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FORKNI-L Digest - 13 Oct 2005 to 14 Oct 2005 (#2005-273)

Fri, 14 Oct 2005

There are 6 messages totalling 212 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. FK meet
  2. "Mary-Sue" and War question (3)
  3. Today's Birthday: October 14
  4. Mary Sue vs. War personas : my take

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Date:    Thu, 13 Oct 2005 15:51:44 -0400
From:    Forever Knight Tales <fknight420@c.......>
Subject: FK meet

November 12 and 13 I will a guest at the Crimebake at the Riverfront
Hotel in Lowell MA, I would love to meet some fellow FK friends/fans,
Angus will released around 11/14.  Thanks and stay safe.
Cheryl / fknight420@c.......



Don't trade a treasure
for an empty box.
www.ForeverKnight.5u.com
www.AngusGrady.50megs.com

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Date:    Thu, 13 Oct 2005 01:48:06 -0400
From:    Bonnie Rutledge <llamababe@c.......>
Subject: Re: "Mary-Sue" and War question

Teri wrote:
<snip> My question is, what do we call our WAR-type stories where we're
writing about ourselves in all our silly, factional glory, running around
intermingling with the FK characters in their world or blatantly dragging
them into ours? Are they actually a form of Mary-Sue, or do they fall into
a category all by themselves? <snip>

I seem to be a minority, but I always thought of the War stories I did as
Mary Sue. (Though Nunkies Anonymous always had the saying, "It's
not Mary Sue if you write it about someone else.") I guess my reasoning
was from the self-indulgence factor: I've written others and myself doing
fantastically clever, silly, sometimes illegal, gullible, idiotic things, and
getting away with it. I suppose I could call it roleplaying, but I can't help
but think several hundred pages about my personal journey lliving a
llama llie is kind of a world-usurping thing. Our fictional selves become
forefront in a War, and the FK characters have the supporting roles.

Whenever I've tried to explain a fan fiction War to someone from outside
the FK fandom, who can't relate to the character or the factions, their
understanding typically boils down to War as a huge round robin where
the authors portray themselves and friends in the series setting. More than
once, it's spurred a reaction of, "So War's like a giant Mary Sue field
trip?"

What's neat about War is that it works as a special case of Mary Sue.
It's not just one person, putting themselves or their special character in
the center of this great universe; it's dozens, up to hundreds of people. The
community spirit aspect of it drains the sting of the Mary Sue author, lost
in their private fantasy world. We're all there, we're all crazy-wonderful,
we're all *sharing* the fun with whomever wants to join in. (Provided they
submitted their permission slip to the WM, of course. <g>)

<waves>

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Bonnie Rutledge     llamababe@c.......

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Date:    Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:06:59 +0100
From:    Luicia <luicia1705@y.......>
Subject: Re: "Mary-Sue" and War question

I think we really should try and give this type of
roleplaying/Mary Sue field trip a name....LOL we have
too much fun with it to keep this sort of
entertainment confined to ourselves  :oD

Any suggestions???  Sue-Ellen-Bobs perhaps hahaha

Luicia

--- Bonnie Rutledge <llamababe@c.......> wrote:

>
> What's neat about War is that it works as a special
> case of Mary Sue.
> It's not just one person, putting themselves or
> their special character in
> the
> center of this great universe; it's dozens, up to
> hundreds of people. The
> community spirit aspect of it drains the sting of
> the Mary Sue author, lost
> in their private fantasy world. We're all there,
> we're all crazy-wonderful,
> we're
> all *sharing* the fun with whomever wants to join
> in. (Provided they
> submitted
> their permission slip to the WM, of course. <g>)
>
WWW.> <waves>
>
> ************************************
> Bonnie Rutledge     llamababe@c.......
>






"I'm only insane to make you seem normal"


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Date:    Fri, 14 Oct 2005 06:17:48 -0500
From:    eowyn23@j.......
Subject: Today's Birthday: October 14

Hi Y'all!

Today is the birthday of:  Our Wonderful Listowner, McLisa
mclisa@m.......

You may send birthday greetings to McLisa at the above email address.
Please NOT to the list!

Others who share this birthday:
Harry Anderson, Actor
Ralph Lauren, Fashion Designer
Sir Roger Moore, TV/Movie Actor
e. e. cummings, Poet
Dwight David "Ike" Eisenhower, General

Significant events on this date:
1926, The classic A.A. Milne book, "Winnie-the-Pooh," made its debut.
1947, U.S. Air Force Captain Charles E. "Chuck" Yeager became the first
person to fly faster than the speed of sound.
1960, The idea of a Peace Corps was first suggested by John F. Kennedy to
an audience of students at the University of Michigan.
1987,18-month-old Jessica McClure fell 22 feet down an abandoned well in
Midland, Texas.

I hope you have a very Happy Birthday, McLisa!

If you would like to be added to the birthday announcements, please send
your name, birthdate (no year needed) and email address to me,
eowyn23@j......., privately, and I'll be glad to add you.

Terri
eowyn23@j.......
GWDFC, FK X-Stitcher, Proud Survivor of FK Fic Wars 8-12, Texas Knight
Dreamers, Knighties List Owner, Keeper of the FK Birthday List

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Date:    Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:50:55 +0000
From:    Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@c.......>
Subject: Re: "Mary-Sue" and War question

Luicia wrote:
> I think we really should try and give this type of
> roleplaying/Mary Sue field trip a name....LOL we have
> too much fun with it to keep this sort of
> entertainment confined to ourselves  :oD

There is a name for it---it's "FK War." <g>

This really is its own beast. If other fandoms want to have their own wars,
well, ours are online and available for reading for their reference!

Nancy Kaminski
Occasional war participant

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Date:    Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:11:46 -0500
From:    Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Mary Sue vs. War personas : my take

It seems to me that there's a crucial distinction between a Mary Sue and an FK
wartime persona. Mary Sues are nearly always deadly serious about themselves
and their fictional perfect relationships with their favorite characters from
their show.  Our personas are mainly humorous and so are the situations we get
into.  As for what we do with and to the FK characters --

Using myself as an example, I turn into an exuberantly crazy drunk. Sometimes I
get hit on the head and develop delusions. I once thought I was a Ratpacker and
spent the whole war that way. Then there was the time I thought I was a cat,
except when I'd been drinking and thought I was a drunk cat who thought I was
human. I have stolen Janette's Ferrari and gone joyriding with Alma. I have ended
up chasing LaCroix with a snapping, undead boiled lobster, a pot of garlic
butter, and a pack of spirit wolves.

McLisa
mclisa@m.......

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