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FORKNI-L Digest - 4 Nov 2003 to 5 Nov 2003 (#2003-23)

Wed, 5 Nov 2003

There are 21 messages totalling 566 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. FK DVDs
  2. who's to blame? (2)
  3. fangs, how to, who would was: FK Moment (2)
  4. DVDs - Denied! (update)
  5. Giving up some FK stuff (2)
  6. OOPS
  7. FK Moment (3)
  8. AtA info
  9. Power seller (7)
 10. GWD/FK CHF Auction

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Date:    Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:42:10 EST
From:    Questinc@a.......
Subject: Re: FK DVDs

The FK DVDs ont he day they were released were put on a special table that
you saw right away in the DVD section of my local Best Buy here at the Northeast
Mall (which is near my home in Keller, Texas).  Not sure if all Best Buys
have a "new release" table but mine does.  They later moved the DVDs up where
they keep Buffy and Angel (the week after initial release) so fans could find
them easily.

Not sure how well the DVDs are selling but I have my copy.  I pre-ordered it
from Amazon.

Anyway - the Enforcer LOVES Texas!

Ron the Enforcer
from the Lone Star State
Questinc@a.......

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Date:    Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:42:54 -0500
From:    Debbie Clarke <dittany121@h.......>
Subject: Re: who's to blame?

>From: Laura Davies <brightfeather1.geo@y......>
>
>Laura (who's suddenly wondering if she's unknowingly
>done business with LaCroix...  so she can introduce him to her Roman Art
>and Architecture professor to see how long it takes
>before LaCroix drains the annoying little man for her!

Maybe  you're too late and LaCroix has  already brought him across.

Debbie Clarke

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Date:    Tue, 4 Nov 2003 20:30:45 -0500
From:    Arletta Asbury <g4akl@c.......>
Subject: Re: fangs, how to, who would was: FK Moment

At 07:13 AM 11/4/2003 -0800, Bast wrote:
>Just remember you did ask.. :-) [And then wrote a clear explanation of
>the process.] Actually, I could see Vachon doing it for some extra bucks
>in a goth club or around Halloween.

I just wanted to thank-you for taking the time to explain the process. No I
doubt that I'd ever do it, I'd be too afraid that I'd damage my teeth. (I'm
even squeemish whenever the dentist tries to take an impression thinking
that that's gonna damage something.)

>Come to think of it..<snip> maybe Vachon would do them. Think of all the
>girls he could get. I don't know if Screed would want to put in that much
>work, when he could scrounge stuff for a swap meet or something.  Nat
>might on a dare or something. <snip> LaCroix... I REALLY don't think so. *

I thought of someone else. Urs might be pursuaded to make fake fangs for
someone. (Since it's in her nature to try to please others.) And I agree
Lacroix wouldn't, although if someone asked for fake fangs, he might decide
to give someone fangs by the "natural" method (chomp, hello fledgling). And
Divia definatly wouldn't try to help anyone! She didn't even try to
save her own mother from Vesuvius (forget about making fake fangs for
anyone else).

Arletta

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Date:    Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:29:46 -0800
From:    Laura Davies <brightfeather1.geo@y......>
Subject: Re: who's to blame?

Debbie said:
> Maybe  you're too late and LaCroix has  already
> brought him across.

Nope.  <g> Class is in the afternoon, and I've seen
him in sunlight.

Laura <veg>


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Date:    Tue, 4 Nov 2003 21:11:34 -0500
From:    Phoenix <phoenix@s.......>
Subject: DVDs - Denied! (update)

Thank you everyone for your kind words and very good suggestions on what
to do about my missing DVDs.

Here's an update on my situation.

The Post Office has utterly refused to do anything about it other than to
never leave packages by my door in the future.  I've filed the various
bits of paperwork I fully expect to be duly filed by some postal employee
in the circular file (yep, cynical about government processes).

Barnes & Noble said they'd refund my money and I could simply reorder the
item and they're paying for shipping.  Nice, 'cept the item no longer
sells for $25.  I've pointed out the obvious problem with this, plus my
budget being locked in for this pay period.  I'm waiting to hear back from
them to see if they'll honor the original price.

