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FORKNI-L Digest - 15 Mar 2003 to 16 Mar 2003 (#2003-80)

Sun, 16 Mar 2003

There are 27 messages totalling 908 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. More Vampire Physiology (4)
  2. YKYBWTMFKFanfic...
  3. Nick Night/LA museum (2)
  4. New Ger movies (7)
  5. FK moment and question (3)
  6. Bringing across (7)
  7. Avenging Angel
  8. Fw:      Admin: Forkni-l Rules with address correction
  9. vampire physiology

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Date:    Sat, 15 Mar 2003 17:04:43 EST
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: More Vampire Physiology

In a message dated 3/15/03 10:54:17 AM Central Standard Time,
agottfre@t....... writes:

<< From DK, we know that only four things cause death to vampires (fire,
 *wooden* stake to the heart, decapitation, & sunlight.) Starvation is
 not on the list. So Divia would have been weak from hunger, but her
 "rescuer" was also her first meal! >>

In "A MOre Permanent Hell," didn't LaCroix mention what the lack of food
would do? That the younger vampires would parish, but the older ones would
linger on but what sort of life would that be? To me, that means that
although he *sees* himself as much too old and powerful to die, younger
vampires can starve to death.

As for Divia, I've always taken it that she was "much too much an evil brat"
to die." hahaha. Or perhaps she went into some sort of coma which allowed her
to conserve her life.

Libs

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Date:    Sat, 15 Mar 2003 17:44:05 -0500
From:    Bonnie Rutledge <llamababe@c.......>
Subject: YKYBWTMFKFanfic...

This weekend has been filled w/ opportunities for me to be reminded of
FK warfic. First, someone made a comment to me that my skin was
'cottony soft' (and had no idea why I would find that hilarious). Then
I had a chance to handle a .45 this morning. What make? Why, it was a
LLAMA!!

Semi-automatic llamas! What is this world coming to???

<waves>

********************************************************
Bonnie Rutledge<------------Omnifemale Llama!
Lily's Cool Aunt!... llamababe@c.......

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Date:    Sat, 15 Mar 2003 16:10:24 -0800
From:    Knight Ranger <knightranger1228@y.......>
Subject: Re: Nick Night/LA museum

--- Jeannie Ecklund <Gersknightlady@a.......> wrote:
<...In the NK video they use a museum in LA I have
actually been in and I enjoy seeing it.>

The museum used in NICK KNIGHT is the Los Angeles
County Museum of Natural History.  I used to work
there (before the movie was made).  They filmed right
outside my former office.  If you look real close, you
can even see my former office door in one of the
shots.

Knight Ranger



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Date:    Sat, 15 Mar 2003 19:22:16 -0500
From:    Debbie Clarke <dittany121@h.......>
Subject: Re: More Vampire Physiology

>
>agottfre@t....... writes:
>
><< From DK, we know that only four things cause death to vampires (fire,
>  *wooden* stake to the heart, decapitation, & sunlight.) Starvation is
>  not on the list. So Divia would have been weak from hunger, but her
>  "rescuer" was also her first meal! >>
>

But wasn't Divia decapitated?

Debbie Clarke

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Date:    Sat, 15 Mar 2003 20:27:00 EST
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: More Vampire Physiology

In a message dated 3/15/03 6:23:18 PM Central Standard Time,
dittany121@h....... writes:

<< But wasn't Divia decapitated? >>
Yes, but her father was also once staked and appeared to be a smear on a loft
door<g> Besides, once she was released, she lost her head in another way -
ROTFL!!! heheheh

All I have to say is, "Her boo boo got better."

Libs

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Date:    Sat, 15 Mar 2003 19:52:01 -0600
From:    Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@a.......>
Subject: Re: New Ger movies

Laurie of the Isles wrote:

> Okay, *Tracker* is getting released and we can't get
> Forever Knight?????  Anybody else royally cheesed off?

Yes, there is no justice in the world---or good taste. Tracker was
pretty lame. But I bet going to DVD was in the plan right from the
get-go, so they could rake in a few more bucks.

There's a special circle reserved for TPTB in Dante's Inferno...

Nancy Kaminski
nancykam@a.......

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Date:    Sat, 15 Mar 2003 18:06:22 -0800
From:    Viv <viv11374@y.......>
Subject: Re: FK moment and question

--- Doris Weiss <dorisweiss_2000@y.......> wrote:

> IMO Nick had the bathroom installed by some mortal
> company I guess and at least I would have found it
> rather unusual if someone had said to me:
>
> Do me a really nice bathroom but you can leave the
> toilet because I never use it.
>

Thanks so much. Now my entire family is telling me to shut up
and, thanks to you, I can't stop laughing.

