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FORKNI-L Digest - 1 Feb 2005 to 2 Feb 2005 (#2005-32)
Wed, 2 Feb 2005
There are 20 messages totalling 549 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Battle of Hastings (6)
2. FK moments
3. Moonlighting?
4. FK question
5. Had To Share & Bringing in New Fans!!!
6. FK Vampire Sleep
7. FK Vamps and Modernity (4)
8. FINALLY!
9. Modern Vamps (4)
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Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 15:21:17 -0800
From: Liz the Lucky <lizthelucky@c.......>
Subject: Re: Battle of Hastings
Libs sed:
> But LaCroix is much older and more powerful than any history
> professor. Come to think of it, that might make a good fanfic
> challenge, huh?
This is something I've often thought about. There's so much of history that
our vamps have lived through, and yet most of the fanfic takes place in the
1990s. Understandable, but.....
Before they died, my great-grandfather and -mother made some audio tapes of
their lives. One of the stories I most remember was the first time ggp saw
an automobile. He was in a horse and buggy at the time, and the horse was
*not* very enamoured about the car. <G> This is the type of stuff I mean.
What did Nick, Janette & Co. think of cars when they first came out? And how
about airplanes? Were they flying the first time they saw one? And what
about the first time Nick saw Janette's ankles in public? Was it okay with
him, or did he try and get her to change to something more appropriate? And
did Janette ever wear a wig that was taller than her?
I've often thought about making a challenge out of this, but I tend to go my
own way in fanfic and it really should center around the canon characters.
So what do people think?
Hugs and Kisses,
Liz the Lucky lizthelucky@c.......
http://www.luckyliz.crosswinds.net/ForeverKnight/
Merc House Mommy
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Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:25:06 EST
From: Dory Blankenship <DORY12485@a.......>
Subject: FK moments
On the way back from a trip this weekend I saw five Knight Transportation
trucks. Also today I got a Canadian quarter back as part of my change, a big
deal since it was recieved at a college campus in Arizona. (The year was 1976,
would have been cooler if it was 1966 or 1992-1996.)
AgapePhilos,
Dory
Faith. Pure, simple faith. - Jeanne d'Arc, FIHS
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Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:09:18 EST
From: Dory Blankenship <DORY12485@a.......>
Subject: Re: Battle of Hastings
In a message dated 2/1/05, Liz wrote:
<< What did Nick, Janette & Co. think of cars when they first came out? And
how about airplanes? <snip> And what about the first time Nick saw Janette's
ankles in public? <snip> And did Janette ever wear a wig that was taller than
her?>>
Lots of great questions, Liz. Whenever I see any fanfic, or any fiction for
that matter, that answers any of these questions, it is really fun to read on
it. imHo, Nick, Janette, LaCroix, and the others would have been wary of new
technology, embracing it when they saw that it could aid them. I don't really
see Nick, Janette, or LC pulling out a palm pilot anytime soon, but I could be
wrong. Fashion-wise, I'm not too sure, though perhaps vampires dress in
whatever the current fashion if they wish to blend in with mortals, but would
always be comfortable in the style of clothing from their time. Even Divia had
to get a hold of normal looking clothing. ( Now *that's* a challenge, how Divia
reacted to the suddenly *very* changed world.)
AgapePhilos,
Dory
Faith. Pure, simple faith. - Jeanne d'Arc, FIHS
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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:17:49 +1030
From: Dot Simpson <jennii35@i.......>
Subject: Moonlighting?
Found this while browsing another site..wondered....wouldn't you?
<Thanks to Nick Knight and his Jack-like hacker abilities for bringing this
to my attention!>
It was on a Profiler site......Dot
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Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:56:43 -0500
From: Cheryl P <fknight420@c.......>
Subject: FK question
Hello friends, I am working on a storyline that involves an evil spirit
of the air, called Arachula. Sadly, there's not much out there or I am
in the wrong place. Can someone help me with this? Thanks and stay
safe.
Cheryl / fknight420@c.......
Sense what you have,
Don't trade a treasure
for an empty box.
ForeverKnight.5u.com.
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Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:13:53 -0600
From: Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@c.......>
Subject: Re: Battle of Hastings
> Dory Blankenship wrote:
> it. imHo, Nick, Janette, LaCroix, and the others would have
> been wary of new technology, embracing it when they saw that it could aid
> them. I don't really see Nick, Janette, or LC pulling out a palm pilot anytime
> soon, but I could be wrong.
