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FORKNI-L Digest - 11 Jan 2005 to 12 Jan 2005 (#2005-12)

Wed, 12 Jan 2005

There are 19 messages totalling 654 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. FORKNI-L ~  Voice of Reason
  2. Crossover
  3. prayer request
  4. They're here, they're here!
  5. Exciting News! (3)
  6. "List Families" & Prayer Requests (Positive) Apologies For Cross Posting!
     (Long)
  7. Screed on Jeopardy... kinda (7)
  8. One For the Ratpack!
  9. update
 10. Family and Friends
 11. lists and beliefs

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Date:    Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:18:16 -0600
From:    Sami Swan Thompson <tsigili@e.......>
Subject: Re: FORKNI-L ~  Voice of Reason

Hi, Gang ~

Although I commend Sierra for trying to see both sides of the argument,
I am old and blunt.  The Voice of Reason speaks too loudly to ignore.
{We won't go into all the "other voices" that I hear occasionally.}

Speaking as a non-Christian, I think that people who loudly object to
prayer requests on this list should learn a little tolerance - and to read
the Subject Line.   Virtually every keyboard has a {Delete} key.

And generally speaking, people of good character and strong ethics
do not sink to the cowardly level of sending cruel, off-list messages.
Good Idea:  Never do anything you won't be proud of later.

As always, just my opinion.  Your mileage and results may vary, as will
your future, your toothbrush, and shoe size.


Sami



*********
Sami Swan Thompson           SAVOR EVERY DAY!
tsigili@e.......    ~    http://www.samiswanthompson.com
SOUTHWEST WRITERS CLUB:
http://www.geocities.com/southwestwriters1956/index.html

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Date:    Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:19:42 -0800
From:    Laura Davies <brightfeather1.geo@y.......>
Subject: Crossover

Well, *I'm* also a Pez head, and *I'll* volunteer to
beta it.  Keep in mind that I might not be able to get
back to you speedily, but I beta Pretender stuff all
the time.... ;)

Shadow


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Date:    Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:26:30 -0800
From:    Laura Davies <brightfeather1.geo@y.......>
Subject: prayer request

I'm a bit hesitant to send this because of the recent
unpleasantness, but I could really use ya'll's prayers
right now.  For the past year, I've been fighting
sores on my leg that wouldn't heal.  After seeing
seven different doctors, I finally got an answer to
what's wrong three weeks ago--I've got lymphedema.
Lymphedema is when your lymphatic system, for some
unknown reason, malfunctions and starts dumping the
junk proteins that your body can't use into a limb.
I've got it in both legs below the knee, and there
isn't a cure.

It's being treated, but I kind of need prayers for the
sores to heal quickly so that I can get rid of the
heavy, cumbersom, tight, hot, soft casts and what I
term the "flip flops from hell" and wear real shoes
again.  Walking to class in my new fashion statement
isn't a lot of fun at my city college.

Thanks ya'll.

Laura aka. Shadowstar (who has to go do her daily dose
of physical therapy)


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Date:    Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:29:12 -0800
From:    Laura Davies <brightfeather1.geo@y.......>
Subject: They're here, they're here!

<G>  I've had the S1 DVDs since last year, but I was
never allowed to get through more than the first disk
at home, and I didn't have my own DVD player.  Well, I
got one for Christmas and I've been watching them.  I
finished watchin season 1 yesterday, and S2 showed up
today!  Woohoo!  Just what I need to watch while doing
all those boring exercises for therapy!

Shadow



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Date:    Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:45:24 -0500
From:    Deborah Hymon <debh@e.......>
Subject: Exciting News!

Deborah A. Hymon's Forever Knight Fan Fiction & Romance Authors' Radio Show

Hi,

I wanted to share some exciting news about my writing. As many of you know,
I¹m pursuing a professional writing career as a romance author. Writing my
Forever Knight fan fiction has been a wonderful experience. I¹ve grown as a
writer, and made wonderful friends and contacts in the writing world, and
the Forever Knight fandom.

