would never judge anyone that
way--be it in RL or in my fics. My assessment's
based on the whole person and their potential.
In this case, there's more to Alyce than I think
a lot of you give her credit for.
Remember, don't judge a book by its cover.
Thanks
David
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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 21:52:55 +0100
From: Luicia <luicia1705@y.......>
Subject: Re: Alyce Hunter
That is true David but you must remember too that in
order to create a character for TV as well as anything
else - there is a few things that we take for granted.
When creating characters for the screen, especially
for pilots it is so easy to let the characters fall
into the stereotypes for the type for people they
are...eg. doctor - smart dress, air of confidance and
self possession; femme fatale - otherworld-beautiful,
sensual, sexy dresser - you don't associate doctors as
punks or femme fatales as women in terry cloth
dressing gowns.
But once this illusion has been created it can be
dismantled... that is the best thing about character
developement, especially on tv LOL
--- "David J. Duncan" <dante0220@y.......> wrote:
> My assessment's
> based on the whole person and their potential.
> In this case, there's more to Alyce than I think
> a lot of you give her credit for.
>
> Remember, don't judge a book by its cover.
>
"Life is what happens when you're busy making other plans" John Lennon
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