Again, thanks for the kind thoughts and your suggestions.  It's really
helped a lot.

Ye Olde List Founder.

--

Jean Prior
aka Jayekitty
or Phoenix

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Date:    Tue, 4 Nov 2003 23:08:30 EST
From:    BJDFKFan@a.......
Subject: Giving up some FK stuff

Hi everybody,

I've finally come to the conclusion that I just simply cannot keep every single
item of TV show memorabilia that I've collected in my lifetime and in the
interest of freeing up some space I'm parting with a bunch of stuff.  Much of
the list is various and sundry FK related items.  There are also things from a
few other shows.  Many of the items (both FK and non-FK) are "free plus postage"
and the things that aren't free are generally pretty reasonable given what I
paid for them.  I'll ship anywhere, your choice of shipping methods/options,
and you are welcome to make an offer if you don't like my listed price.

Please email me OFF LIST at bjdfkfan@a....... if you'd like a copy of my list
of items.  The list is in MS Word format...if you need a different format
(plain text etc.) please also mention that in your email.

Becky
whose sig seems to have vaporized
since I upgraded to the latest AOL :-(

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Date:    Tue, 4 Nov 2003 22:10:52 -0600
From:    Becky Hinson <bayoubecky@c.......>
Subject: Re: fangs, how to, who would was: FK Moment

Fanfic anyone??  I would, but I don't quite have the time at the moment...

:)
~Cousin Becky

----- Original Message -----

> And I agree
> Lacroix wouldn't, although if someone asked for fake fangs, he might decide
> to give someone fangs by the "natural" method (chomp, hello fledgling).
> Arletta

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Date:    Wed, 5 Nov 2003 00:19:17 -0600
From:    DLPH <DLPH@c.......>
Subject: Re: Giving up some FK stuff

I looked at your list

I want to order  (I guess order is the right word)

Nigel Bennett's Scrooge - Play program from the Neptune Theatre, December
2000

Near mint condition.  Price:  Free plus postage
(This is a VCR tape . . . . right?)

Farscape promotional poster - Really nice poster approx. 16x20 featuring big
pic of Scorpius, smaller pics of Crichton, Chiana, Rygel, and Zahn.  Text
says "Farscape" and Sci Fi Channel logo in kinda yellow-green diagonally
from lower left, and "New Discoveries.  New Dangers.  New Desires.  New
Demons." diagonally at upper right.  Near mint.  Price:  $2.00 plus postage.



Farscape promotional stickers - About 2.5" diameter stickers promoting
Farscape on Sci Fi Channel.  Features half of Zahn's head on right side and
Farscape logo and broadcast info on left side.  Mint condition, never been
stuck.  I have four of these available.  Price:  Free plus postage.



Science Fiction Age magazine - November 1994 issue.  Cover says issue
includes Star Trek surprises, Spielberg's Earth 2, Harlan Ellison & Isaac
Asmov's I, Robot illustrated screenplay, John Brunner:  Tomorrows Drugs,
David Brin:  Planetary Exodus, Larry Niven's Ringworld, Death & Disaster on
Mars by Clark Perry, and Robot Love Story by Resnick & DiChario.  Very good
condition, back few pages are dogeared at top corner, and there is a white
sticker either from the store or the publisher smack in the middle of the
cover that says 9-94.  Price:  Free plus postage



I can send you a check - About $10 - for all of it

what's your snail mail & who do I make it out to?

DLPH@c.......

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Date:    Wed, 5 Nov 2003 00:25:18 -0600
From:    DLPH <DLPH@c.......>
Subject: OOPS

OOPS
Everyone ignore that message
It wasn't supposed to go to the list


I should probally get some sleep
before my brain compleatly melts

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Date:    Wed, 5 Nov 2003 17:26:15 +1100
From:    Christine Hawkins <chawkins@n.......>
Subject: Re: FK Moment

> "Every time I see one of those shows I can't help
wondering how they'd react if they found out that a
survivor of Vesuvius was still alive...er...ok
        un-alive...to talk to."<

I can't help thinking that this would make a great show ... a history series
with interviews by the Nightcrawler.  :-)  Just think how many "Reality TV"
history programs have been popular recently!