Recently, Jewel Adams, a multiple published author, was asked to host a
weekly show, on the internet Artist First World Radio Network. The show is
Jewel¹s Way‹Romance Authors' Radio Show. Jewel asked me to be a guest, to
discuss the world of fan fiction, and how it can open the doors for aspiring
writers. We'll be discussing Forever Knight, how I accidentally discovered
fan fiction, and the many aspects of the fan fiction genre.

You can access the network by going to:

http://www.jewelsway.com

To listen to the ROMANCE AUTHORS' RADIO SHOW you will need a media player.
Most likely, when you click on the radio or microphone the player should pop
up and you can start listening. To test it before hand just click the radio
to the left and see if the player comes up for you, you will just come in
and hear any show that is airing at the time. If you don't already have one
on your computer, it comes with the windows system, you may need an upgrade
or just want to check out what they have:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/download/default.asp?displang=en

This is download page, be sure to check for the right version.

***My guest date is: Wednesday--January 19, 2005‹10:00 p.m. (EST)***

I hope you can listen in.

Thanks,
Deborah

Deborah A. Hymon
DeborahAHymon.com

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Date:    Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:11:50 EST
From:    Billie Lee Williams <McCelt2003@a.......>
Subject: "List Families" & Prayer Requests (Positive) Apologies For Cross
Posting! (Long)

Good Afternoon List Families!

Sorry if you get this more than once; just seems important to share how much
this List Family (and "branches" thereof) indeed *is* a List Family and what
the Family has done for me........

BTW (hope I don't repeat myself below?); any and all prayer requests that
came across the Main, KOC or FansHug List; are in my prayers--absolutely.

I have been thinking about this all morning.  I didn't see whatever brought
on Libs' and then McL's & Don's Admin's posts about it; I was deleting a LOT of
email due to what is happening in my own life (unemployed, very sick, etc.).
I have thought even further about it, because a friend of mine passed away
quite suddenly and unexpectedly yesterday morning (to those on KOC and FansHug,
again I say, NO, not Marijo, she continues to recover).  I am again reminded
of LC's "Life is a Gift" monologue--to which I listen when I find life truly
challenging as I am finding it right now.

But, I started reading some of it this morning, and, then--well, I got to
thinking, and, yes, I thought for several hours before I started to write this
(yes, I will check this post carefully before I send it!!).  And, even at the
risk of possibly making some of my friends a little pee-o'd; well......., here
is my slightly more than two cents worth.  I am putting it in b/c I would like
folks to know how much this List and the affiliated Lists have meant to ME
(yup, I am repeating myself ::sigh:::). And, this is even though I am really
quiet on the Main List a great portion of the time; "lurking," as it were.

Please know also, that whenever I see a prayer request on the Main List (or
any other) I do pray, even if I don't come out of the woodwork and say so!!

Anyhow, I joined Forkni-L in, I *think,* 1998 or 1999.  I did not know a
__thing__ about being on a discussion list.  I was on the fiction list too, but
had to unsub b/c I became obsessed with reading every piece of fic, and, well,
that just isn't possible--for me, anyhow <g>.  I didn't know any abbreviations
or acronyms except "LOL" and <g>.  So, I asked, and a number of people were
kind enough to help me out with *great* and extensive lists of acronyms,
"netiquette" and that kind of thing; wow, I learned at lot, and I sure
appreciated
it!  For instance, I didn't know that CAPS were *shouting;* until someone told
me; things like that.

Etc.

But/and, no one yelled at me, I was welcomed and everyone was very kind.

