FORKNI-L

FORKNI-L Digest - 30 Apr 2003 to 1 May 2003 (#2003-127)

Thu, 1 May 2003

There are 10 messages totalling 334 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Is This The Origin of Bloodwine?
  2. FTP site
  3. the trouble with mortality
  4. French (was Relationship)
  5. OT - posted with permission (3)
  6. YKYBR/WTMFKW
  7. Lacroix bear color? (2)

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Date:    Wed, 30 Apr 2003 19:12:09 +0100
From:    Kezia Hepden <kezia.hepden@b.......>
Subject: Is This The Origin of Bloodwine?

I was browsing through the ever fun 'About Urban Legends' website
(www.urbanlegends.about.com) (and if you've never been there before, make
sure you have all afternoon/evening to spare - it's great fun!) looking for
some info to disprove yet another email I'd been sent.... you all know the
ones I mean, the ones with the latest warning about not
buying/eating/drinking whatever .... when I came across a reference to blood
in wine.   Just as well I didn't have a mug of coffee by the computer at the
time, or the poor beastie would have been the one drinking it!  Of course, I
*had* to click on that link and read more!

Here's the text I found (which actually came from their sister site,
www.wine.about.com):

Blood in Troubled Wines

      You've heard the story, perhaps from BusinessWeek or another source.
Europe banned genetically modified crops coming from the US. In retaliation,
the US decided to ban wines that had blood added to them. Consumers panic -
what do they MEAN blood is in wine??

First, let's explain what blood was historically used for in wine, centuries
ago. Wine back then, just like beer and cider of the age, was extremely
cloudy and full of extra 'stuff'. To drag out the extra proteins, wineries
would use a clarifying, or fining agent. This agent could be clay, egg
whites, or yes, sometimes blood. The substance would fall through the wine,
attracting the proteins as it went. The resulting larger clumps could then
be kept separate from the wine.

In modern times, fining is used only on certain wines. It can be done with
egg whites, chemicals or inert clays. Most wine drinkers don't even think
about fining agents at all, since the material is removed from the wine long
before the wine is bottled. Fining is not used only in wine. Fining is also
done to many beer types, to keep the beer crystal clear and fresh looking.

This fining and clarifying is quite different than filtering. You can filter
but not fine, or fine but not filter. Filtering uses filter paper, usually,
and is done on a size-of-object basis. It uses the same principle as a water
filter does on a faucet.

        Is blood used in current times? First off, it is explicitly illegal
to use blood in both the US and France, and is extremely uncommon in other
countries. Most wineries would choose to use other agents, such as egg
whites. Bordeaux is known for its use of egg whites.


So drink your French wine without fear! Blood is not used, fining is
something done only to certain wines, and the fining agents are removed
anyway. Vegans might be concerned over the use of egg whites as a fining
agent, since some small amount of egg white might remain in the wine. For
most people, the use of fining agents is just one more interesting part of
the winemaking process to learn about and understand.

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(Sigh!  One more legend blown to pieces...)

Cousin Kezia

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Date:    Wed, 30 Apr 2003 19:11:49 -0400
From:    Stephanie Kellerman <stephke@i......>
Subject: FTP site

This is posted with McLisa's kind permission.

I want to move my fkvoyage.com domain to another ISP which would be
cheaper.  The only thing is they do not have anonymous FTP access.  I
would have to put the stories from the FTP site into directories on the
web site.  I want to make sure, though that everyone has web access.  Is
there anyone on the lists that only has FTP access and would not be able
to get to a web site?

Please let me know.  I want to do this by the end of this month  ( May
--not April,  <gr>)

Thanks,

--
Steph
stephke@i......
http://www.fkvoyage.com
ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/

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Date:    Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:30:36 -0700
From:    Megan Hull <mistrydder@y......>
Subject: the trouble with mortality

It suddenly occured to me the other day-- if a vampire became mortal, would
they even live out the week?  They don't have any of the antibodies to fight off
modern illness!  Like the Native Americans who came in contact with European
germs for the first time, they would be suceptable to every cold and flu out
there!                                      -Megan

"Eternal nights too short,
How quickly melt away,
With all the love we shared once,
Forever in a Day."

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Date:    Wed, 30 Apr 2003 19:32:25 -0400
From:    Debbie Clarke <dittany121@h.......>
Subject: Re: French (was Relationship)

>From: Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@A.......>
>
>I thought Nick sounded bitter, almost threatening. "I will repay you,"
>he says. He isn't grateful. He's vowing to get back at LC for turning
>him into a monster. And eventually, he does---he first impales him in
>that abattoir, and then runs him through with a flaming stake.

I  thought there a lot of conflicting  emotions ran through Nick's mind
after he  impaled LaCroix  in the abattoir.  Including   regret   ( he
touches the spike and seems to hesitate before he  decided to walk away and
leave LaCroix to his fate.  and I think  his flash back to  his  kissing of
LaCroix' ring is  a little ambiguous in its meaning.