Christine.

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Date:    Wed, 5 Nov 2003 08:23:41 EST
From:    Michele Canterbury <Mobody@a.......>
Subject: Re: FK Moment

In a message dated 11/5/03 2:38:21 AM Eastern Standard Time,
chawkins@n....... writes:

> I can't help thinking that this would make a great show ... a history
> series
> with interviews by the Nightcrawler.  :-)  Just think how many "Reality TV"
> history programs have been popular recently!

Anyone remember "You are there"  ??  Hmmm  hosted by the Nightcrawler???

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Date:    Wed, 5 Nov 2003 08:36:51 -0500
From:    Joe LaCour <joelacour@c.......>
Subject: Re: FK Moment

From: "Michele Canterbury" <Mobody@a.......>
> Anyone remember "You are there"  ??  Hmmm  hosted by the Nightcrawler???

<Stops lurking>
Wouldn't it be better to have "I was there", hosed by Lucien LaCroix.

Imagine the fun he would have describing some Roman battle.  "Here the Roman
legions under the command of General Lucius fought a pitched battle against
the invaders.  At the critical moment, I, er General Lucius, broke the
spirit of the invaders with a flank attack from a hidden cohort."

The possibilities are endless..  Fan-fic?

<Back to lurking>
Joe

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Date:    Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:24:26 -0500
From:    "Berendt, Amanda" <Amanda.Berendt@a.......>
Subject: AtA info

Is there a transcript of AtA anywhere online?  I am writing a fic that uses
those events to set the story up and I need to get the chronology in the right
order.  Yeah, I could watch the ep but then I would have to take notes and it is
just a pain. :-)
Thanks!

-Amanda (who is very happy thinking of my brother watching my extra set of FK
dvds!)

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Date:    Wed, 5 Nov 2003 07:09:58 -0800
From:    Laurie of the Isles <laudon1228@y......>
Subject: Re: Power seller

--- DLPH <DLPH@c.......> wrote:

Re: rare ancient artifacts

> he would have to have them appraised
> but that's easy - they're all completly authentic

As someone (I'm thinking Nancy K.) pointed out the last
time a discussion like this popped up, it would be
interesting seeing how he came up with provenance for
the items.  How do you explain possessing rare things
that nobody's seen for centuries?

=====
Laurie of the Isles
<Laudon1228@y......>
"I'm very into Britney Spears' early work, before she sold
out.  So mostly her, um, finger painting and macaroni art.
Very underrated." Dawn, BtVS, 'Lessons'

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Date:    Wed, 5 Nov 2003 07:08:59 -0800
From:    Maura Tremayne <admin@s.......>
Subject: GWD/FK CHF Auction

Posted with permission:

I'm hosting an annual CHF Charity Auction with FK & GWD items - some signed
items included - all proceeds to be donated.

Interested in looking/bidding? Search eBay - or - visit my revamped site

http://www.sacrosanctum.org/fk/index.html

and check BOTH links for available items. Bid well -

Auction ends Friday night!

Questions? Just email me - Maura


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Date:    Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:19:39 EST
From:    Michele Canterbury <Mobody@a.......>
Subject: Re: Power seller

In a message dated 11/5/03 10:11:14 AM Eastern Standard Time,
laudon1228@y...... writes:

> interesting seeing how he came up with provenance for
> the items.  How do you explain possessing rare things
> that nobody's seen for centuries?

Things come up for auction that were part of private family collections all
the time.

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Date:    Wed, 5 Nov 2003 16:43:53 +0000
From:    Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@c.......>
Subject: Re: Power seller

Michelle wrote:

> Things come up for auction that were part of private family collections all
> the time.

