FORKNI-L

FORKNI-L Digest - 14 Feb 2005 to 15 Feb 2005 (#2005-45)

Tue, 15 Feb 2005

There are 12 messages totalling 306 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Translation please help
  2. Show about Rome
  3. Bad day
  4. Today's Birthday:  February 15
  5. looking for story
  6. Missing digest and fic (2)
  7. FK and one, seemingly immortal myth (4)
  8. FK moment

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Date:    Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:40:27 -0700
From:    Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
Subject: Re: Translation please help

Is it phonetic? If so, "twa" could be "toi" (you, your) or "trois" (three). And
"bon ton roule" sounds like "bon temps roule" to me too--"good times roll". "Le
Bon Temps Roule" is the name of a Louisiana yacht
(http://www.lebontempsroule.org/) and a New Orleans restaurant
(http://le-bon-temps-roule.neworleansfanatic.com/)

So, it could be "Maria, Maria...and your good times roll!"

Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred

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Date:    Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:20:49 -0800
From:    Amanda Berendt <debrabant_foundation@y......>
Subject: Show about Rome

Tonight on Discovery Science channel they are having a marathon of
'Metropolis' - 4 shows about various ancient cities.  They use
archeology and computer graphics to show what the cities would have
looked like.  Right now "Athens" is on.

Rome is on at 9.00pm EST
Alexandria is on at 10.00pm EST
Carthage is on at 11.00pm EST

-Amanda

=====
"This thing... man... whatever it is...evil may have created it, left its mark
on it, but evil does not rule it.  So I cannot kill it."  - Gabriel Van Helsing
http://www.darksideoftheglass.com

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Date:    Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:32:38 -0700
From:    Rose Thatcher <dreamerextrodanar@h.......>
Subject: Bad day

I'm sure everyone has had them.  I have to wonder though, what would it take
for some of the characters to say "This day couldn't get worse if someone
SHOT (staked) ME!" Not the sad kind of bad day, the frustrating one.
'Rose

"The true nature of the Vampire is undefined, undiscovered, inconceivably
complex, and therefore, Lots of fun!"

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Date:    Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:04:04 -0600
From:    eowyn23@j.......
Subject: Today's Birthday:  February 15

Hi Y'all!

Today is the birthday of:   Nancy Kaminski       nancykam@c.......

You may send birthday greetings to Nancy at the above email address.
Please NOT to the list!

Others who share this birthday:
Matt Groening, ComicStrip Cartoonist
Harvey Korman, Comedian
Susan B. Anthony, Educator
Galileo Galilei, Astronomer
Charles Lewis Tiffany, Jewelry Designer

Significant events on this date:
1502, Amerigo Vespucci sets sail for South America.
1758, Mustard was advertised for the first time in America.  Benjamin
Franklin was responsible for bringing mustard to the U.S.
1799, printed ballots were authorized for use in elections in the State
of Pennsylvania.
1903, the first Teddy Bear was introduced in America.

I hope you have a very Happy Birthday, Nancy!

If you would like to be added to the birthday announcements, please send
your name, birthdate (no year needed) and email address to me,
eowyn23@j......., privately, and I'll be glad to add you.

Terri
eowyn23@j....... or eowyn@w.......
GWDFC, FK X-Stitcher, Proud Survivor of FK Fic Wars 8-11, Texas Knight
Dreamers, Knighties List Owner, Keeper of the FK Birthday List

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Date:    Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:05:45 EST
From:    Judith Lieberman <JudithL21@a.......>
Subject: looking for story

It's Perchance by Sue Clark.  Really good.

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Date:    Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:09:41 -0500
From:    Sandra <nitelvr@v.......>
Subject: Missing digest and fic

I am missing issue 38 of the forkni-l digest and the following fkfic posts:

Hush a-bye   23/25   AD
Rewrite: A Shroud of Crimson (2/30)

Could someone send these to me? Thanks.

--Sandra, forever Knightie
--nitelvr@v.......

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Date:    Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:48:05 -0500
From:    Marilyn Teplitz <shaman@v.......>
Subject: Re: Missing digest and fic

> I am missing issue 38 of the forkni-l digest and the following fkfic posts:
> Hush a-bye   23/25   AD
> Rewrite: A Shroud of Crimson (2/30)

I sent the story parts - I don't get digest so I couldn't send those.

Marilyn

VaqShaman and terminal Vaquera
"Who's that blonde guy talking to Vachon?"
I'll have a blue moon with a twist.


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Date:    Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:07:04 +0100
From:    CousinLucilla <cousinlucilla@f.......>
Subject: FK and one, seemingly immortal myth

Okay, I was browsing by Amazon just now and thought I'd check how the
DVDs were doing saleswise and what people wrote about them.
And one person (I don't know if she is one this list or not) wrote AGAIN
that she was annoyed that Sony didn't put the uncut European version on
the DVDs.
To set the record straight:
There is NO uncut European version. It simply does NOT exist. The
version shown here in Germany (and remember that FK's first two seasons
were German co-productions, so we did get the original  "uncut"
episodes) is exactly like the Canadian version. There is no extra nudity
or steamy neck-biting - sorry!
There were plans to do this and maybe some of the scenes were shot, but
they ended up on the cutting room floor for good. None of it made it to
the finished product.
Please, we might be able to blame TPTB for a lot of things but not for
not giving us something that only exists in the realm of imagination.

