FORKNI-L
FORKNI-L Digest - 14 Mar 2003 to 15 Mar 2003 - Special issue (#2003-78)
Sat, 15 Mar 2003
There are 33 messages totalling 1000 lines in this issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. Avenging Angel (8)
2. vampire physiology (4)
3. Dead (was Re: More Vampire Physiology-somewhat risque..sort of)
4. More Vampire Physiology-somewhat risque..sort of (9)
5. Reflection (was Re: More Vampire Physiology-somewhat risque..sort of)
6. YKYBWTMFK...
7. Reflection (continued)
8. FK Moment
9. Bringing across
10. FK Moments (2)
11. New Ger movies
12. How Would You Have Ended It?
13. Nick Night DVD
14. More Vampire Physiology
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 19:29:07 -0500
From: Debbie Clarke <dittany121@h.......>
Subject: Re: Avenging Angel
Her throat was cut so maybe that helped.
Debbie Clarke
>From: FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@y.......>
>
>In Nick's flashback, if the concubine was already
>dead, how could LC feed off her? Or was she just
>unconscious? And assuming her heart was still beating
>enough that he could feed, did he bring her over or
>just drain her? We don't really see...
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 19:43:36 -0500
From: Debbie Clarke <dittany121@h.......>
Subject: Re: vampire physiology
the problem of running water originated with Dracula and is not part of
the folk lore accounts from eastern Europe.
Van Helsing claimed that a vampire could only pass running water at the
slack or flood of the tide. St Germain had trouble passing over running
water but countered it by wearing shoes with hollow soles which he
filled with his native soil.
Debbie clarke
>From: FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@y.......>
>
>2. Does anyone think the FK vamps have the problem
>with free flowing water like some literary vamps? I'd
>think Nick could handle a shower or rain because it's
>not free-flowing. But what if he ended up in the lake
>or something like a pond or even a large swimming pool
>while chasing a suspect or something like that?
>
>Mel
>
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>
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:28:29 -0800
From: Knight Ranger <knightranger1228@y.......>
Subject: Dead (was Re: More Vampire Physiology-somewhat risque..sort of)
--- Cecilia Long <celong@m.......> wrote:
> And FK vamps, I dont believe are truely dead...
# I agree. I don't believe they are dead. In "I Will
Repay", Nick tells Nat that their heart beats once
every 10 minutes or so. It wouldn't do that if they
were truly dead.
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:33:53 -0800
From: Knight Ranger <knightranger1228@y.......>
Subject: Re: More Vampire Physiology-somewhat risque..sort of
--- Libratsie@a....... wrote:
> <snip> ...the argument of whether or not FK vampires
can have mortal type... stimulation with a human.
There's no right or wrong answer as it was never said
clearly in the series, thus is up to an individual fan
to decide.
# FK vampires can have fun with mortals. Case in
point is Janette and Robert in "Human Factor". Or is
this discussion only refering to male vampires?
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:37:32 -0800
From: Knight Ranger <knightranger1228@y.......>
Subject: Reflection (was Re: More Vampire Physiology-somewhat risque..sort of)
--- Libratsie@a....... wrote:
<In fact, did we ever see his reflection? I only
recall a little of that episode, but didn't he just
say he could "almost" see his reflection sometime?>
We did see both his and Lacroix' reflection in
"Curiouser & Curiouser". But, as most of this episode
is a dream, I don't know if that counts.
Knight Ranger
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:39:08 -0800
From: Amanda Berendt <debrabant_foundation@y.......>
Subject: YKYBWTMFK...
I got my weekly mailing from Moviefone.com and the subject line was
"Have you hugged a rat today? Willard has"
All I could think about was Screed and I am not a ratpacker by a LONG
shot. (Not that I ever disliked him, but I never got real fond of
him) Then I thought of Libs and was wondering why my FK mail was
going to my other addy. Finally I looked closer and realized it was
from moviefone.