The flashback is his not LaCroix's    We have to recognize that  Nick brings
  his own unique  bias to  how he remembers events.

  However  i do  agree  with you   by the time   Nick  runs  LaCroix
through with the flaming  stake he  has gotten over   any  regrets he might
have had .    He is also   quite justifiably  considering what LaCroix has
just done beside himself with rage.  .

Debbie Clarke

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Date:    Wed, 30 Apr 2003 18:34:27 -0600
From:    Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
Subject: Re: OT - posted with permission

This response is posted with McLisa's kind permission. --A.G.
~~~~~~~~~~~
My understanding is that since the Canadian Supreme Court's Delwin
Vriend decision, on 2 April 1998, it is no longer legal to discriminate
against anyone on the basis of sexual orientation. In fact, in 1998
all but three provinces already had that as part of their human
rights legislation, and as a result of the court's decision, Alberta
has revised its human rights laws to include sexual orientation.

http://www.datalounge.com/datalounge/news/record.html?record=2894

Here is a summary of the chronology of gay rights in Canada.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/indepth/background/gayrights.html

My reason for posting this not to dissuade anyone from signing the
petition-- Bill C250 is a good idea, affirming the Supreme
Court's decision and reinforcing it with parliamentary legislation--
but just to clarify the state of gay rights in Canada.

Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred

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Date:    Wed, 30 Apr 2003 18:13:24 -0700
From:    Emily <emilymhanson@y......>
Subject: YKYBR/WTMFKW

My Forever Knight moment of the day:

On another mailing list, someone forwarded a link to a Buffy article,
but the url and story were missing.  My first thought was that the
Enforcers must have gotten there first.  ;)



=====
Emily M. Hanson
emilymhanson@y......
http://www.starbase-eprime.us

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Date:    Wed, 30 Apr 2003 20:29:11 -0700
From:    Victor Roscetti <dragonslair_08060@y......>
Subject: Re: Lacroix bear color?

I would think that a LaCroix bear should be white,
because he's so pale and totally dressed in black.

  Vic Roscetti



=====

Dragon's Lair Studios has Forever Knight dramas & parodies on CD and Cassette!
Visit http://www.dragonsroar.com  for updates. New LaCroix poetry and speeches
at :  http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dragonslair1/  You can join my Yahoo group
for updates: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LaCroixPoems/


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Date:    Thu, 1 May 2003 08:25:42 -0700
From:    Laurie of the Isles <laudon1228@y......>
Subject: Re: OT - posted with permission

--- Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......> wrote:
> This response is posted with McLisa's kind
> permission. --A.G.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~
> My understanding is that since the Canadian Supreme
> Court's Delwin
> Vriend decision, on 2 April 1998, it is no longer
> legal to discriminate
> against anyone on the basis of sexual orientation.
> In fact, in 1998
> all but three provinces already had that as part of
> their human
> rights legislation, and as a result of the court's
> decision, Alberta
> has revised its human rights laws to include sexual
> orientation.
>
>
http://www.datalounge.com/datalounge/news/record.html?record=2894
>

Angela,

May I forward this to Rainbow Knights?


=====
Laurie of the Isles <Laudon1228@y......>
UF, FKPagan, NigelBennett, FKSpiked, Rainbow-Knights, FKFansHug
AIM: Laudon1965, ICQ: 173739497, MSNIM: Laudon1965, Yahoo: Laudon1228
"Before you criticize a man a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, you're a
mile away from him and have his shoes." -  Jack Handy

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Date:    Thu, 1 May 2003 08:29:51 -0700
From:    Laurie of the Isles <laudon1228@y......>
Subject: Re: OT - posted with permission

Rats!  I meant that to go offlist.  My bad.  I promise
to work on the premature posting thing.

=====
Laurie of the Isles <Laudon1228@y......>
UF, FKPagan, NigelBennett, FKSpiked, Rainbow-Knights, FKFansHug
AIM: Laudon1965, ICQ: 173739497, MSNIM: Laudon1965, Yahoo: Laudon1228
"Before you criticize a man a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, you're a
mile away from him and have his shoes." -  Jack Handy

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Date:    Thu, 1 May 2003 10:39:14 -0700
From:    Megan Hull <mistrydder@y......>
Subject: Re: Lacroix bear color?

I agree-- black on white is definatly most fitting for LaCroix.
-Megan

Victor Roscetti <dragonslair_08060@y......> wrote:I would think that a
LaCroix bear should be white,
because he's so pale and totally dressed in black.

Vic Roscetti


=====

Dragon's Lair Studios has Forever Knight dramas & parodies on CD and Cassette!
Visit http://www.dragonsroar.com for updates. New LaCroix poetry and speeches
at : http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dragonslair1/ You can join my Yahoo group for
updates: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LaCroixPoems/

"Eternal nights too short,
How quickly melt away,
With all the love we shared once,
Forever in a Day."

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