I see this differently. Those who don't progress with the society
around them become conspicuous and stagnant. Plus, keeping a lively
interest in your surroundings would make eternal life more
engaging---how unendingly boring it would be if nothing ever changed!
So yes, I see Nick checking his email on a Blackberry, and Lacroix
keeping notes on his Palm Xire. (I've become addicted to my Palm, why
wouldn't a modern vampire? <g>)
> Fashion-wise, I'm not too sure, though perhaps
> vampires dress in whatever the current fashion if they wish to blend in with
> mortals, but would always be comfortable in the style of clothing from their
> time.
But fashions change gradually, so of course you would wear the
clothing available and normal for the time and place you were living.
Having lived through the fashions of the Sixties, Seventies, and
Eighties, I don't remember when my purple bell bottom hiphuggers
became passe and stonewashed denim was the thing, or when I hung up my
army field jacket and fringed suede purse for the disco look. It just
happened, and I went with the flow. I'm sure it's the same with
immortals. And believe me, I have no desire to revisit those
bellbottoms <shudder>.
Anyway, I can't see Nick being nostalgic for itchy woolen tunics and
shoes that didn't even have lefts and rights. I mean, this is a guy
with a fondness for silk shirts. <g>
Nancy Kaminski
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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 00:54:06 -0500
From: Deborah Hymon <debh@e.......>
Subject: Had To Share & Bringing in New Fans!!!
I'm blown away!
February 1st was my one year anniversary with my hits counterı on my
Forever Knight fan fiction site. I have 16,334 hits in a year!!! Thatıs
over 1,300 hits a month!!! Since doing the radio talk show about fan
fiction, my site has become extremely active. I'm also excited at how many
(almost 400) people I've introduced to the FK world that never saw the TV
show. The power of the Internet is incredible! I really do preach the "FK
Gospel", trying to spread the word about this incredible show. I get very
excited when I have a non-fan email me that they're buying the DVDs because
they've read FK fan fiction (Not just mine; I send new converts to many
different FK fan fiction sites).
I'm very excited about new people discovering the wonderful world of Forever
Knight. I challenge everyone who is a FK fan to do everything in their
power to bring in new fans. I'm sure if you really think about it, you'll
figure out how to do this!!! Bringing in new blood is how we can keep the
fandom alive. Sadly, many of the FK fan fiction writers are no longer
writing. Hopefully, some of the new blood will contribute to the many
wonderful stories that are posted across the Internet.
OT: I'm also a Beauty and the Beast (The TV show) fan. Recently I
discovered a fan fiction writer in that fandom who is new. She didn't
become a fan until 1999, that's ten years after the show was cancelled. She
writes passionate and loving stories for Catherine and Vincent. My
point--bringing new people into the FK fandom will keep FK alive for many
years to come.
WOW!!! Iım so excited! Knowing people are reading my work is payment enough.
Thanks to all here who have read my work and emailed me.
(((HUGS)))
Now, go recruit more FK fans!!!!!!!!!!!!
Deborah
DeborahAHymon.com
http://homepage.mac.com/hymonb/MidnightPassions/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_midnight_passions/
http://homepage.mac.com/hymonb/ForeverKnight/
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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 01:45:50 -0600
From: Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject: Re: FK Vampire Sleep
Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:28:59 EST From: Billie Lee Williams
>It seems to me that Forever Knight vampires can go without sleep? I know
>in the Anne Rice universe they can if they have to, same in the Buffy
>Universe, but in both of those it starts to wear on them after a while....
>Is it the same/similar in Forever Knight? It *seems* like it; ....
I don't really know the answer to that, but I expect that in the FK
universe, the situation in regard to sleep will be whatever it needs to be
to make it work with the plot and themes of the particular episode. It
works for me, 'cause I consider FK to be poetry for television, so I
consider the inconsistencies to just be poetic license. ;-)
Bring 'em back alive!
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
Cousin of the Knight ~ N&NPacker
CotK Site -- http://lavender.fortunecity.com/evildead/879/
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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 06:40:27 -0800
From: Adina Montgomery <adinaruth@e.......>
Subject: FK Vamps and Modernity
Nancy Kaminski wrote:
I see this differently. Those who don't progress with the society around
them become conspicuous and stagnant. Plus, keeping a lively interest in
your surroundings would make eternal life more engaging---how unendingly
boring it would be if nothing ever changed!