-Amanda
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:39:11 EST
From: Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: More Vampire Physiology-somewhat risque..sort of
In a message dated 3/14/03 7:34:38 PM Central Standard Time,
knightranger1228@y....... writes:
<< # FK vampires can have fun with mortals. Case in
point is Janette and Robert in "Human Factor". Or is
this discussion only refering to male vampires? >>
Someone pointed that out to me after I posted, and I agree.
Plus, Screed and Vachon were apparently having quite a tumble in the stable
scene flashback in one episode or another. When Screed commented on "vino," I
don't think he meant the blood necessarily, as he prefers rats aka FEVER. I
think he was meaning the combination of sex and blood. In addition, there was
that wonderful "only life for a man, being a vampire" and mentioning no ball
and chain. Something tells me he wasn't refering just to having dinner. <g>
But the big "proof" is the Janette one. I would think if the women can, the
men can although of course there is a difference. But I think since vampires
do pair off, that the men would some how be able to please the female.
Otherwise, "sex" to Janette would have been biting, not something below the
neck.
libs
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:49:54 -0800
From: Knight Ranger <knightranger1228@y.......>
Subject: Reflection (continued)
--- Spaine3@a....... wrote:
<...Nick is clearly seen reflected in the glass
window of the interrogation room. Clearly, shiny
surfaces do reflect his image.>
He also has a reflection in "The Fix" when he looks in
the taxi window and sees that his eyes have changed.
But then, he was more a mortal at the time.
Knight Ranger
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 13:05:05 +1030
From: jennii35 <jennii35@i.......>
Subject: Re: Avenging Angel
I Don't think it applies to FK vamps
in the battle scene in "Night in
Question" Lacroix listened for
a heart beat, so he could feed.
Dot
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 19:00:01 -0800
From: Amanda Berendt <debrabant_foundation@y.......>
Subject: FK Moment
I was just watching some show on the History Channel about WWII and
they were talking about the Black Cat Squadron who flew night
missions in the South Pacific. They flew only at night in catamaran
planes painted black to bomb the Japanese merchant ships.
I began to wonder if Nick may have been part of that Squadron. It
would have been a way for him to fight on the side of the Allies and
still stay out of the sun.
Time to go to sleep so I can go to the orthodontist tomorrow.
-Amanda
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 19:24:25 -0500
From: "S. Babbitt" <sbabbitt@b.......>
Subject: Re: Avenging Angel
McLisa wrote:
>My interpretation, based on the LC we've all come to love/hate :), is that
>he didn't bring her over. We only know of three vampires he's made on
>purpose: Janette, Nick, and Francesca.
Don't forget Tran (major waste of a gorgeous vampire, that.) And what about
that evil-tempered female that was out to get Nick for killing her? That
was a classic LC practical joke. There was Don Constantine the Mafia dude,
too. I think there's at least one other I'm forgetting. Actually, I always
got the notion that LC was pretty cavalier about making vampires if it
suited some perverse whim of his (especially if that whim involved annoying
the dickens out of Nick), but that he was *extremely* choosy about which
of his fledglings were allowed to "join" the family (as were the three McL
mentioned).
Stephanie Babbitt
Vaquera (Because I Can)
Nobody Dies. Nobody Ever Died.
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:11:57 -0500
From: maja ha <majalady@m.......>
Subject: Re: Avenging Angel
Okay- I'm not familiar with the episode titles-sorry-
but what about the Vietamese young man that he brought over, who took vengence
on the U.S. Army men who shot down everyone in his village?
And what about the Blonde who wanted to stake Nick in the junkyard, in the
episode where Capt. Reese had to deal with guilt over shooting a kid?
Marci
----- Original Message -----
My interpretation, based on the LC we've all come to love/hate :), is that
he didn't bring her over. We only know of three vampires he's made on purpose:
Janette, Nick, and Francesca. Jack the Ripper was an accident, possibly
because his blood poisoned LC before he could make sure he was dead.
