FORKNI-L

FORKNI-L Digest - 8 Sep 2003 to 9 Sep 2003 (#2003-257)

Tue, 9 Sep 2003

There are 15 messages totalling 389 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Endearments (Was Did LC ever?)
  2. Rick Springfield in Hulk TV series (2)
  3. Did LC ever?
  4. Mon Fils - "feese" versus "fee" (3)
  5. YKYBWTMFK....
  6. FK Moment
  7. LCA 6 Update
  8. Ben Bass
  9. Re:  just wondering
 10. Just wondering...
 11. Nat's shirts
 12. Er, that's meat, not mean :)

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Date:    Mon, 8 Sep 2003 15:14:24 -0400
From:    mary combs <combsm@e.......>
Subject: Re: Endearments (Was Did LC ever?)

Megan wrote:
> OK, I'm not fluent, but I did study French and I did live in Quebec for a
while. <snip> 'Fils' is pronounced 'fil', skipping the 's'.

In France, "fils" is pronounced "fees" -- perhaps the Quebecois say it
differently. (My neighbors from Georgia and Maine certainly don't sound the
same!)

Ma fille (my daughter) ends with the sound Megan aptly describes as a "
swallowed l "    As does the word " fil " which means "thread."

While we're on the subject of endearments here's a quick rundown on some
things that show up often in fan fic.

The slash below \  indicates the accent over the e and the ^ the accent
over the a in ame.

A man would be addressed as:
mon fils (my son)
mon cher (my dear...) mon cher Nicholas, mon cher fils, mon cher ami, mon
cher fre\re (brother)
Che\ri    (My dear--Pet form)
mon petit  (little one)
mon ami  (my friend)
mon enfant  (my child)
mon amour (my love)
mon a^me  (my soul   a^me is always feminine, but mon is used instead of ma
because of the "a"  Nick would speak of his eternal soul as "mon a^me
eternelle." )
mon prote/ge/    (my protege, under my protection)

A woman would be addressed as
ma fille (my daughter)
ma che\re ...  ma che\re fille, ma che\re soeur (sister)
Che\rie
ma petite
mon amie    (That vowel again--amie is feminine. So,  "mon amie" but "ma
petite amie")
mon enfant
mon amour
mon a^me   (as above)
ma prote/ge/e

Mary

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Date:    Mon, 8 Sep 2003 14:34:17 -0700
From:    Emily <emilymhanson@y......>
Subject: Rick Springfield in Hulk TV series

I was watching the Hulk on Scifi the other day.  Was it my imagination
or was that a very young Rick Springfield?

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Emily M. Hanson
emilymhanson@y......
http://www.starbase-eprime.us

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Date:    Mon, 8 Sep 2003 17:40:37 -0400
From:    Gaelin Wade <GaelinWade@a.......>
Subject: Re: Did LC ever?

Hmm...as far as I remember, pronunciation in Canada often differs somewhat from
that of France. At least that in and around Paris which is what I learned. And
generally, the "s" is silent at the end of a word. But there are exceptions,
and this is one.

"Mon Fils" from what I recall should be pronounced "mon fees".

Just to be sure, I looked it up.

http://www.ipasource.com/Documents/Diction/French%20Charts.pdf
http://french.about.com/library/pronunciation/bl-lettresmuettes.htm
(fils is listed as an exception near the bottom of the page)


Gaelin


In a message dated 9/8/2003 2:49:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
mistrydder@y......
> OK, I'm not fluent, but I did study French and I did live in
> Quebec for a while.  The basic rule of thumb is that the last letter of any
> word is silent, unless it's a c, r, f, or l.

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Date:    Mon, 8 Sep 2003 14:51:12 -0700
From:    Will Steeves <goid@i.......>
Subject: Re: Mon Fils - "feese" versus "fee"

Although I took 10 years of French courses during elementary, high school,
and university, it has been over 10 years since I have spoken much French.
That said, I do recall that it is pronounced "feese", rather than "fee".