Then, our cat (D'Jah, Black Siamese, some may remember?) disappeared. IIRC, I
asked McL's permission first, I did everything I could to make it on topic,
and I posted about it.  I didn't know anything about the KOC at the time
(someone did send me a very kind, private email later on, as I recall, is how I
believe I found out?), and I don't think (??) Libs' FansHug list existed yet.
I got *lots* of support, and, Hallelujah, D'Jah was found.  Then, D'Jah became
very ill.  I posted a poem (to be sung to the tune of Candle in the Wind/Goodbye
Norma Jean--pre Diana version) called "Hang on Dear D'Jah."  Still, I got
lots of support.  A mere few hours later, D'Jah passed away, peacefully--and I
rewrote the poem; "Goodbye Dear D'Jah."  I got ONE flame (offlist); well, I got
several, but they were all from the same person.  I made the mistake of saying
something about it on List; and I got a gentle reminder from McLisa, as I
should have--since I broke the rules, or made a mistake, how ever you want to
look at it; I did not make that mistake again.  Other than that one thing,
*all* I got was support.

My real *point* is that people who did not even __know me__ very well at that
time stood by me and supported me during a very difficult time.  It made more
difference to me, and to D'Jah's People Dad, than anyone will ever, ever
know........  I, to this day, have most of the email saved on my hard drive,
and ALL of it printed out in a binder with pictures of D'Jah.  Every e-card that
was sent to us, etc.  It meant a lot, more than anyone knows, like I said.
Anyone who says this is *not* a List *Family* just doesn't, well, __get it__.

What is more, since then, I have joined (as you can see by the cc list for this
email) both KOC (Knights of the Cross) and Libs' FansHug List; and, that is
where I take my prayer requests, for the most part (although, if anyone would
care to send me some prayers for getting UN-unemployed <g>, it is really
unusual for a "lettered" Registered Nurse to be in this predicament, LOL, and
UN-sick, I would sure appreciate it!)

My additional and most important point is:

It is because of *this* List, the Main List that I have:

Friends that I will have Forever/for life; one that I can sincerely and truly
call "My Best Friend That I Just Haven't Met In Person"  <<waves!!>> ;-)

Been supported through multiple life challenges; you just have no idea!

Quite possibly, because of friends I made *here* I am still __alive__ at all;
and that is no exaggeration

So, I guess I have made my point (everybody goes, yeah, BL you made it a long
time ago, enough already!! LOL).

This *is* a family.  No family gets along perfectly all the time, just like
Libs said earlier.  But/and it is a *great* family.  Even if I am really,
really quiet on this particular "side" <g> of the family (Forkni-L), I, for
one, am proud to be a member of such a family.

Thanks for "listening!!"

Forever Yours,
Forever Hugs,
Billie-Lee
"Oh, Master grant that I may never seek, so much to be consoled as to
console."
Saint Francis

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Date:    Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:02:54 -0800
From:    Amanda Berendt <debrabant_foundation@y.......>
Subject: Screed on Jeopardy... kinda

One of the categories on Jeopardy right now is
Rhyming Cockney speech....

Libs should clean up in that category!

-Amanda

=====
"This thing... man... whatever it is...evil may have created it, left its mark
on it, but evil does not rule it.  So I cannot kill it."  - Gabriel Van Helsing
http://www.darksideoftheglass.com


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Date:    Tue, 11 Jan 2005 19:26:48 EST
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Screed on Jeopardy... kinda

In a message dated 1/11/05 6:04:28 PM Central Standard Time,
debrabant_foundation@y....... writes:


> One of the categories on Jeopardy right now is
> Rhyming Cockney speech....
>
> Libs should clean up in that category!

I'm laughing because I "know" a woman on-line who is a Jeopardy writer and
I'm going to have to hunt down her addy an' find h'out iffen the lil' Ms.
scribbled tha' boatn'toy.

'Course Screed speak 'is a bit more than the Cockney rhymin' jammy-jam h'on
toast.

--Libs

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Date:    Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:14:17 -0000
From:    Linda Hepden <kezia.hepden@n.......>
Subject: Re: Screed on Jeopardy... kinda

>> One of the categories on Jeopardy right now is
>> Rhyming Cockney speech....

> 'Course Screed speak 'is a bit more than the Cockney rhymin' jammy-jam
> h'on toast.

