FORKNI-L
Digest - 1 Mar 2006 to 2 Mar 2006 (#2006-63)
Thu, 2 Mar 2006
There are 11 messages totalling 374 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. FK Moment
2. St David's Day
3. John Kapelos Angel question (4)
4. Just when is Nat's birthday? (2)
5. A new regimen for Nick?
6. Special Effects Coordinator's collection up for purchase (2)
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 23:40:07 -0000
From: tracy gooding <tracy.gooding@n.......>
Subject: Re: FK Moment
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kristen Fife" <fenix23fyre@y......>
She is talking to a creature that has
> been "made" human but who normally feeds off the
> psychic life force in humans, and he makes a comment
> about the hunger he now has to live with and boy did
> it remind me of FK :)
Yup, me too. Not to mention the yellow contact lenses later in the same ep.
Tracy G
tracy.gooding@n.......
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 12:20:18 +1030
From: Dot Simpson <jennii35@i.......>
Subject: Re: St David's Day
Ah! no by the time he booked on, it would have worn off Dot
I don't see why not. It is a religious symbol.
Gee can you imagine Nick going into work on Ash Wednesday? That
could be a little uncomfortable. Maybe he'd have to book off.
-Amanda
"This thing... man... whatever it is...evil may have created it, left its
mark on it, but evil does not rule it. So I cannot kill it." - Gabriel =
Van
Helsing
http://www.darksideoftheglass.com
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 21:04:11 -0800
From: FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@y......>
Subject: John Kapelos Angel question
I was watching the DVD commentary of John Kapelos's
Angel ep Are You Now or Have You Ever Been and...was
it Tim Minear? I'm not sure...but he made a comment
that has me wondering. He said that some felt they
were ripping off FK by casting JK...does anyone have
any insight on that? I don't see it myself, the
characters weren't similar despite the shows having
some similarities. So the comment confuses me.
Mel
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 02:46:07 -0500
From: "S. Babbitt" <sbabbitt@b.......>
Subject: Re: Just when is Nat's birthday?
>I am thoroughly befuddled. When is Nat's birthday exactly? Can someone help?
Unfortunately, because Forever Knight had multiple screenwriters and
no "bible" to keep writers consistent with one another, the show
featured a number of really glaring contradictions, with pieces of
information in one show in direct conflict with something that might
have been said or done in another. Natalie's birthday is one of those
"facts" that has been presented in such a dual fashion. In "Last
Knight," she states that her birthday is April 14. But in "Only the
Lonely," it's very clear that her birthday is in the summer; a bit of
detective work reveals that it is June 24.
Many fans generally take the first presentation of any fact to be
canon unless the evidence of the second (or subsequent)
presentation(s) is overwhelming. For many of us, though, *nothing*
said or done in "Last Knight" is canonical, simply because of *how*
the episode is presented. Like the "fantasy" or "hallucinatory"
sequences in "Curiouser and Curiouser," most of "Last Knight" was
shot with odd camera angles, depth of field, and distorting filters;
the lighting featured strange colors, flashing patterns, and
unnatural shadowing; and the camera motion was erratic, often running
to just this side of nauseating. It would seem that Geraint, who
directed, was trying to echo the canon history of visually defining
that which is not real, and I for one choose to accept that message
as definitive.
So. If you, as I do, refuse to accept that Natalie's birthday is
April 14, and you choose instead to accept the first birthday the
show defined, which is in June, how do you know which date? Here's
the (relatively exhaustive) logic.
"Only the Lonely" opens with Nat's birthday. She has her party at
work, then goes home to Sidney and announces that she's out of cat
food. At the grocery store, she (literally) runs into Roger Jamison.
This is all on a Tuesday, as we later learn.
The sun comes up. Back at work, Nat gets a call from Roger, who
describes himself as "the guy you decked last night." He invites her
for a "late lunch." Even though it's a "late" lunch, the sun is still
relatively high in the sky (short shadows, not long ones.) Nat &
Roger eat at a park with a beach visible in the background, and
people are wearing swimsuits and playing volleyball on the beach. You
can see an occupied lifeguard stand. (Now, people may wear shorts in
April in Toronto, but I'll bet the rent
very few of them go swimming in Lake Ontario until at least late
May.) Natalie talks about enjoying the day, and Roger tells her,
"That's what summer's for." Nat and Roger come home to find a jealous
Nick in her apartment.
Now it's Thursday. Nick meets Nat at work and apologizes for messing
up her date with Roger. She tells him she "accepted your apology last
night." Nick leaves. Nat, in a snit, calls Roger, even though it's
"very late." They arrange a get-together; Nat says, "Tomorrow night
sounds perfect."
It's daylight again. Nat and Roger are driving to the greenhouse. It
gets dark. Nick shows up at the morgue, where a distressed Grace
tells him Roger matched the murderer's DNA. Nick goes to Nat's
apartment and finds her date book, which he opens. At the bottom of
the page is preprinted the word,
"Saturday"; next to that, in a box probably intended for the date,
someone has handwritten "28." (Among the handwritten tasks slated for
Saturday is "LAUNDRY!") There is a dividing line immediately above
the word "Saturday," and above that line, in bold print, are the
words: "2 p. Roger--picnic?"
During the ep, both Nick and Natalie flash back to her 28th birthday
(described as such by one of the morgue employees), when Nick is
brought into the morgue in a very messy body bag. Nat opens the bag,
then she turns away to answer the phone. Nick wakes up and climbs off
the table, causing Nat to start and drop the phone. As she does this,
she steps to the side, allowing a very brief view of the calendar on
the wall behind her. The word "June" is clearly visible just over her
left shoulder.