However, French courses in English-speaking Canada (at least in Ontario,
anyway, by which I mean the province of Ontario, not the city of Ontario,
San Bernardino County, California, USA :-) ) teach "La Langue Francaise
Parisienne", meaning that although we have Quebec right across the Rideau,
we still teach Parisian French.  I guess that school boards don't think well
of Quebecois French. :-(

So....it is possible that Quebecois pronounce it "fee", so Megan as a former
Quebec resident is probably as correct in saying that it is pronounced
"fee", as the others have been in saying that it is pronounced "feese".

W.

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Date:    Mon, 8 Sep 2003 17:12:14 -0500
From:    Christy Stillman <cstillma@u.......>
Subject: Re: Rick Springfield in Hulk TV series

<<I was watching the Hulk on Scifi the other day.  Was it my imagination
or was that a very young Rick Springfield?>>

If it was the following episode, yes, it was.  This is from the
us.imbd.com web site under "Notable Guest TV Appearances."

"Incredible Hulk, The" (1978) playing "Mike Roark" in episode: "The
Disciple" (episode # 2.18) 16 March 1979

Christy
cstillma@u.......

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Date:    Mon, 8 Sep 2003 16:43:37 -0700
From:    Amanda Berendt <debrabant_foundation@y......>
Subject: YKYBWTMFK....

Gee, in October that subject will be more common....

Anyway... I was watching a preview for "Underworld" (about the
eternal battle between vampires and warewolves) and one of the lines
was something to the affect of "you should die" to the female lead
vampire and she says "Not before you do."  That is almost the exact
words Lacroix says to Nick in Dark Knight part 2!
Also, one of the character's name is Lucian.  Yes it's spelled
differently and he is a warewolf and not a vampire, but hey....

-Amanda

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"Give me your soul and your heart will take flight
Forevermore in the night, Forever MINE in the night"
http://operacellar.tripod.com/phantomslair.html
http://debrabantfoundation.tripod.com/home.html


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Date:    Mon, 8 Sep 2003 17:13:25 -0700
From:    FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@y......>
Subject: FK Moment

I wondered if Schanke was up here this weekend...the
local Polish community had a Polka fest. I think it's
a yearly thing, I seem to remember posting something
like this last year. I think of Dark Knight every time
I see an article about it. "Schanke, I'm gonna kill
you!" LOLOL

Mel

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The trouble with immortality is that it tends to go on forever-Herb Cain
FK:NickNatPacker, Knight of the Cross,Knightie, Natpacker/Highlander:Duncan
Flag-Waver/Due South Fan/Tracker Fan/Angel Fan/Port Charles Fan

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Date:    Mon, 8 Sep 2003 20:14:58 -0400
From:    Debbie Clarke <dittany121@h.......>
Subject: Re: Mon Fils - "feese" versus "fee"

  I  had a French Canadian  as my  french  teacher  for one of the years I
took french.  Fils is definitely  pronounced fis. Most of the time the
French drop   the s at the end of the word  but every so often they
pronounce it just to make life difficult.

But watch out for fille.  In certain situations it  can mean a woman of
loose morals as my dictionary so tactfully puts it and one French teacher
sarcastically  pointed out.

Debbie Clarke

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Date:    Mon, 8 Sep 2003 20:16:02 -0400
From:    Debbie Clarke <dittany121@h.......>
Subject: Re: Mon Fils - "feese" versus "fee"

sorry about that Will.  I meant to send that letter to FORKNI-L.  That's
what you get for not checking the address first.

Debbie


I  had a French Canadian  as my  french  teacher  for one of the years I
took french.  Fils is definitely  pronounced fis. Most of the time the
French drop   the s at the end of the word  but every so often they
pronounce it just to make life difficult.

But watch out for fille.  In certain situations it  can mean a woman of
loose morals as my dictionary so tactfully puts it and one French teacher
sarcastically  pointed out.