--- I totally agree. As to fashion, I think Nick and Janette especially
enjoy looking elegant in whatever the current 'fashion of the day' is, as
long as it represents the 'best' of what's available. Janette may tend to
favor what we would consider 'Gothic' chic, but she certainly wouldn't look
out of place. Nick, I suspect, would always favor Armani, if it didn't draw
attention to him. LaCroix seems to be your 'basic black' guy, always in
good taste. ;-) ---
Nancy Kaminski wrote:
So yes, I see Nick checking his email on a Blackberry, and Lacroix
keeping notes on his Palm Xire. (I've become addicted to my Palm, why
wouldn't a modern vampire? <g>)
---- Again, I am in agreement. Why wouldn't vamps enjoy today's electronic
'toys' as much as mortals do. Remember also the scenes with Aristotle in
FITP. Aristotle has embraced the computer world, I'd say. I'd even to so
far as to consider him a vampire geek! LOL ----
Adina
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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:04:46 -0500
From: Joe LaCour <joelacour@c.......>
Subject: Re: FK Vamps and Modernity
On the other hand, I would imagine that a few vampires out there would
still yearn for the "good old days" where they could stalk the village
and ravish the citizenry with relative impunity.
Now there is a good piece of fiction waiting to be written (hint hint
!). Say Nick, in the course of investigating some unexplained
disappearences, has to to visit a reclusive vampire who's world stopped
in the late 18th century. No electricity, no refrigerator (oops! where
do we store the provisions?), no modern conveniences of any kind. This
vampire has no use for anything modern, as his world was destroyed in
the (American/French) Revolution.
Somebody(ies) could have fun with this.
Joe
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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:16:28 -0600
From: Christy Stillman <cstillma@u.......>
Subject: FINALLY!
Finally ordered my set of Season 2 DVDs, and they arrived Monday! It's a
nasty, icky day outside, so I brought the portable DVD player with me to
work so I can watch during my lunch hour. Ahhh...bliss! Maybe I can get
some other folks interested, too. Heh heh!
Looking outside my window at how gray it is today, it makes me wonder....
Could our vamps walk around out there right now? It looks more like
twilight than anything, and all the parking lot lights have sensed that it's
dark enough for them to come on.
Christy
cstillma@u.......
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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:22:55 -0500
From: Tim Phillips <tim.phillips@a.......>
Subject: Re: FK Vamps and Modernity
> Now there is a good piece of fiction waiting to be written (hint hint
> !). Say Nick.... has to to visit a reclusive vampire who's world stopped
> in the late 18th century. No electricity, no refrigerator .... no modern
> conveniences of any kind. This
So... this would be a story of Nathanial the Amish vampire?
:-)
Tim
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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:23:37 EST
From: Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Battle of Hastings
In a message dated 2/1/05 11:36:43 PM Central Standard Time,
nancykam@c....... writes:
> So yes, I see Nick checking his email on a Blackberry, and Lacroix
> keeping notes on his Palm Xire. (I've become addicted to my Palm, why
> wouldn't a modern vampire? <g>)
>
Wasn't LaCroix 'Rosebud' on e-mail? He also seems to have learned to work
radio station soundboards, etc., at some point (I've always wondered the story
behind that... Did he 'whammy' someone at CERK to get his show? Did he get the
show just to lecture Nick or is he a talk radio latenight junkie with a fantasy
to have his own show?)
Chances happen gradually, as Nancy said. Living languages, such as English,
change through the years but the changes are so gradual that it wouldn't be
hard to adapt. The only way a vampire wouldn't be swept up into it is if he
lived
away from society's contacts, which we don't see FK vamps doing as a rule.
--Libs
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Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 15:55:29 -0500
From: Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Re: Battle of Hastings
>*dubiously* I had a history professor who enjoyed taking History Channel
'documentaries' and pointing out >each and every inaccuracy (many of them major).
I don't have much trust in the HC anymore.
> -Megan
Whereupon the History Channel's historians would no doubt argue and there'd be
the old-fashioned academic catfight, which can be hilarious if you aren't
involved. A friend who used to work for the Cambridge University Press (founded
the same year as the Oxford University Press) had a story about seeing scholars
have to be physically separated to prevent a fist fight over which one had
primacy. <g>
I wonder if LC ever took on a persona as a professor of any kind? I can't quite
see him in a physical fight over an academic point, I can imagine him using
that sarcasm of his to mow down opposition.
McLisa
mclisa@m.......
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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:52:16 -0600
From: DP001 <DP001@c.......>
Subject: Modern Vamps
> I see this differently. Those who don't progress with the society around
> them become conspicuous and stagnant
> how unendingly boring it would be if nothing ever changed!