=====
Viv

Don't annoy the crazy person

Life's a witch and then you fly

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Date:    Sat, 15 Mar 2003 22:51:35 EST
From:    Robin Tidwell <Robinchristine79@a.......>
Subject: Re: More Vampire Physiology

>>All I have to say is,"her boo boo got better".
     Libs

I don't know why, but this one really made me laugh! It made my night.

Robin

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Date:    Sat, 15 Mar 2003 22:53:59 EST
From:    Robin Tidwell <Robinchristine79@a.......>
Subject: Re: New Ger movies

This may be a little off canon, but does anyone else actually LIKE Tracker,
besides me???

Robin

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Date:    Sat, 15 Mar 2003 23:13:46 EST
From:    Jeannie Ecklund <Gersknightlady@a.......>
Subject: Re: New Ger movies

I liked Tracker.  The first episdoe I thoguht was terrible.  But after
finally realising that Ger wasn't really going to be in it that much I did
grow to like it alot.  they did some really good stories. Though the ending
was predictable.

Jeannie

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Date:    Sat, 15 Mar 2003 20:59:10 -0800
From:    FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@y.......>
Subject: Re: New Ger movies

Actualy, I thought Tracker was great. The only reason
there's no justice is that it went off the air just as
it was getting good. I'm actually working on a
crossover fic or two but keep hitting brick walls or
having to listen to the muse and tear them apart.

But there's still complaints about the DVD...that was
supposed to be all the eps, not just some. But I do
hope they get FK out on DVD.....and that I can get a
DVD player sometime soon.....then I could get all the
little extras. Video is beginning to look less
appealing just for that reason.

OK, I know, I know....I probably went slightly OT lol.

Mel (Tracker fan for life)

>
> Yes, there is no justice in the world---or good
> taste. Tracker was
> pretty lame. But I bet going to DVD was in the plan
> right from the
> get-go, so they could rake in a few more bucks.
>
> There's a special circle reserved for TPTB in
> Dante's Inferno...
>
> Nancy Kaminski
> nancykam@a.......


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Elivis"-Don Schanke
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Forever Knight-the show may be over, but the Knight is Forever

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Date:    Sat, 15 Mar 2003 21:22:03 -0800
From:    FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@y.......>
Subject: Re: New Ger movies

Sorry if that came accross as being angry at all....I
didn't realize it might appear that way till after I
hit the button. I respect everyone elses' opinions.

Mel (who was probably the reverse of a lot of others,
watching Tracker first then FK)



--- FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@y.......> wrote:
> Actualy, I thought Tracker was great. The only reason
> there's no justice is that it went off the air just
> as it was getting good. I'm actually working on a
> crossover fic or two but keep hitting brick walls or
> having to listen to the muse and tear them apart.
>

=====
"I'm outta here. Not only has the fat lady sang, but she's left the theatre with
Elivis"-Don Schanke
FK:NickNatPacker, Knight of the Cross Highlander: Duncan Fla-Waver
Forever Knight-the show may be over, but the Knight is Forever

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Date:    Sun, 16 Mar 2003 00:33:03 EST
From:    Jeannie Ecklund <Gersknightlady@a.......>
Subject: Re: Nick Night/LA museum

In a message dated 3/15/2003 4:10:41 PM Pacific Standard Time,
knightranger1228@y....... writes:

>  If you look real close, you
>  can even see my former office door in one of the
>  shots.
Kewl,  Thats such fun.  A movie called For my Daughters Honor was made in the
High school I work in.  They used my class room for the Science room.  I can
be seen rather breifly in the foot ball scenes.

Oh forgot to mention In Nick Knight Janette was weird.  She was kind of scary
and not sexy at all.  In FK Deborah oozes sexuality as Janette. She was a
much inporved character and last but not least Nigel made LaCroix an amazing
character.

Jeannie

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Date:    Sun, 16 Mar 2003 06:59:40 -0800
From:    Paffoman <paffoman@c.......>
Subject: Re: New Ger movies

Tracker is cool and interesting.  I love it.

Cheryl Pillsbury
Paffoman@c.......

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Date:    Sun, 16 Mar 2003 14:46:51 +0000
From:    "ezmee (Bec)" <ezmee@h.......>
Subject: Bringing across

OK, tried to post this before but had some trouble - now I can't remember
exactly what I said, but it was after something McLisa said about the
vampires LaCroix had brought across and Jack the Ripper being an accident. I
was wondering about the exact rules for bringing across in the FK universe.
I was under the impression that blood had to be exchanged. I know it's
important not to take to much, something LaCroix is always telling Nick. How
could Jack the Ripper be an accident - I'm sure LaCroix didn't give him any
blood. If it was just a case of not taking too much wouldn't there be more
vampire 'accidents' out there?
   Hmm remembering someting else now, when Nick had a dog (Raleigh?) and
LaCroix took it to the carouche, he told it not to take it all so the dog
would come back. Maybe I've got the blood exchange thing in my head from
other vampire fiction?
   Lurking once more to ponder...


ezmee            ezmee@h.......
Member of: Les Chevaliers de la Nuit
Merc
"...It's only forever,
Not long at all..."  -'Underground':Labyrinth [song]

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Date:    Sun, 16 Mar 2003 07:00:51 -0800
From:    Laurie of the Isles <laudon1228@y.......>
Subject: Re: FK moment and question

Doris Weiss <dorisweiss_2000@y.......> posit's Nick
saying to contractor:

> > Do me a really nice bathroom but you can leave the
> > toilet because I never use it.