Doris

(who is annoyed that the DVDs got stars deducted for that at Amazon)

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Date:    Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:28:18 -0500
From:    Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Re: FK and one, seemingly immortal myth

Here's what happened, according to various sources at the time, including what
I remember Nigel Bennett's saying at a con.

The German versions had indeed been intended to have nudity and more explicit
violence. Mostly this would have been in the teasers (the opening scene that
runs before the credits). It turned out that the violence and nudity all seemed
to involve attacks on women. The cast objected to this as exploitative and sexist.
Then they found that shooting extra scenes for the German version took more
time than they could justify economically, so the idea was abandoned.

I think the confusion Doris told us about -- which is new to me, thanks, Doris!
-- is based on the fact that the first season CBS Crimetime after Primetime
versions shown in the U.S. were pretty badly hacked up to allow extra commercial
time. This led to things like our not knowing that Nick had been unable to
hypnotize Natalie in the flashbacks of Only the Lonely.  We found out when Canadian
Forkni-lers began mentioning scenes that we hadn't scene here.  Fortunately the
second two seasons, which were syndicated, were the same length  wherever they
ran. Then when the SCI-Fi Channel started rerunning FK, they made their own
cuts, which led to yet another version.

Now, Nigel's story: Remember that flashback in Dark Knight where we see Nick
take his first victim?  Ok, they shot that for the US/Canadian versions, with the
girl wrapped up in a cloak.  Then the director said, "Cut. Ok, now we'll do the
German version." Nigel claimed he thought to himself, "we're going to do it
again in German?" But what happened was that he was told to pick up the girl
and carry her in again. There's no way to show you the expression he used when
reporting his reaction, but it was hilarious. He reached up for the cloak, and
discovered that she was topless under it.  The cloak was fixed so it didn't cover
her.  He carried her in, placed her on the table. No dialogue because the German
actors would dub it. Ger lunged forward to do the bite, and froze. (Nigel did a
wonderful imitation of a shocked and stunned Ger.) Ger whispered frantically,
"where do I bite? where do I bite?"

Nigel added, "poor Deborah was deeply embarrassed." He said the girl wasn't,
since her regular job was modelling without clothes for art classes.


McLisa
mclisa@m.......
>There is no extra nudity or steamy neck-biting - sorry!
>There were plans to do this and maybe some of the scenes were shot, but
>they ended up on the cutting room floor for good. None of it made it to
>the finished product.

>>Doris

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Date:    Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:51:50 +0100
From:    CousinLucilla <cousinlucilla@f.......>
Subject: Re: FK and one, seemingly immortal myth

Lisa McDavid schrieb:

> The German versions had indeed been intended to have nudity and more
> explicit violence. Mostly this would have been in the teasers (the
> opening scene that runs before the credits). It turned out that the
> violence and nudity all seemed to involve attacks on women. The cast
> objected to this as exploitative and sexist. Then they found that
> shooting extra scenes for the German version took more time than they
> could justify economically, so the idea was abandoned.
>
>
Yes, this is what I had heard/ read before too. And,  man, am I glad
they didn't go through with this. While we are a little more open here
regarding nudity on TV, this just sounds tacky. I like FK because it did
not go down the easy road of cheap sex and violence, as so many vampire
shows/movies do.
And if you insist on checking the scene McLisa mentioned (Dark Knight):
I have a clip of the "German" version (because they do speak French -
lol) on my website:
http://www.come-undone.net/excerpts.htm

Doris

(Sorry, McLisa, that I sent this to you alone first)

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Date:    Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:24:30 -0800
From:    Liz the Lucky <lizthelucky@c.......>
Subject: Re: FK and one, seemingly immortal myth

McLisa sed:
> Now, Nigel's story: Remember that flashback in Dark Knight
>where we see Nick take his first victim?

It's still fun to watch. What made it to air was a combo of both the
European and American versions. Watch the victim and her neckline keeps
appearing and disappearing, appearing and disappearing.....

Hugs and Kisses,
Liz the Lucky       lizthelucky@c.......
http://www.mindspring.com/~luckyliz
(Joining Lucia in the apologies to McLisa line.)

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Date:    Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:27:50 -0600
From:    DP001 <DP001@c.......>
Subject: FK moment

I was watching   WHOSE LINE IS IT ANYWAY
(it's a improv show)

The line they were doing    "Things you never thought you'd hear"

So what the joke was

"It started out like any other autopsey . . . "


I suddenly thought of Nat saying that

"It started out like any other autopsey . . . until he woke up.
He said his name was Nick . . . "

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