They would have to change with the times just as part of their cover
Someone here in the 21st century, but still wearing
1940's cloths would tend to stick out
Unless they were going to a costume ball or acting in a play or
something but that would only work for a few days
I'm not sure if LC would use anything like a palm pilot
Like most "Older" people (Joke intended)
He'd be a little reluctent to use any technology
because he dosen't understand it
You'd have to find a 10 yr old to show him how it works
I'd also love to hear one of the Vamps compare modern days to times
past, the "Back in my day . . . " or "I remember when . . " speaches
Janette comepareing todays street fashions with 19th centuary cloths
where it was considerd wrong to see a womans ancle
Now you get whole legs, sholders, belly buttons . . . .
Or LC, using a computer spreadsheet or a palm pilot to keep track of
invintories "When I was mortal, we kept track of everything on an abbacus"
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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:05:50 -0800
From: Amanda Berendt <debrabant_foundation@y.......>
Subject: Re: Modern Vamps
They did discuss this point a bit in FK...
THere is Last Act in which Erica seems to stagnate (ie her apartment) and feels
out of touch with the modern world. She winds up commiting suicide because she
can't cope.
Also LC at one point says "Immortals cannot cling like lichen to a stone - we
either change and grow or we wither and die inside."
I take it to mean that in FK, the vampires who survive to live for centuries
are the ones who can adapt to keep pace with the changing world around them.
-Amanda
"This thing... man... whatever it is...evil may have created it, left its mark
on it, but evil does not rule it. So I cannot kill it." - Gabriel Van Helsing
http://www.darksideoftheglass.com
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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:59:17 -0800
From: Michele C <mobody_62@y.......>
Subject: Re: Modern Vamps
--- DP001 <DP001@c.......> wrote:
> I'm not sure if LC would use anything like a palm
> pilot
> Like most "Older" people (Joke intended)
> He'd be a little reluctent to use any technology
> because he dosen't understand it
I don't know about that. He seemed to get around a
chat room pretty well.
Mo
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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:09:08 -0800
From: Adina Montgomery <adinaruth@e.......>
Subject: Re: Battle of Hastings
--McLisa Wrote--
I wonder if LC ever took on a persona as a professor of any kind? I can't quite
see him in a physical fight over an academic point, I can imagine him using
that sarcasm of his to mow down opposition.
...and if that fails, there's always the 'whammy'.
Adina
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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:21:47 -0500
From: Gaelin Wade <GaelinWade@a.......>
Subject: Re: FK Vamps and Modernity
Adina Montgomery <adinaruth@e.......> writes:
LaCroix seems to be your 'basic black' guy, always in good taste. ;-) ---
******************
Yes, basic black Armani. :-)
I've always seen LC as the one who wears the top labels and has the finest
things. Afterall, isn't he, not only used to them, but *entitled* to them.
Nick, on the other hand, I've always seens as flexible on this. His tastes are
much more eclectic. He buys and wears what appeals to him. Yes, it could be
that Armani jacket from the desigener's most recent collection, but it could just
as easily be a beat up leather coat he saw in the window the thrift shop on
Main St.
Gaelin
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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:40:53 -0500
From: Gaelin Wade <GaelinWade@a.......>
Subject: Re: Modern Vamps
>--- DP001 <DP001@c.......> wrote:
> I'm not sure if LC would use anything like a palm pilot. Like most "Older"
people (Joke intended) He'd be a little reluctent to use any technology because
he dosen't understand it
***********************
I'd agree, but for a completely different reason.
I think LC understands technology perfectly. Afterall, he was there to watch it
develop and advance. (As a former soldier, I bet, compared to the sword, he
thought guns were really cool. But at the same time, he probably felt sad at the
loss of intimacy in killing. But what does he care. He still needs to get up
close and personal to kill.)
Anyhow, LC just doesn't feel a need to use gadgets to accomplish things.
Usually, only when it is either expedient to his purpose or when he can manipulate
someone else by using them. He'd think computers are great for digging up dirt on
someone, communicating with his many children and remaining anonymous to
someone he was manipulating.
He's a man (vamp?) who keeps the details in his head - small ones and big ones.
Notes? What's important he can pull out of his head at a moment's notice. As a
Roman General, I doubt he had to refer to his notes to remember who he was
fighting and how to defeat them.
Being on time? What does LC care about being on time? He is Master of His
Universe. Time revolves around him. People arrive on time to see him. He arrives at
his destination when it suits him. That could be at the appointed hour or not.
Gaelin
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