Nick does seem a trifle constipated at times, doesn't
he?

:: runs from the knighties ::

<weg>
Laurie of the Isles
laudon1228@y.......

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Date:    Sun, 16 Mar 2003 08:15:52 -0700
From:    Becky <beckp@i.......>
Subject: Re: New Ger movies

I like Tracker too.  I was disappointed to learn it had been cancelled.

I am getting a feeling that TPTB are withholding Forever Knight DVD's
intentionally.  Whether holding out for more money from syndication or out
of spite, I don't know.  I wonder.


"Yes Virginia, there are Vampires."

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Date:    Sun, 16 Mar 2003 11:03:17 -0500
From:    mclisa <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Re: Avenging Angel

Oops. Yes, Sandra's right. I'd forgotten LC brought Tran across.

McL
> He brought over the Vietnamese Tran in "Can't Run, Can't Hide."
> --Sandra, forever Knightie

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Date:    Sun, 16 Mar 2003 11:18:42 -0500
From:    mclisa <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Fw:      Admin: Forkni-l Rules with address correction

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Date:    Sun, 16 Mar 2003 10:06:55 -0700
From:    Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
Subject: Re: Bringing across

Okay, here is my impression of the rules; there are two versions, one
for true vampires, and another for carouches.

VAMPS have to drain *most* of the victim's blood, but not enough to kill
them totally. Then, when the victim is dying, they have to drink some
vampire blood. If a newly-created vampire drinks human blood for the
"First Hunger", then they will be a "true" vampire, thirsting ever after
for human blood, and taking animal blood only in desperate
circumstances. However, if a newly-created vampire takes animal blood
instead, then they will thirst for that kind of animal ever after (in
the case of Screed, rats), but will also be capable of taking any other
species' blood, including humans.

CAROUCHES do not need to give the victim any of their blood to bring
them across; they just have to make sure to drain them until they're
totally dead ("lick the plate clean") or else the victim will live on as
a carouche. But this is very ambiguous, since there are both human and
animal carouches. If an animal was only partially drained by a vampire,
would it live on as an animal carouche? Or are animals safe from
vampirism inflicted by "true" vampires who fail to "lick their plates
clean"?

Your very humble & most obedient servant,
Ligeia

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Date:    Sun, 16 Mar 2003 10:30:06 -0700
From:    Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
Subject: Re: Bringing across

Okay, here is my impression of the rules; there are two versions, one
for true vampires, and another for carouches. Of course, there are many
examples of FK breaking or bending these rules (Alyce Hunter in DK,
Elizabeth in IWR), but they have been explicitly stated in various
episodes.

VAMPIRES have to drain *most* of the victim's blood, but not enough to
kill them totally (Fatal Mistake, Dead of Night). Then, when the victim
is dying, they have to drink some vampire blood (hence the need to not
kill them completely; corpses can't swallow). They will then awaken to
their new un-life as a vampire with a powerful hunger; they will take
anyone/anything to satisfy this, "wife, husband, child, lover"(?)
(Fever). If a newly-created vampire drinks human blood for the "First
Hunger", then they will be a "true" vampire, thirsting ever after for
human blood, and taking animal blood only in desperate circumstances.
However, if a newly-created vampire takes animal blood instead, then
they will thirst for that kind of animal ever after (Blind Faith?), but
will also be capable of taking any other species' blood, including
humans.

CAROUCHES do not need to give the victim any of their blood to bring
them across; they just have to make sure to drain them until they're
totally dead ("lick the plate clean"--Blind Faith) or else the victim
will live on as a carouche. But this is very ambiguous, since there are
both human and animal carouches. If an animal was only partially drained
by a vampire, would it live on as an animal carouche? Or are animals
safe from vampirism inflicted by "true" vampires who fail to "lick their
plates clean"? Can a carouche create a "true" vampire, or are they only
capable of creating another carouche?


Your very humble & most obedient servant,
Ligeia

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Date:    Sun, 16 Mar 2003 10:32:03 -0700
From:    Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
Subject: Re: Bringing across

Oops, sorry for the duplicate post; my virus checker told me this hadn't
been sent, so I edited it and then sent it. So delete the my first post
with this subject and read the second one.