McLisa
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 23:52:57 -0500
From: allison <smilewithviolets@n.......>
Subject: Re: More Vampire Physiology-somewhat risque..sort of
i haven't seen this mentioned yet... In Baby, Baby part of Serene's cure
would be to sleep with the mortal man with the wacky chromosomes. In Human
Factor, Janette slept with Robert to become mortal. Nick and Nat talk about
trying it, but - of course - Nick is afraid he won't be able to control
himself when it comes to the salty goodness. It seems like carnal pleasures
exist but more so as a means to an end. i would think blood would be more
important. i apologize if these are points repeated or if i off the main
point of this thread.
As for reflections... i've always preferred to think that the vampire
himself/herself can't see their own reflection but everyone else can. It
almost seems that way because Nat asks him in that one ep. (where the
reflection is mentioned) if he can see it (or something to that effect, it's
been a while).
Allison
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if not clinically insane."
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 22:38:59 +0000
From: "ezmee (Bec)" <ezmee@h.......>
Subject: Bringing across
>McLisa wrote
>We only know of three vampires he's made on purpose: Janette, Nick, >and
>Francesca. Jack the Ripper was an accident,
This got me thinking, obviously in all the vampire law theres umpteen
different ways that humans are brought across, but what are the FK rules. I
know that the big one is don't take too much, something LaCroix was always
telling Nick, but I also assumed blood had to be exchanged, but I doubt
LaCroix gave Jack the Ripper any blood. Also if it was just a case of not
taking too much wouldn't there be more vampire 'accidents' around?
Slipping back into Lurkdom to ponder
ezmee
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 21:20:19 -0800
From: FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@y.......>
Subject: FK Moments
My mom went for an EKG as part of some routine tests,
but she said the machine in the dr's office was broken
and was giving flatlines. She said she told the nurse
something along the lines of 'I know I'm not dead' and
that the nurse said she'd be scared if she was talking
to her and didn't have a heartbeat. My first thought
was of Nat, Nick and the flashbacks in OtL. I actually
said to her 'Yeah, you're not like Nick.' She got the
joke and laughed.
I was thinking back to being in college the past
couple of years and it just clicked a few days back
the the numerical part of my student ID was 1228.
BTW, anyone see Secret Adventures of Jules Verne early
this morning? Wonder how long it took Nigel to get all
those marks and lines drawn on him. Good episode
(don't normally watch that show) and very interesting
character.
Mel
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 01:40:42 -0500
From: Sandra <nitelvr@v.......>
Subject: Re: More Vampire Physiology-somewhat risque..sort of
Libs wrote:
>In fact, did we ever see his
>reflection? I only recall a little of that episode, but didn't he just say he
>could "almost" see his reflection sometime?
We see his reflection in a dresser mirror in A Fate Worse Than Death
(I think) when he and Schanke are invesigating the death of the first
hooker. When he's going through her purse. We see his reflection in
the glass of LC's radio studio in Father's Day.
Besides, if he really had no reflection, I think some cop at his job site
would have noticed. Other vampires on the show have held jobs
among mortals too (Danny in Unreality TV) which I would think would
be difficult if they cast no reflections.
As for being dead, I don't think the FK vamps are truly dead. If they
were, none of the "scientific" things like "The Fix" and the "Fever"
would affect them. Nick himself says his heart beats once every ten
minutes ("I Will Repay"). Nick has sweated blood under stress. Why
would that be necessary if he was dead? Nick has eaten french fries,
spaghetti, soup and an apple in various episodes. Janette told him she
likes to mix her blood with a little wine. Nick and other vampires have
had visible breathing in cold weather.
As for functioning sexually, Erica in "For I Have Sinned" wants to be
run through with his "sword." I think there is evidence that Nick had sex
with Marian in "Blackwing." It sure looks like Nick is doing more than
biting Serena in "Baby, Baby." So I think the male vampires can
function, but have a strong urge to bite.
I think the vampirism on FK is a physical condition of a viral nature. I
also think that whatever causes the vampirism somehow "awakens"
latent mental abilities that gives them their special abilities of flight,
strength, hypnotism, etc. The only vampire that doesn't seem to fit this
mold is Divia. It's hard to explain how she survived so long in her tomb
without the aid of some metaphysics.