Yeah, but it would be hard to explain how truly exquisite examples of art and
artifacts were totally unknown for so long. I've read about this issue in
sources such as Archaeology magazine---tracing the ownership of museum-quality
artifacts is quite amazing. They find stuff mentioned in wills, household lists,
letters, journals, and so on, that chronicle possession of items down through the
years. It would be very hard to explain away something that LC has possessed for
2000 years as having been in a private family collection---what family? Where?
Where'd they get it? Why wasn't it mentioned in said journals/wills/lists etc.?
Why has no one seen it---ever?

I think that modern-day experts would immediately think that the artifact was
either a fake, or stolen from a modern dig, and thus subject to international
and national laws against the removal of artifacts from their country of origin.
(Indiana Jones is no longer! Digs are authorized and regulated by national
bureaucracies, and often the PTB have a representative on hand to ensure that any
finds are not taken out of the country but will end up in a national museum.)

Maybe Aristotle could whip up enough documtentation to push through some
smaller items. But other than somehow taking stuff to Italy and planting it in
someone's field, then accidentally "finding" it, LC would have a tough time
auctioning that marble bust at Sotheby's. He'd have much better luck on the
illegal black market.

After all, you can whammy only so many people!

--
nancykam@c.......
www.nancykam.com

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Date:    Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:26:01 -0600
From:    DLPH <DLPH@c.......>
Subject: Re: Power seller

> How do you explain possessing rare things
> that nobody's seen for centuries?

Just say

I  "Found" them

Or
they're family heirlooms
that have been passed down for a long time

Or

One day I found my room over run with elves & lepercons.
They gave me these things in exchange for an over night stay
& letting them raid my fridge.


But I don't think they'll buy that last one

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Date:    Wed, 5 Nov 2003 12:39:48 -0500
From:    Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Re: Power seller

> How do you explain possessing rare things
> that nobody's seen for centuries?


All he has to do is claim that he inherited them from an ancestor.  This even
covers Roman objects.  From the Renaissance until the First World War, gentlemen
routinely brought home antiquities from visits to Italy. Pompeii was first
seriously excavated in the 18th century.  A number of the finds got into private
hands.

This is what a common line in exhibition catalogs means when describing
provenance:  "[name of first known owner] and by descent."  If the current
descendant doesn't want to admit to owning the item, he or she doesn't have to
allow his or her name to appear.

Since LaCroix'd  selling them, he'd have to give a name, but all he needs to do
is have Aristotle or whoever does his document forgeries for Aristotle provide
a few strategic documents.  Apparent estate inventories, wills, and so on would
do fine.

McLisa
mclisa@m.......

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Date:    Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:51:49 -0800
From:    Laura Davies <brightfeather1.geo@y......>
Subject: Re: Power seller

One day I found my room over run with elves &
leprichons.They gave me these things in exchange for
an over night stay & letting them raid my fridge.


ROTFL!

Seriously though, Lisa's right, he could pass them off
as an "inheritance".  While Pompeii wasn't seriously
excavated until the 19th century (1800's ;) ) it could
have ceom from amature diggers or even from other
sites.  I saw a program on the history channel the
other day about a couple of other "lost" Roman cities
that'd just been abandoned, and there are other
scattered cities that have much of the walls, etc.
pretty much intact.  I'm sure that some of this stuff
could be found inside.

Laura (who has to get to her Roman Art and
Architecture class)

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Date:    Wed, 5 Nov 2003 18:13:57 +0000
From:    Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@c.......>
Subject: Re: Power seller

DLPH wrote:

> Just say
> I  "Found" them

Won't work. Found them where? When? Tell all. If you disturbed an
archaeological site, you get arrested.

> Or
> they're family heirlooms
> that have been passed down for a long time

See previous post about evidence of possession.

It was so much easier a hundred years ago...

Nancy Kaminski
--
nancykam@c.......
www.nancykam.com
> > How do you explain possessing rare things
> > that nobody's seen for centuries?
>
> Just say
>
> I  "Found" them
>
> Or
> they're family heirlooms
> that have been passed down for a long time
>
> Or
>
> One day I found my room over run with elves & lepercons.
> They gave me these things in exchange for an over night stay
> & letting them raid my fridge.
>
>
> But I don't think they'll buy that last one

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