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FORKNI-L Digest - 17 May 2003 to 18 May 2003 (#2003-144)

Sun, 18 May 2003

There are 14 messages totalling 427 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. the trouble with mortality (10)
  2. FK moments (2)
  3. Fic question
  4. Admin: Forkni-l Rules

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Date:    Sat, 17 May 2003 18:17:30 EDT
From:    Evelyn Duncan <BrandyKitt@a.......>
Subject: Re: the trouble with mortality

In a message dated 05/17/2003 3:08:48 PM Central Daylight Time,
BlueFaeryMagick@a....... writes:

<<
Okay, so maybe it's a dumb idea...and i shouldn't have him
lose his memory????

>>

I remember a fanfic in which Nick became human again and
did lose his memory of the years between 1228 and the present
day.  It was posted on FKFIC-L several years ago.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@a.......
They'll have to rip the Oreos from my cold, dead hands.

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Date:    Sat, 17 May 2003 19:19:09 -0400
From:    Debbie Clarke <dittany121@h.......>
Subject: Re: the trouble with mortality

>From: Sierra Mayberry <BlueFaeryMagick@a.......>
>  instead of dying, he became mortal--and also lost his memory.
>  I had him only remember being mortal b/c i didn't want him to remember
>being
>a vampire, and to remember some things wrong, including right up to being
>brought across.  Okay, so maybe it's a dumb idea...and i shouldn't have him
>lose his memory????

I have no problem with a vampire losing his memory.  In fact I look forward
to reading  about it some time.  Mind you  I'm not certain  how you'll get
him out of it but   that's   up to you .   .  In short   it's your story do
what you want with him. Isn't  most  fiction  a willing suspension of
disbelief?  That being the case you can't be wrong.

Debbie Clarke

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Date:    Sun, 18 May 2003 02:16:24 +0200
From:    Doris Weiss <dorisweiss_2000@y......>
Subject: Re: the trouble with mortality

Sierra wrote:<snip>  Okay, so maybe it's a dumb
> idea...and i shouldn't have him
> lose his memory????

God no, you can write whatever you like. Actually the
accident thing sounds interesting. I just had some
problems with the idea that becoming mortal implied
memory loss. It was probably me who got that wrong.

Luc

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"Even eternal life is too short to wait for a table." - Uncle -

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Date:    Sat, 17 May 2003 22:29:52 EDT
From:    Jeannie Ecklund <Gersknightlady@a.......>
Subject: Re: FK moments

Thsi afternoon I was at my neices house watch the baby while she slept.  Her
husband came home from work and started to switch channels from movie to
movie.  The first one he stopped at had Nigel in it.  Murder at 1600.  I
think.  The next one had John Kapelos in a movie where his son was being
taken from him by the real parents who birthed him...not sure how the switch
or kidnapping happened. The nephew-in law kept changing channels...next a
movie that had the man who played Schanke's best friend...in The Code.  This
man also played on Black Harbour with Ger.  He was his wife's brother.
Anyway thought that was all strange they should be on at the same time.....:)=

Jeannie

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Date:    Sat, 17 May 2003 22:37:43 EDT
From:    Michele Canterbury <Mobody@a.......>
Subject: Re: FK moments

In a message dated 5/17/2003 10:33:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Gersknightlady@a....... writes:

>  switch channels from movie to movie.  The first one he stopped at had Nigel
> in it.  Murder at 1600.  The next one had John Kapelos ....next a movie
> that had the man who played Schanke's best friend...in The Code.  Anyway
> thought that was all strange they should be on at the same time.....:)=


Just more evidence that there are truly only 47 actors in Canada   ;-)

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Date:    Sat, 17 May 2003 23:38:08 -0700
From:    Megan Hull <mistrydder@y......>
Subject: Re: the trouble with mortality

> Don't forget women in trousers!
>

Can you imagine the reaction to a mini-skirt?  Or
Daisy-Dukes?  Spandex?  Sundresses?  BIKINIS?????

        -Megan

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"Eternal nights too short,
How quickly melt away,
With all the love we shared once,
Forever in a Day."

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Date:    Sun, 18 May 2003 07:51:24 -0600
From:    Becky <beckp@i.......>
Subject: Re: the trouble with mortality

an astronomer  once    made the comment  that if there was ever a  massive
power failure  people living in the city would   probably be   frightened
by  all   the strange lights  they suddenly saw  appear in the sky.

This actually happened during a black out in California.  (LA I think)  The
people didn't know what the lights in the sky were.  Their local sky
observatory explained the lights were the stars that they normally couldn't
see because of the city lights.
Strange but true trivia.

Lightfoot


Don't cry because it is over, smile because it happened.

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Date:    Sun, 18 May 2003 15:46:34 +0200
From:    Doris Weiss <dorisweiss_2000@y......>
Subject: Fic question

Hi ,


In one of the eps Janette and Nick have a little talk
and she mentions that they have met the Marquis de
Sade. Has anyone ever written a fic about that
encounter?

