There are 8 messages totalling 220 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. bottled blood (7) 2. FORKNI-L Digest - 24 Feb 2006 to 25 Feb 2006 (#2006-58) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:41:51 -0800 From: Stacy <theknightcallsmyname@y.......> Subject: bottled blood Got another question: Is there any reference or does anyone have any idea as to when vampires started using bottled blood? If it's too late for my timeframe, I'll simply ignore canon <G>, but I'm still curious. Stacy DarkNN'er, Faithful http://www.descentintodarkness.net http://heartsblood.descentintodarkness.net Carpe Diem ~ Seize the Day Carpe Duh ~ Seize an Idiot Carnal Diem ~ Seize the Smut ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:08:25 -0500 From: Deborah Hymon <debh@e.......> Subject: Re: bottled blood Not sure when FK vampires started using bottled blood, but the first documented blood transfusion was in 1492. However, the blood groups weren't documented until 1901. Here's the link to the history of Blood Transfusion: http://www.bloodbook.com/trans-history.html It's been awhile since I watched some of the episodes of FK, but in the flashback of Nick with Francesca, didn't she have the musician's blood in a bottle when she gave it to Nick? What time period did that incident happen? I would assume bottled blood was around for centuries. Since there's not a real documentation on vampires, you can use any date you wish; the wonderful thing about writing fiction! Deborah DeborahAHymon.com on 2/25/06 7:41 PM, Stacy at theknightcallsmyname@y....... wrote: > Is there any reference or does anyone have any idea as to when vampires > started using bottled blood? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:25:08 +0800 From: eruve erundun <eruveerundun@y.......> Subject: Re: bottled blood Do the FK books count as canon? In "These Our Revels" - Aristotle offers LC bottled blood - it was a bit of a novelty and LC disdains the offer calling it "turned wine". The story is set in the time of Elizabeth I. Ell ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:52:21 -0500 From: Naia Zifu <naia_zifu@b.......> Subject: Re: FORKNI-L Digest - 24 Feb 2006 to 25 Feb 2006 (#2006-58) That could lead to a whole other question of just how much his vampire side is controllable. . . maybe more than he thinks. Could be that knowing you're a vampire and knowing what the limits are supposed to be is actually limiting in itself? Now, if anyone other than me understood any of that. . . no, wait, I'm not even sure if I did -_-;;; . . . Naia Zifu (naia_zifu@b.......) Contestant in Sera-myu Idol II http://idol.sera-myu.com/ Yeah, I suck. . . kicked off in round 2. . . and not even in a close vote! *is ashamed* You can stick around and cheer on the others if you like, though. > > I'm surprised when they did that and if they did go > further, wouldn't his vampire side automatically kick in and stop them > cold? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 06:19:13 +0100 From: Cousin Lucilla <cousinlucilla@f.......> Subject: Re: bottled blood Bottles in some form or another are rather old - why not google a history of the bottle, I'm sure you'll find something. Small flasks and amphoras have been widely used for a variant of things in Antiquity, that's for sure. The oldest glass wine bottle seems to date from around 300 AD. Check here: http://www.winepros.org/wine101/history.htm Deborah Hymon wrote: >It's been awhile since I watched some of the episodes of FK, but in the >flashback of Nick with Francesca, didn't she have the musician's blood in a >bottle when she gave it to Nick? What time period did that incident happen? >I would assume bottled blood was around for centuries. > Francesca offers Nick the blood in a goblet. It happened in 1755. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:45:40 -0600 From: Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@c.......> Subject: Re: bottled blood > Cousin Lucilla wrote: > Bottles in some form or another are rather old - why not google a > history of the bottle, I'm sure you'll find something. > Small flasks and amphoras have been widely used for a variant of things in > Antiquity, that's for sure. I'm sure that they could have bottled blood, but unless it was treated somehow, wouldn't it separate into serum and clots fairly quickly? I would think that even the unfussiest vampire would find that pretty unappetizing. Does adding wine to the blood (like Aristotle did in the third FK novel) prevent it from separating? Nancy Kaminski not a blood expert ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:20:53 +0100 From: Cousin Lucilla <cousinlucilla@f.......> Subject: Re: bottled blood Sorry, send this to Nancy alone first. Nancy Kaminski wrote: > I'm sure that they could have bottled blood, but unless it was treated > somehow, wouldn't it separate into serum and clots fairly quickly? I > would think that even the unfussiest vampire would find that pretty > unappetizing. > > Definitely. Blood goes bad fairly quickly without proper conservation. Alcohol might keep it from simply going off for a while (not sure - not a blood expert either), but the only way it'll keep for some time seems to be freezing it. And as far as appetizing goes: what could be better than fresh and warm from a living source. I mean, just think of the way Nick describes it to Nat - oh my, even I get hungry, lol. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:52:59 -0500 From: Cindy Clark <clarkcindy@m.......> Subject: Re: bottled blood O.K., lab tech checking in on this question. Heparin is the oldest en vivo/en vitro anticoagulant, and is usually made from pig intestines. However, there are herbal compounds that have been used for centuries for the same purpose such as willow bark (contains the same chemicals as aspirin), ginseng, ginkgo biloba, and grape seed extract. According to canon, since the FK vampires can tolerate wine, I would think the grape seed extract would be the ancient anticoagulant of choice and given ancient wine-making practices, would probably already be contained in the blood/wine mixture, which seems to be the bottled beverage of choice. ----- Original Message ----- Nancy Kaminski wrote: I'm sure that they could have bottled blood, but unless it was treated somehow, wouldn't it separate into serum and clots fairly quickly? I would think that even the unfussiest vampire would find that pretty unappetizing. ------------------------------ End of FORKNI-L Digest - 25 Feb 2006 to 26 Feb 2006 (#2006-59) **************************************************************
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