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FORKNI-L Digest - 6 Mar 2005 to 7 Mar 2005 (#2005-65)

Mon, 7 Mar 2005

There are 14 messages totalling 435 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. GWD Network site gone? (7)
  2. Nick Going Home (4)
  3. Ger Nominated for Best Actor for Cyrano
  4. A Question about a movie
  5. Episode Seventeen linked in

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Date:    Sun, 6 Mar 2005 14:04:31 -0800
From:    fkforever <fkforever@y......>
Subject: Re: GWD Network site gone?

--- CousinLucilla <cousinlucilla@f.......> wrote:
> Can someone who was/is connected to the GWD network tell me what
> happened to the website?

It appears the website has just been updated.

www.gwdfc.org



Desiree

www.knighties.50megs.com
www.suncoastbible.org

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Date:    Sun, 6 Mar 2005 23:15:04 +0100
From:    CousinLucilla <cousinlucilla@f.......>
Subject: Re: GWD Network site gone?

fkforever schrieb:

>It appears the website has just been updated.
>
>www.gwdfc.org
>
>
>

I was not referring to the official fan club site but the site that was
located at

http://members.rogers.com/gwdnetwork

until last week.

It was an unofficial site but really good. And I'd hate to see it go.

Doris

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Date:    Sun, 6 Mar 2005 16:16:18 -0800
From:    Laura Davies <brightfeather1.geo@y......>
Subject: Re: GWD Network site gone?

Doris,

Have you tried the wayback machine?  I don't know the
old address of the site, but if it was a paid one, you
can usually access them by going here:
http://www.archive.org/web/web.php and putting in the
address to see if it's findable...

Laura


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Date:    Sun, 6 Mar 2005 19:25:30 -0600
From:    Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@c.......>
Subject: Re: Nick Going Home

> wirickml@v....... wrote:

>   If Nick did make it home before he was sent on to the
> Crusades, whichever one it might have been,  would he have
> explained to his mother why he was going? Would he possibly
> mention the trouble he got in or would he have just said he was going?

Hmmm---I'm thinking that any scandal such as this would become
well-known in Nick's level of society. I like to think that Nick
wouldn't lie to his mother about the circumstances, if only to give
her the real story so she wouldn't be horrified to find out from other
nobles that her son was accused of murder by his patron.

> I'd like to think Nick and his family where unique in that
> they weren't the typical family back then.

Huh? What do you think the typical family was like then? And how would
Nick's family be different?

Nancy Kaminski
nancykam@c.......

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Date:    Sun, 6 Mar 2005 22:00:31 -0800
From:    Kristen Fife <fenix23fyre@y......>
Subject: Ger Nominated for Best Actor for Cyrano

http://www.helenhayes.org/awards/2005_nominees.html

Outstanding Lead Actor, Resident Play
Doug Brown, Our Lady of 121st Street, Woolly Mammoth
Theatre Company
Scott Fortier, The Elephant Man, Catalyst Theater
Company
George Grizzard, Cat on a Hot Tin Roof, The Kennedy
Center
Stephen Lang, Beyond Glory, Tribute Productions
Geraint Wyn Davies, Cyrano, The Shakespeare Theatre


Kristen Fife
http://www.fkvoyage.com/fkfanfic/fife_kristen/
"When a half-breed vampire becomes the object of Mafia revenge, the ensuing
power struggle pits immortal and mortal families against one another." -THICKER
THAN WATER
"The strength of the vampire is that people will not believe in him."

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Date:    Sun, 6 Mar 2005 22:01:32 -0800
From:    Kristen Fife <fenix23fyre@y......>
Subject: Re: GWD Network site gone?

They were updating it with an announcement (see my
previous post).

>
> It appears the website has just been updated.
>
> www.gwdfc.org
>
>
>
>
>
> Desiree
>
> www.knighties.50megs.com
> www.suncoastbible.org
>
>

Kristen Fife
http://www.fkvoyage.com/fkfanfic/fife_kristen/
"When a half-breed vampire becomes the object of Mafia revenge, the ensuing
power struggle pits immortal and mortal families against one another." -THICKER
THAN WATER
"The strength of the vampire is that people will not believe in him."