The FK vampires don't follow the traditional movie type of vampires
(they don't change into bats, wolves, or mist, for example). They are in
a vampire universe of their own with its own rules.
--Sandra, forever Knightie
--nitelvr@v.......
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 01:49:31 -0500
From: Sandra <nitelvr@v.......>
Subject: Re: Avenging Angel
McLisa wrote:
>We only know of three vampires he's made on purpose: Janette, Nick, and
>Francesca. Jack the Ripper was an accident, possibly because his blood
>poisoned LC before he could make sure he was dead.
He brought over the Vietnamese Tran in "Can't Run, Can't Hide."
--Sandra, forever Knightie
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 07:55:10 -0800
From: Paffoman <paffoman@c.......>
Subject: Re: More Vampire Physiology-somewhat risque..sort of
I too believe that Nick and Marion shared a moment. Maybe the males like
human males have stronger urges. Because on both only females reproduce.
The love that Nick and Nat share is beyond a sexual one which is nice to
see, romance and respect. I prefer the FK laws above all.
Cheryl Pillsbury
Paffoman@c.......
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 07:56:43 -0800
From: Paffoman <paffoman@c.......>
Subject: Re: More Vampire Physiology-somewhat risque..sort of
I think Lacroix said once in a episode which escapes me, that she's an older
breed of vampires. Think.
Cheryl Pillsbury
Paffoman@c.......
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 05:09:58 -0800
From: Patty Costantino <pas_20197@y.......>
Subject: Re: More Vampire Physiology-somewhat risque..sort of
Sandra <nitelvr@v.......> wrote:
As for functioning sexually, Erica in "For I Have Sinned" wants to be
run through with his "sword." I think there is evidence that Nick had sex
with Marian in "Blackwing." It sure looks like Nick is doing more than
biting Serena in "Baby, Baby." So I think the male vampires can
function, but have a strong urge to bite.
*****I think the episode, Baby, Baby provides the clearest example of male
vampires' abilities to function. Nick's flashback on the CN Tower, IMO,
produced a lot of evidence. And, in the flashback, after the encounter with
Nick, Serena initially thought conception had possibly occurred.
In Blackwing, IMO, it is a bit more fuzzy and left more up to the viewer as to
what actually happened. It's possible everything took place on the spirit walk,
not in reality. Marion's special healing abilities could have also
hindered...prevented a bite, etc... Maybe, it was simply a blood exchange. (We
see a mixing of their blood on spirit plane.)
********************************************
Patty, N&Npacker, Knightie
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 05:11:39 -0800
From: Amanda Berendt <debrabant_foundation@y.......>
Subject: Re: More Vampire Physiology-somewhat risque..sort of
--- Paffoman <paffoman@c.......> wrote:
> Maybe the males like human males have stronger urges. Because on
>both only females reproduce.
In vampires, either sex can produce a new vampire becuase it is done
through the blood (ie Lacroix and Nick)
As far as FK, vampires are considered sterile. Females cannot give
birth to babies, the only means of reproducing is by bringing a
mortal across and both sexes can do that.
-Amanda
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 05:21:34 -0800
From: Patty Costantino <pas_20197@y.......>
Subject: Re: Avenging Angel
Sandra <nitelvr@v.......> wrote:
McLisa wrote:
>We only know of three vampires he's made on purpose: Janette, Nick, and
>Francesca. Jack the Ripper was an accident, possibly because his blood
>poisoned LC before he could make sure he was dead.
He brought over the Vietnamese Tran in "Can't Run, Can't Hide."
**********Interestingly, LaCroix has eight offspring other than Janette and
Nicholas. (That we know of!) To find out who they are, you may want to try out
my LaCroix quiz. (Shameless plug!) <g> Good luck!
*****************************
Patty, N&Npacker, Knightie
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 08:34:27 -0800
From: Paffoman <paffoman@c.......>
Subject: Re: More Vampire Physiology-somewhat risque..sort of
true. Serena's belief was a myth, and sad for her.