Well, of course it is! Cockney Rhyming Slang is a relatively new 'language',
having had its origins in the Victorian era, and didn't really become well
known till the 1920s.  Whereas, our Screed is somewhere around 350-400 years
old.  So what he uses is 17th Century working class London - even if the way
he talks doesn't sound anything like the real thing (think East European
Jewish émigré accent, and you're getting close to the early East London
accent)...

But then, we all know continuity and historical accuracy was never the FK
production unit's strong point!

Make mine Brie on herb crackers, please!

Cousin Kezia

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Date:    Wed, 12 Jan 2005 02:28:26 -0000
From:    Linda Hepden <kezia.hepden@n.......>
Subject: One For the Ratpack!

Just found this article about how clever the wee lil' ratsies really are...

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/nm/20050111/od_nm/science_rats_dc

... and then they pretend they're not as intelligent as we are.  Yeah,
right!

Cousin Kezia

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Date:    Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:44:25 -0500
From:    Cheryl P <fknight420@c.......>
Subject: update

Thank you for the kind prayers, and thoughts.  Sadly no treatment on the
hand today, but I will need open hand surgery on both hands.  It appears
to be neuro problem.  Keep the thoughts going.  Stay safe.
Cheryl / fknight420@c.......



Sense what you have,
Don't trade a treasure
for an empty box.
ForeverKnight.5u.com.

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Date:    Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:00:14 -0500
From:    Cheryl P <fknight420@c.......>
Subject: Re: Exciting News!

FANTASTIC!  I WILL BE LISTENING, IF I CAN.

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Date:    Tue, 11 Jan 2005 23:07:08 EST
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Screed on Jeopardy... kinda

In a message dated 1/11/05 10:03:55 PM Central Standard Time,
kezia.hepden@n....... writes:


> But then, we all know continuity and historical accuracy was never the FK
> production unit's strong point!

Screed's way of speaking was not meant to be any certain type as far as I've
been able to determine. Some of it is Nadsat (sp?) from Clockwork Orange, some
is working class London, and some is Cockney Rhyming Slang. In one case, it
was a typo. As Greg hisselfisness would say, some of it was pure nonesense.

I reckon Screed traveled far and wide and picked up words, rhythm, and the
like here and there.

--Libs

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Date:    Tue, 11 Jan 2005 23:21:33 -0500
From:    Deborah Hymon <debh@e.......>
Subject: Re: Exciting News!

Thanks. I'm really excited about being on the radio talk show. Last week,
Jewel's site had 12,000 hits during her hour of broadcast. This is an
international broadcast. This past week she's received emails from all over
the world.

All of the authors appearing on the show, including me, are tied to her
site. There's only been two shows, but those two authors have seen major
increase with traffic on their sites. I can't wait to discuss Forever Knight
and this fandom's fan fiction.

Deborah
DeborahAHymon.com

on 1/11/05 6:00 PM, Cheryl P at fknight420@c....... wrote:

> FANTASTIC!  I WILL BE LISTENING, IF I CAN.
>

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Date:    Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:47:00 -0800
From:    Adina Montgomery <adinaruth@e.......>
Subject: Re: Screed on Jeopardy... kinda

BTW...how is Greg these days?  How is his recovery progressing...haven't heard
anything about him in a while.

:


 As Greg hisselfisness would say, some of it was pure nonesense.

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Date:    Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:34:43 +0100
From:    Lorin <vachesang@1.......>
Subject: Re: Screed on Jeopardy... kinda

Linda Hepden wrote:
>Well, of course it is! Cockney Rhyming Slang is a relatively new
'language', having had its origins in the Victorian era, >and didn't
really become well known till the 1920s.  Whereas, our Screed is
somewhere around 350-400 years old.  So what
>he uses is 17th Century working class London - even if the way he talks
doesn't sound anything like the real thing (think >East European Jewish
émigré accent, and you're getting close to the early East London
accent)...