Luc

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"Even eternal life is too short to wait for a table." - Uncle -

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Date:    Sun, 18 May 2003 07:54:12 -0600
From:    Becky <beckp@i.......>
Subject: Re: the trouble with mortality

Okay, so maybe it's a dumb idea...and i shouldn't have him
lose his memory????

No.  Always explore the possiblilities.  It might lead to great
new fan fiction.  It might show you a whole new way of understanding
our favorite vampires.  Explore.

Lightfoot
Don't cry because it is over, smile because it happened.

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Date:    Sun, 18 May 2003 09:52:21 EDT
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: the trouble with mortality

<< Okay, so maybe it's a dumb idea...and i shouldn't have him
 lose his memory????
 >>

This is FICTION, you can do what ever you want ;-) If having him lose his
memory makes for a better story - do it! If you decide keeping his memory is
the better story, do that. Or write two stories - one in which he does, one
in which he doesn't.

That is the great thing about working in the realm of  Forever Knight
vampires, etc. There are no set laws that have been "proven" by "reality."
Have fun! Go for it!

Libs

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Date:    Sun, 18 May 2003 14:09:08 +0000
From:    Amy Hull <amilynh@A.......>
Subject: Re: the trouble with mortality

> << Okay, so maybe it's a dumb idea...and i shouldn't have him
>  lose his memory????

It's certainly an idea that I've seen bandied about more than once since the
first season, and I haven't see much exploration of it.

Of course, if he regressed to pre-vampire-Nick, he also wouldn't speak English
(nor would even *Middle*, let along modern English have even *existed* at the
time).  One of the times that it was discussed, there was talk of how, to
communicate, they'd have to find a Classics professor who could converse in
Latin and hope Nick's Latin had been decent (possibly a stretch, but a
possibility).  I doubt there's *anyone* who speaks the Brabantian (Belgian?)
French of that time...and even if folks can read it, there's the question of
how it was really pronounced; we have guesses, but that's about it.  Questions
re: that would include finding out how much of that written language we even
have extant.  In Old English from around the same time, for example, we have
precious little (most was burned by the Norse raiders).

There is also the (more enterating) fish-out-of-water bit with things like
electricity, the Americas, computers, moon flights, microchips, plumbing, the
printing press...

I think a better story would incorporate all the fish-out-of-water elements but
focus primarily on the emotional reactions and consequences...Nick's an adult
with 800 years of catch-up to do and little understanding of why or
what...would he be *able* to adapt, or would it be simply too much?  Natalie's
grief would also be great--she has finally done for him what he wanted, but he
no longer knows that she had helped, that he had wanted this, what it was,
why...and the Nick she knows is gone *forever*; who he was after 800 years,
while maintaing, I believe, some essentials of the original man, is a totally
different person.  The references, shared memories, sense of humor, again
*language*...all gone.

Just my 2 cents or so.

Amy

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Date:    Sun, 18 May 2003 10:23:35 -0400
From:    Stephanie Kellerman <stephke@i.......>
Subject: Re: the trouble with mortality

Me thinks Natalie would have to ask LaCroix for help.  Why does this all
sound so familiar?

>I doubt there's *anyone* who speaks the Brabantian (Belgian?)
>French of that time..
>

--
Steph
stephke@i.......
http://www.fkvoyage.com

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Date:    Sun, 18 May 2003 17:09:57 +0000
From:    Amy Hull <amilynh@A.......>
Subject: Re: the trouble with mortality

> >I doubt there's *anyone* who speaks the Brabantian (Belgian?)
> >French of that time..
> Me thinks Natalie would have to ask LaCroix for help.  Why does this all
> sound so familiar?

You know, I only just now realized that the last time I had this conversation,
LaCroix was still dead...and there was no sense that that might change.  Huh.

Of course, in NiQ, the biggest difference is that Nick had the typical complete
retrograde amnesia where personal information was lacking, but skills,
language, etc., remained intact.  It was a brain injury amnesia, cured (or
primarily cured) by the vampire's regenerative powers.

If he were to become mortal and lose even the acquired skills and language
(again, that would be the choice of the writer), then it would be an entirely
different scenario; he would have a sense of self, a knowledge of identity, but
not the same identity as the person we met in the show (except in the f/b for
QoH and the flashes from a distance in DbtLotM, where we can see the obvious
personality holdovers).

I *can* see a writer having Natalie know that she *could* contact LC to
communicate with Nick, but being highly reluctant to do so, for fear that LC
would simply turn Nick again or do gods know what.

Amy

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Date:    Sun, 18 May 2003 13:08:07 -0500
From:    mclisa <mclisa@M.......>
Subject: Admin: Forkni-l Rules

Roses are red.
Nick's eyes are blue.
So are LaCroix's,
And Janette's, too

McLisa, beginning to see a pattern here.

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