Cheryl Pillsbury
Paffoman@c.......
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 08:36:54 -0800
From: Paffoman <paffoman@c.......>
Subject: Re: Avenging Angel
I don't remember seeing that girl brought across. I assumed Lacroix had a
snack and left. He was laughing at the situation.
Cheryl Pillsbury
Paffoman@c.......
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 05:35:50 -0800
From: Laurie of the Isles <laudon1228@y.......>
Subject: Re: New Ger movies
--- Knight Ranger <knightranger1228@y.......> wrote:
> I just pre-ordered some of Ger's movies on DVD and
> VHS.
> ALIEN TRACKER (a compilation of TRACKER episodes) is
> scheduled for release on March 18th.
Okay, *Tracker* is getting released and we can't get
Forever Knight????? Anybody else royally cheesed off?
Laurie of the Isles
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 09:03:50 EST
From: Robin Tidwell <Robinchristine79@a.......>
Subject: Re: FK Moments
When I got home last night my cat was having her kittens. I tried to stay up
with her, but eventually fell asleep beside her box. This morning, when I got
up, I looked to see what colors she had and saw.. A tiny, perfectly
whiteish-silverish colored kitten, and a slightly yellow kitten. The two
colors match perfectly with LC's and Nicks haircolors! I hate that I have to
give them away! She had four in all, but that was just the weirdest thing for
me to wake up to.
Robin
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 06:23:56 -0800
From: Laurie of the Isles <laudon1228@y.......>
Subject: Re: How Would You Have Ended It?
> Julia wrote:
>
> > <<I'm pretty sure I'm alone in thinking that the
> way the series ended was appropriate to both the
>premise of the series (
I'd never thought of it before, but I find I'm leaning
more and more towards Julia's line of thinking. The
The perverse side of me though, when it sees the
question "How would you have ended it?" wants
desperately to answer:
"With a bang, not with a whimper."
<eg>
Laurie of the Isles
laudon1228@y.......
"Wars not make one great." - Yoda
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 06:27:34 -0800
From: Laurie of the Isles <laudon1228@y.......>
Subject: Re: vampire physiology
--- FKMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@y.......> wrote:
>
> 2. Does anyone think the FK vamps have the problem
> with free flowing water like some literary vamps?
I don't recall any references to it on the show.
There is other vampire lore than TPTB didn't apply to
FK vamps: no turning into mist or bats or wolves.
Laurie of the Isles
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 06:33:04 -0800
From: Laurie of the Isles <laudon1228@y.......>
Subject: Re: vampire physiology
--- Elliza Rahim <relliza@h.......> wrote:
>...He and Lacroix are obviously more particular about
>appearance than Vachon?
I wouldn't say that, they just have a different
esthetic than Vachon does. After all, Nick did the
unshaven look for a while.
Laurie of the Isles
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 09:48:15 -0800
From: Paffoman <paffoman@c.......>
Subject: Re: vampire physiology
I don't think so, because I have seen Lacroix and Nick wet, mostly Nick.
Holy water, yes. Running water, they do shower, maybe.
Cheryl Pillsbury
Paffoman@c.......
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 11:25:14 EST
From: J L Kerr <Jlkerr1228@a.......>
Subject: Re: Avenging Angel
In a message dated 3/14/03 10:10:36 AM Pacific Standard Time,
mclisa@m....... writes:
> My interpretation, based on the LC we've all come to love/hate :), is that
> he didn't bring her over. We only know of three vampires he's made on
> purpose: Janette, Nick, and Francesca. Jack the Ripper was an accident,
> possibly because his blood poisoned LC before he could make sure he was
> dead.
>
>
Daniel.
~ J L Kerr ~
jlkerr1228@a.......
members.aol.com/jlkerr1228/
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 09:53:37 -0700
From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
Subject: Nick Night DVD
Well, I finally finished watching Nick Knight (the original 1989 pilot,
with Rick Springfield as Nick) last night. (It was re-filmed, with the
now-familiar FK cast, as the first two episodes of the first season of
FK, "Dark Knight" 1 & 2.) I had to stop several times because I just
couldn't handle seeing certain people playing roles that were cast
*much* better in FK. In general, I don't mind seeing different actors
doing the same role (love that Shakespeare!), but it does make the
differences in casting, acting, & direction much clearer.