Believe me, Screed's no Cockney!  I am, born & bred, and I can't figure
out half of what he says.  It does seem odd that he hasn't altered his
accent/way of speech over the years, though - you listen to, say, an
American who's lived in England for several years - their accent
changes, even though they aren't consciously trying to change it.  I had
a broad Cockney accent (yep, along with a bunch of the slang) for the
first 20 years of my life.  I *had* to change when I went to University,
and then had to drastically work on my accent in order to get a decent
job.  Apparently Cockney does not sound professional on the telephone...
<g>

I've lived outside of London for 18 years now, my accent is sort of a
generalised British one, but I still use some of the old slang - and my
American co-workers have been known to say something is 'wonky', and on
one memorable occasion my boss, getting more and more frustrated by a
piece of work he couldn't figure out, finally threw his pen across the
room and yelled "Bugger it!"

I guess, seeing as Screed apparently prefers to keep to himself, that he
would still have a strong accent - but he spent an awfully long time
with Vachon.  I wonder if Vachon picked up any Cockney phrases....

Lor

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Date:    Wed, 12 Jan 2005 07:24:03 EST
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Screed on Jeopardy... kinda

In a message dated 1/11/05 10:48:41 PM Central Standard Time,
adinaruth@e....... writes:


> BTW...how is Greg these days?  How is his recovery progressing...haven't
> heard anything about him in a while.

He's doing remarkably well, the last I heard, and beginning to return to
work. Thanks to his fans for their support doing his surgery and recovery.

By the way, be sure to check out his newest book, 'Wally.'

--Libs

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Date:    Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:30:26 -0800
From:    chris thatcher <mb_the_spy@y.......>
Subject: Family and Friends

I realize this is a late acknowledgement. About the
holiday card project: It was lovely to get so many of
them!  That's never happened to me before.  I didn't
realize so many of you cared that much not just about
me, but others on the list.  And i enjoyed sending
greetings to many of you.  I wanted to say this
anyway, but even more so on reflection of recent
unpleasantness.

chris ;?

=====
"I don't bite.... Well, that's wrong; I do bite."
       ~K'Ehleyr



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Date:    Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:37:16 -0500
From:    Julia Kocich <jkocich@g.......>
Subject: lists and beliefs

I, Julia Kocich, hereby aver and attest that, in the interests of
listserver space and an old-fashioned sense of propriety, I shall
never request prayers from strangers (or acquaintances) on Forkni-l.

I don't consider Internet lists to be "families." I tend to know who
the members of my family are, and I assume so do you.

I don't know most of the folks on the lists I'm on, or the lists I own.

For personal "sharing," there are chats and IMs. For personal prayers
and support from the FK online fandom, there are lists dedicated to
that.

The lists are like a crowded ballroom with people milling about in
small groups, and a stage with a mike on it.

When we post to the lists, we're stepping up to the mike.

Yes, there is the "delete" key, but ... that doesn't, in my opinion,
remove the onus from the person stepping up to the mike. In my version
of the universe, they would first ask themselves, "Are most of the
people here going to be interested in what I have to say? Is it
important enough to force everyone to listen to?"

See, you can disagree with my point of view, because it IS a point of
view, an opinion.

Prayer requests cannot be argued with, since there's nothing to argue.
You've stymied most of your audience, instead of opening a dialogue.

It seems illogical that this list discourages talk about the personal
lives and travails of the FK actors, while allowing listmembers to
discuss their personal lives and travails. But that's the listowner's
privilege. It's her list.

I am slightly more distressed by a recurring tendency on this list for
people to take personal disagreements onto the list from private
e-mail.

It happened to me a while back, and I quit the list.

Running to the listowner because somebody complained to YOU about
something does not seem, to me, to be, well ... seemly. And yes, I do
understand that there is no genuine "privacy" in e-mail, but there is
an implicit agreement, or should be, between list and private e-mail.

If (big "if" <g>) anyone has read this far down, I invite whoever
wishes to to post their own "DNP" (do not pray) statement to the list.

<Huh? What? Whaddya mean, I'm making trouble? Moi? Nah .... >

Returning the mike to the mike stand, I remain,

Your obedient servant,
Julia K
UF list cobra
"We do have a modicum of ironic detachment from which we fling
ourselves wholeheartedly into this nonsense."

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