Debbie Clarke

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Date:    Mon, 8 Sep 2003 20:58:07 -0400
From:    Annmarie <wenchs@c.......>
Subject: LCA 6 Update

September 8, 2003

Greetings from MPICA!

We have just added the following guests:

Doug O'Keeffe 24/La Femme Nikita/Mutant X
David Rosen, Producer Psi Factor
Brock Jolliffe, Special Effects La Femme Nikita/Mutant X

Note: All guest appearances are subject to professional commitments

Please stay tuned - even more to come!

Regards,

MPICA
<http://www.mpica.org>http://www.mpica.org
Lights, Camera, Auction - Take 6!
<http://www.mpica.org/LCA6/main.htm>http://www.mpica.org/LCA6/main.htm

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Date:    Mon, 8 Sep 2003 22:01:10 -0400
From:    jmtof@j.......
Subject: Ben Bass

Actually, his hair has been that length for some time - it was a little
longer about 2 years ago but the length you saw it in Dead Like Me is how
it looks now.  I loved the ep - thought he did beautifully in it.

It should rebroadcast tomorrow nite (Tuesday).  If you didn't catch it
you should.

Jean
Pres, BBFC

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Date:    Mon, 8 Sep 2003 23:59:55 EDT
From:    DanaKnight@a.......
Subject: Re:  just wondering

I heard that CD had two shirts to pick from, and she picked the one she liked
better.

I believe one says Facsim is not Racism.

I thought one said Virginia on it. I used it in one of my fics, where I had
Nat going to school in Virginia for forensics as there are no forensic
pathology programs in Canada (or was it Toronto?). I had her rooming with
Scully (from the X-Files).

The one under her heart jacket doesn't fit with either slogan mentioned
already. It does fit nicely with Virginia.

I missed it when she stopped wearing her casual clothes at Nick's. And him
not dressing in the jeans and more casual stuff of first season.

As for which Richard, I think it was a staff member. I think whoever wrote
the ep didn't know the brother's name was Richard.

Judy

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Date:    Tue, 9 Sep 2003 11:14:36 -0500
From:    Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Re: Just wondering...

KC asks:

>But *would* Richard (Nat's brother) have the authority, as a prosecuting
>attorney, to order tests on a body?  I wouldn't think so, but I really don't know!

I don't know either but I'm just wondering something else. I don't recall
anyone' noticing this when the show was in first run. It's possible that the line
was cut in CBS Crimetime. Are we sure she said "Richard?"

McLisa
mclisa@m.......

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Date:    Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:26:50 -0500
From:    Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Nat's shirts

Here's what else I recall CD saying in that interview from Knightly News. The
wardrobe woman brought her a couple of shirts which one of the producers had
sent for her to wear. One was the Racism one. The other had a slogan about mean --
not further specified -- which was so ambiguous that CD couldn't figure out
whether it was for or against it. I don't know whether she picked the Racism shirt
or wardrobe did. I do know Ger commented that he hadn't remembered what it said
and had used freeze-frame to figure it out.

As for the university shirt, I remember it as the University of Alberta, which
has a medical school. I didn't have much of a freeze-frame on the old vcr and
haven't replayed the episodes in some time. I'm pretty sure someone would have
disagreed when the show was in first-run if they'd thought the shirt said
something else, especially UVA. I like the idea of her having roomed with Scully.
Maybe it was a slightly alternate universe? :)

Of course, it's not necessary to be an alum to wear a university's shirt. I
know someone who collects them and wears them to work. She's probably got the only
University of South Carolina shirt at the University of Toronto, and I'm sure
she has the only Midlands Technical College (Columbia, S.C.) shirt. Anyone out
there think there are any reasons pro or con Nat's being an Alberta alumna? It
could be her undergrad alma mater if she went to medical school elsewhere.

McLisa
mclisa@m.......

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Date:    Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:31:44 -0500
From:    Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Er, that's meat, not mean :)

I see I attributed a slogan about mean to one of the Nat t-shirts. That should
be meat.

McLisa, who can't type this morning
mclisa@m.......

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