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Date:    Mon, 7 Mar 2005 01:26:45 -0600
From:    "wirickml@v......." <wirickml@v.......>
Subject: Re: Nick Going Home

nancykam@c....... wrote

<Huh? What do you think the typical family was like then? And how would Nick's
family be different?>

Well, I thought maybe the women of the time weren't informed about the day to
day running of things; that they concerned themselves mostly with the cooking,
cleaning and raising the children. There might have been exceptions to this.

The men were busy running whatever they did to provide for their families.
I thought that the children were raised in a strict up bringing.
I thought that maybe Nick's parents weren't as strict as some might have been
then.
Maybe Nick?s father was brought up strict and vowed that he would not be as
hard on his son as his father was with him.

Since most marriages were arranged, I don't know how much his mother and father
loved each other.
In this I hope his were unique and possibly did love each other. Maybe they
showed love to each other by giving gifts between them. They might not have had
spare money to buy those types of things. Maybe they gave each other hand-made
things made out of love.


I really don't much about life back then.
(I'm not quite that old, he, he. Almost, but not quite)

Mary Lynn

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Date:    Sun, 6 Mar 2005 23:48:18 -0800
From:    Victor Roscetti <dragonslair_08060@y......>
Subject: A Question about a movie

Does any one have a copy (VHS or DVD) of the movie
"Other Women's Children" starring Geraint Wyn Davies?
I am looking for it for a friend and I didn't know
where to ask other than the list. I am in the US so it
has to play here (Not PAL).

Please contact me OFF List.          -  Vic

dragonslair_08060@y......


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Date:    Mon, 7 Mar 2005 03:51:11 -0500
From:    Greer Watson <gwatson2@r.......>
Subject: Episode Seventeen linked in

Another week, another episode.  Like last week's, this too has been
given a 14+ rating.  The story deals with incest (not a spoiler to
tell you, since it's in the "TV Guide"-style blurb in the Episode
Guide).  I feel this is sufficiently "mature subject matter" to
warrant the higher rating.

For those who are just tuning in to Season Four, the url for the
website is:
    http://ca.geocities.com/gwatson2@rogers.com/index.html
To get to the episodes for Season Four, click through to the Episode
Guide:  the link to get to the episode is the number beside its title.
This will take you through a ratings page to the homepage for the
episode, from which you can download it as a zip file.  Your choice of
Word or WordPerfect.  Each episode also has a Notes page, which is
accessed off the episode's homepage.  But -- spoiler warning!! -- do
not read the notes until *after* you've read the episode.

Enjoy,
Greer
gwatson2@r.......

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Date:    Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:06:50 +0100
From:    CousinLucilla <cousinlucilla@f.......>
Subject: Re: GWD Network site gone?

Laura Davies schrieb:

>Doris,
>
>Have you tried the wayback machine?
>
>

I have, but it came up with nothing. Seems it was a site Rogers (of
Canada) offered its customers and they seemed to have moved their
servers completely. That's why I was hoping that someone originally
involved with the site would get back to me - this is also why I keep
this on-list.
And once more: I am NOT referring to the official fan club site (GWDFC)
but to GWD Network.
Thanks for your help though.

Doris

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Date:    Mon, 7 Mar 2005 15:14:04 +0000
From:    Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@c.......>
Subject: Re: Nick Going Home

Mary Lynn wrote:

> Well, I thought maybe the women of the time weren't informed about the day to
> day running of things; that they concerned themselves mostly with the cooking,
> cleaning and raising the children. There might have been exceptions to this.

Nick's mother would have been very much involved in the running of things to do
with their estate. If her husband was away serving his liege, she would be in
charge of everything, including defense of the lands against any attackers. She
would not have personally cooked or cleaned----this is the nobility, they have
servants for those tasks---and would very likely have had nursemaids for the
children.

> The men were busy running whatever they did to provide for their families.

Our esteemed UF ListCobra offered what I think is a good analogy: medieval life
was like being in the military. You know exactly your place and your
responsibilities. There is a very defined "chain of command" and you obeyed the orders of
your betters, just as you expected those beneath you to obey your own orders.
Depending on your station in life, there were things you did because that's what
a person in that position did. There was no choice. In Nick's father's case,
that would include managing his lands so that it provided him income, which would
enable him to serve his liege as required (for instance, by providing fully
equipped knights and soldiers to fight when needed).

> I thought that the children were raised in a strict up bringing.
> I thought that maybe Nick's parents weren't as strict as some might have been
> then.