The first time I shut off the TV was when the Janette character first
surfaced. Whoa! I've never appreciated DD's performance more. :-) The
fact that DD had improved the French lines substantially was quite
obvious, not to mention the fact that DD has more sex appeal in one of
her earrings than the actress in NK. I think, though, that the actress
in NK had the deck stacked against her: her costuming was horrible (even
though I like 19th century costume as much as the next lady, and the NK
costume was quite late 19C-ish), her hair was completely inappropriate
both for the role and for the dress she was wearing, and she seems to
have been directed to play the role quite coldly--bad call!
Compared to that, Michael Nader as LC was okay. Still didn't hold a
candle to NB's performance, though. Casting someone clearly older than
Nick as LC really made a big difference to this entire role, and again,
NB is/was the better actor.
It was fascinating to see the way that John Kapelos carried off the
Schanke role; no wonder he got it for the series, there were only small
changes between his portrayal of the role in NK and in FK, and they were
all of the "fine tuning" sort.
I kind of liked the male coroner character, but Nat just makes so much
more sense for the series. Ditto for casting Jeannie and Topper as
younger street people--enjoyed the older versions of them in NK, but
somehow they just seemed much more alive for me in DK.
It was quite interesting to see the differences between the L.A. setting
and the Toronto setting; Nick's loft in L.A. was more arty, but less
livable. I can't really put my finger on the difference between the two,
but L.A. in general seemed more fast-paced; more extras, bigger &
more-detailed sets perhaps? The L.A. police department felt like a
cookie-cutter of every TV cop show I'd ever watched (and I haven't
watched many recently); compared to that, the Toronto police were more
relaxed and, well, human. Oh, and my dh pointed out that Nick had fewer
problems flying in L.A.; when he flies in Toronto, we often yell things
at the TV like "Drop a shoe, Nick, and maybe you'll stabilize!" (He's
got a nasty yaw problem.)
The changes in the script between NK and DK were almost all for the
better; they really strengthened the characterizations of Nick and of
LC, and spent less time worrying about minor plot details. The end of NK
was much weaker than in DK; in NK, Nick gets out of the burning loft
without any need for extra blood, and instead has his damaged Caddy
restored to good health. The only thing I liked about the ending was the
introduction of Schanke's third cousin, Rudy Schanke, who has a true
genius for auto body work. Fic, anyone?
Your very humble & most obedient servant,
Ligeia
P.S. What do you get when you cross a vampire and an artist? Drawing
blood.
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 09:53:37 -0700
From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
Subject: Re: More Vampire Physiology
> if the concubine was already
> dead, how could LC feed off her?
My explanation: she was dead, but LC just wanted a light snack, so the
beating heart (to bring more blood to the neck) wasn't necessary. As for
feeding on battlefields, they are covered by wounded as well as dead
soldiers - witness LC's little problem in the Crimean war (NiQ). I don't
remember the exact context of the remark about Nick's homicide
assignment being "convenient", but perhaps that was because it could
give access to a steady source of human blood without Nick's needing to
actually kill the victim. 'Course, it would take more time to drain the
blood without a heart/pump to make it go, but it's not impossible,
especially with Nat's (presumed) co-operation. . . (insert light
sprinkling of Parmesan here)
>The only vampire that doesn't seem to fit this mold is Divia. It's
>hard to explain how she survived >so long in her tomb without the aid of
>some metaphysics.
From DK, we know that only four things cause death to vampires (fire,
*wooden* stake to the heart, decapitation, & sunlight.) Starvation is
not on the list. So Divia would have been weak from hunger, but her
"rescuer" was also her first meal!
I'm really enjoying this discussion.
Your very humble & most obedient servant,
Ligeia
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