Your very humble & most obedient servant,
Ligeia

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Date:    Sun, 16 Mar 2003 11:01:51 -0800
From:    FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@y.......>
Subject: Re: FK moment and question

Actually, I think there are times he'd use it. Didn't
he mention in one ep that he ended up spending some
time, as Schanke so eloquently put it 'praying to the
porcelain goddess'(I know that was from a different
ep, I'm just using it)after trying whatever it was Nat
told him to eat? Hm...or did I read that in a fic? I
forget.

Hasta la bye bye
Mel


> > > Do me a really nice bathroom but you can leave the
> > > toilet because I never use it.
>
> Nick does seem a trifle constipated at times, doesn't
> he?
>
> :: runs from the knighties ::
>
> <weg>
> Laurie of the Isles
> laudon1228@y.......

=====
"I'm outta here. Not only has the fat lady sang, but she's left the theatre with
Elivis"-Don Schanke
FK:NickNatPacker, Knight of the Cross Highlander: Duncan Fla-Waver
Forever Knight-the show may be over, but the Knight is Forever

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Date:    Sun, 16 Mar 2003 11:12:52 -0800
From:    Wolfy <wolfyknight@y.......>
Subject: Re: Bringing across

 "ezmee (Bec)" <ezmee@h.......> wrote:
OK, tried to post this before but had some trouble

it posted fine. I got it at least.... you didn't miss anything new...

 I was wondering about the exact rules for bringing across in the FK universe.

Now that, I really don't know the answer, but am replying because no one else
seems to have noticed the post, or got around to posting a reply yet....


I was under the impression that blood had to be exchanged.

And snice they do show nick taking from LaCroix that could still be assumed, but
then again, how could there be "accidents" then?

I know it's important not to take to much, <snip> If it was just a case of not
taking too much wouldn't there be more vampire 'accidents' out there?

Yes, That is said many times, but also, Take in mind that they have had it where
they would meet with someone, or keep someone, to feed off regularly, for a
time.. now if they did that, and it was simply, bite, drink, leave some in them,
then why didn't those "walking blood banks" come over after the first night? (I
forget what eps I am taking from, been too long snice I watched them...)

Well that is my .0000000002 cents.



~Wolfy Knight, GWDFC member, Ger5 attendee, LRFC Memeber,
Forever Knight fan, Dark Perk, ex-aol'er, Rainbow Knight, GenCon 2002 attendee.
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Date:    Sun, 16 Mar 2003 13:52:03 -0600
From:    CLone Star Software <cstar@a.......>
Subject: Re: Bringing across

At 10:06 AM 3/16/2003 -0700,Ligeia wrote regarding bringing across:
>
>VAMPS have to drain *most* of the victim's blood, but not enough to kill
>them totally. Then, when the victim is dying, they have to drink some
>vampire blood.

However, when Nick brings Nat's brother Richard across, Nick does not give
him any blood.  Nick drinks from Richard, the EKG goes flatline,  then we
see a single 'blip' after a moment and Nick indicates that Richard has been
brought across.

Another difference I noted is that when LC brings Nick across, there is an
almost immediate return to consciousness for Nick.  In the Nick/Richard
case, Richard stays unconscious long enough to be taken to Nick's loft,
placed in bed there and for Nat's sister-in-law, Sarah, before Richard
regains consciousness.

Also Jack the Ripper was brought across because LC almost drained him
completely and didn't insure that he was dead, due to the 'poisonous'
effects of Jack's blood.  That was the reason that LC wanted Nick to go to
where he'd left Jack, to insure that he was dead and wouldn't continue as a
vampire rather than a mortal.

Just my two cents,

Marci C.
cstar@a.......

>

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Date:    Sun, 16 Mar 2003 15:27:03 EST
From:    Michele Canterbury <Mobody@a.......>
Subject: Re: Bringing across

In a message dated 3/16/2003 2:13:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,
wolfyknight@y....... writes:

> I was under the impression that blood had to be exchanged.
>
> And snice they do show nick taking from LaCroix that could still be
> assumed, but then again, how could there be "accidents" then?

Its just my own little theory ... but in the case of Jack the Ripper ...
Being so evil, if someone attacked him, bit him, he might be inclined to bite
back, or at the very least fight for his life.  If he had a knife on him, (as
a barber or the ripper might)  perhaps he slashed Lacroix and drew his blood.

Michele

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Date:    Sun, 16 Mar 2003 13:00:56 -0800
From:    Viv <viv11374@y.......>
Subject: Re: vampire physiology

--- Nancy Kaminski <nancykam@a.......> wrote:
>  (We'll ignore the apparent change in fashion sense, as
> evidenced by the
> female detective who was brought across in Hunters <g>).
>

Umm...what? Did I miss that? What the heck are you talking about?

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Viv

Don't annoy the crazy person

Life's a witch and then you fly

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