So from this, we can conclude, for purposes of canon: Natalie goes on
the picnic with Roger on Friday, June 27; Nick and Nat quarrel in the
morgue on Thursday, June 26; Nat and Roger have lunch on
Wednesday, June 25, and.....
TA DA! Natalie's birthday is Tuesday, June 24.
I have no idea if this answers your question; more likely, it creates
fifteen or twenty more. :-) But at least you get some idea of the
extent serious fans will go to in order to establish canon in our own
minds!
--
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Stephanie Babbitt (sbabbitt@b.......), Atlanta, GA
Vaquera (Because I Can), MadNatter, N&NPacker
Nobody Dies. Nobody Ever Died.
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 03:43:11 -0800
From: Amanda Berendt <debrabant_foundation@y......>
Subject: A new regimen for Nick?
I was reading Yahoo news and came across this article. It is about
the blood-subsitute Polyheme that was being tested for use on trauma
patients....
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060302/ap_on_he_me/blood_substitute
I could so see Nat using it as a treatment for Nick.
-Amanda
"This thing... man... whatever it is...evil may have created it, left its mark
on it, but evil does not rule it. So I cannot kill it." - Gabriel Van Helsing
http://www.darksideoftheglass.com
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 07:17:21 EST
From: Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: John Kapelos Angel question
In a message dated 3/1/2006 11:16:31 PM Central Standard Time,
sgt_buck_frobisher@y...... writes:
I don't see it myself, the
characters weren't similar despite the shows having
some similarities. So the comment confuses me.
That was just his opinion. I don't see it either. Vampire detectives are
actually quite common. Some people accuse PN Elrod of ripping off FK, even
though she was working on her first vampire detective novel before FK. In fact,
another writer (I *think* Lee Killough) was also writing a vampire detective
novel about the same time.
Or else JK was just trying to tease the fans <g> Which, knowing him, is
entirely possible.
--Libs
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 14:28:38 +0000
From: Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@c.......>
Subject: Re: John Kapelos Angel question
From: Libratsie@a.......
>
> another writer (I *think* Lee Killough) was also writing a vampire detective
> novel about the same time.
"Blood Walk" and "Blood Games" by Lee Killough predate FK. In fact, the blurb
on my copy of "Blood Walk" says something to the effect of, "before there was
Nick Knight, there was Garreth <whatever his last name is>"
They're extremely good books, incidentally, very much like FK in that Garreth
is a blond San Francisco cop who, despite having been turned into a vampire by a
mysterious woman he was trying to arrest (he bites her back in the struggle)
manages to stay on the force. The vampire mythos is different from FK (he can
function in daylight, although with a great deal of difficulty) but it's still
half police procedural. There's none of the heavy Gothic stuff of Ann Rice in
them.
And Libs might be pleased to note that Garreth survives mainly by drinking rat
blood. <g>
Nancy Kaminski
nancykam@c.......
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 17:10:47 +0100
From: Cousin Lucilla <cousinlucilla@f.......>
Subject: Re: John Kapelos Angel question
I don't know these books and when they came out, but I think we
shouldn't forget that Nick Knight is older than FK. The movie was done
in 1989 and it probably took them a couple of years to go from idea to
script to filming it. So, it might just have been the time for 'Vamp
Cops/Detectives' in general.
Nancy Kaminski wrote:
>"Blood Walk" and "Blood Games" by Lee Killough predate FK.
>
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 13:33:10 -0500
From: Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Special Effects Coordinator's collection up for purchase
Brock Jolliffe, who was special effects coordinator for FK in seasons two and
three, is making his large collection of FK props and related items available
for purchase. See the MPICA page http://www.mpica.org/brock.htm for more
information.
McLisa
listowner, Forkni-l
mclisa@m.......
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:26:29 -0800
From: Amanda Berendt <debrabant_foundation@y......>
Subject: Re: Special Effects Coordinator's collection up for purchase
(oops I originally just replied to McLisa)
The caddy is for sale!!!!!! WOW!!!! To bad I (1) can't afford it
and (2)I can't drive a big car. Some fan is going to be VERY happy.
Looks like some listmembers may be spending a while lotta cash in the
next couple of weeks. (myself included) I checked out the list and
it is phenomenal!!!
-Amanda
"This thing... man... whatever it is...evil may have created it, left its mark
on it, but evil does not rule it. So I cannot kill it." - Gabriel Van Helsing
http://www.darksideoftheglass.com
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 12:02:25 -0800
From: Kristen Fife <fenix23fyre@y......>
Subject: Re: Just when is Nat's birthday?
Of interest to note, the only time that June 24th
falls on a Tuesday in the 1990's were in 1992 and
1997.
--- "S. Babbitt" <sbabbitt@b.......> wrote:
> >I am thoroughly befuddled. When is Nat's birthday
> exactly? Can someone help?
> >
> TA DA! Natalie's birthday is Tuesday, June 24.
>
>
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> Stephanie Babbitt (sbabbitt@b.......), Atlanta,
> GA
> Vaquera (Because I Can), MadNatter, N&NPacker
> Nobody Dies. Nobody Ever Died.
>
"The price for this gift is the darkness of the night, and the blood of
humanity to sustain you." -THICKER THAN WATER, Kristen Fife in progress
See my blog at http://spaces.msn.com/members/landinn/
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