Children were raised and trained to perform the duties they were born into.
Nick and any siblings would probably have been tutored by a priest or scholar. As
for strictness in any modern sense, I don't think that applies. A young noble
like Nick would be taught to hunt, ride, fight, and serve his liege in the
manner he was destined to. If Nick had an older brother, the estate would go to him,
and he would be learning how to manage it for the benefit of his own family and
for the benefit of the liege. Nick, since we know he went away to serve Lord
Delabarre, most likely was a younger son who became a knight. His hope of wealth
would have been to serve well and be rewarded with a gift of land from his
liege.

> Since most marriages were arranged, I don't know how much his mother and father
> loved each other.
> In this I hope his were unique and possibly did love each other. Maybe they
> showed love to each other by giving gifts between them. They might not have had
> spare money to buy those types of things. Maybe they gave each other hand-made
> things made out of love.

Remember, Nick was a noble and was not poor. His family would have enjoyed the
fruits of the lands they owned. As for making things, while Nick's mother no
doubt did needlework (one of the skills noblewomen learned) I doubt his father
would have made things. That sort of work was not suitable for a nobleman, but
only for lower classes. He would have commissioned something to give his wife,
not made it himself.

Yes, most marriages for people of that station were arranged, but that doesn't
mean they didn't come to love each other. Romantic love wasn't important in
marriage, and probably most people didn't expect it, but human nature being what
it is (and writings of the time mentioning it) it happened more often than not.

> I really don't much about life back then.

There are any number of books out there about life in medieval times---you
might find it very interesting to pay a visit to the library and check some out.
Time-Life has a series of book about life in earlier times, and one of them is
"Everyday Life in the Age of Chivalry". It would give you a good idea of what
things were like then.

Nancy Kaminski
nancykam@c.......

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Date:    Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:27:50 -0500
From:    Mary Combs <combsm@e.......>
Subject: Re: Nick Going Home

Mary Lynn wrote of Nick's parents:
> They might not have had spare money to buy [gifts]

One thing we do know for certain about Nick's family is that they were very
high nobles and extremely wealthy (despite the fact that the show's budget
didn't include casting servants for Nick's post-vampire homecoming.<gr>).
Among other things, witness Nick's title (de Brabant) and the way he says
it when he's on his high horse! <gr> (Games Vampires Play, for one.)

One theory that deals with the lack of any mention of an older brother is
that Nick and Fleur are the product of his father's second marriage. At
that time, on her husband's death, Nick's mother would have inherited at
least 1/3 of her husband's property, in addition to retaining the
considerable fortune she undoubted brought to the marriage. Nick would then
be his mother's heir.

That said, there's absolutely no reason why you couldn't imagine Nick's
parents making something special for each other as tokens of love. That
sort of thing has probably been going on as long as human beings have been
human!

We know from first-hand accounts that deep love can (and does to this day)
develop in.arranged marriages, when there is goodwill, tenderness and
respect and the couple is committed to building a life together.

Mary
Mary Combs N&Npack

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Date:    Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:37:53 -0800
From:    Sherri Horun <sherrihorun@y......>
Subject: Re: GWD Network site gone?

Doris try this address http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.gwdfc.org  hope
it's what your looking for.   Sherrilynn

CousinLucilla <cousinlucilla@f.......> wrote:
Laura Davies schrieb:

>Doris,
>
>Have you tried the wayback machine?
>
>

I have, but it came up with nothing. Seems it was a site Rogers (of
Canada) offered its customers and they seemed to have moved their
servers completely. That's why I was hoping that someone originally
involved with the site would get back to me - this is also why I keep
this on-list.
And once more: I am NOT referring to the official fan club site (GWDFC)
but to GWD Network.
Thanks for your help though.

Doris


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Date:    Mon, 7 Mar 2005 22:20:47 +0100
From:    CousinLucilla <cousinlucilla@f.......>
Subject: Re: GWD Network site gone?

Sherri Horun schrieb:

>Doris try this address http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.gwdfc.org  hope
it's what your looking for.   Sherrilynn
>
>
>
No, it's not, since this is again the official fanclub page (which works
fine - thanks).

If I'm not mistaken,  Marg Yamanaka was at some point involved with GWD
Network.
Marg, if you're out there, please mail me off-list.

Doris

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