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FORKNI-L Digest - 12 Nov 2002 to 13 Nov 2002 (#2002-332)

Wed, 13 Nov 2002

There are 21 messages totalling 591 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Oh, just a bunch of stuff (3)
  2. 1-800...? (2)
  3. John Kapelos on BOOMTOWN
  4. more Vampire Classes
  5. A few thoughts-Here's a couple more
  6. YKYARPW
  7. 1995/96
  8. Amenra part 6?????
  9. List mommy help
 10. YKYBWTMFKW
 11. ADMIN: To CorvaCXVI
 12. Vampire government (was: Re: more Vampire Classes)
 13. over and over and over and over
 14. human factor
 15. 1995/96 (was: Re: A few thoughts-Here's a couple more)
 16. Ribena (3)

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Date:    Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:28:45 -0500
From:    allison <smilewithviolets@n.......>
Subject: Oh, just a bunch of stuff

First, i did not get parts 6 or 7 and would like them.
Second, i was onlist back in 1995ish but my poor computer couldn't handle
the email volume - don't recall how long i was on for.  But, here i am
again.
Third, can somebody please clarify the roles/ages/b.ground/living status of
Larry Merlin, Aristotle, and Felix Twist - i'm always getting them confused.


Allison
Unnamed Cousin
Smilewithviolets@n.......
"So pale, so cold, so beautiful
if not clinically insane."

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Date:    Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:56:31 -0700
From:    Angela Gottfred <agottfre@t.......>
Subject: Re: 1-800...?

> I was watching Unreality TV with a friend the other day, and she asked
> a very good question:
> exactly *how* does one call the enforcers?  Do they have a hotline or
> 911 sort of thing?
Hmm, 1-800-THE-CODE?

> What would they do about stupid young vamps making crank calls from
> payphones?
Oh, they've got * forever* to catch up with them. You'd have to be
pretty stupid to annoy the Enforcers on purpose, and even stupider to
think that they couldn't find you.

> What about before telephones?
A system of courier-vamps and mortal stooges, each one flying all night
or riding all day to relay the message to the next courier? (the Vampire
Express!) And the speed and power of rumors (aka moccasin telegraph)
should not be underestimated :-)

Your very humble & most obedient servant,
Ligeia

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Date:    Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:08:45 -0800
From:    Knight Ranger <knightranger1228@y.......>
Subject: John Kapelos on BOOMTOWN

While watching "next week on BOOMTOWN", I saw John
Kapelos in the clips.  That means he should be on next
Sunday's episode.



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Date:    Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:38:27 -0800
From:    Janice Cox <jancox46@a.......>
Subject: Re: more Vampire Classes

I'm inclined to agree with Ligeia. While the Enforcers do seem to be
policing an established code of behavior, the FK vampire world itself didn't
seem real big on organizations itself. It was my impression that the
strongest ruled a territory--can you imagine a vampire coming to Toronto and
NOT making nice with Uncle? Heck, they may not even be that organized, I
don't know.

Which means that Enforcers must be *very* powerful vamps, to cruise in and
mete out punishment. And, of course, acting in numbers doesn't hurt.

BTW, my memory isn't all that good, but haven't the Enforcers we've seen
been physically more...pronounced..than your average vamp? That would be
kind of interesting, considering one of the things they're out to *ahem*
enforce is the Masquerade. (Whoops. Wrong vamp universe. But you know what I
mean.)

Janice

<<I always felt they were probably independent "death squads" myself;
free-roaming, responsible to nobody but themselves, and strong simply
because of their numbers and intimidation of vampires and mortals alike.
They are tolerated by the other vamps solely because they confine their
activities to enforcing the code.>>

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Date:    Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:28:04 -0800
From:    Janice Cox <jancox46@a.......>
Subject: Re: A few thoughts-Here's a couple more

Hi Aurora!

I was around back then, creeping out of lurkdom from time to time, generally
to inflict FK fan fic on the world. I dropped out for a while, but I just
couldn't stay away forever. Nice to see a familiar "face"!

::sigh:: I wish I knew what hold FK has over me. OK, I like vampires, but
that alone isn't enough to keep me interested in a series that ended so long
ago. There's just something about the coming together of (and more than
occasional conflict between) two very different worlds that appeals, I
guess.

In fact, I wish that TPTB had spent more time exploring those differences,
rather than episode after episode of Nick (sorry, Knighties) bemoaning his
fate and trying to become a real little boy--er, become human again. Apache
(among others) did some great fan fic stories that looked at how alien a
(for example) three hundred year old vampire would be, compared to your
average human. Could these two disparate groups ever really find common
ground? I know, I know, Nick *was* the star, and his desire to become mortal
was kind of a focal point, but it sure wasn't the one *I* was interested in.

And Vachon took off his shirt waaay too infrequently, dammit.

Oh well. At least there are tapes, reruns, and fan fic to fall back on.
Shows come and shows go, but FK remains near the top of my list. It must be,
to make me ramble on for so long.


Janice


<<Aurora Rose wrote:

I've been recently searching for some of the old people, I was quite
surprised to see that this list was still active.  Anyone still here that
used to be here back in 1995, 1996? >>

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Date:    Tue, 12 Nov 2002 23:00:39 EST
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: YKYARPW

You know your a Ratpacker when....

During voice lessons, your vocal teacher/coach suggests you do an exercise
that involves making mouse noises. Then, after singing "All I Want" from MY
FAIR LADY, your instructor asks where you learned to do such a wonderful
Cockney accent.

Dinna 'ave the 'eart wot ta tell the miss tha' weren't no Cockney way o'
vocalizin', I wuz doin' h'it h'in Screed Speak!<wRPg>

Libs

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Date:    Tue, 12 Nov 2002 23:17:37 -0500
From:    Marg <mytoronto@r.......>
Subject: Re: 1995/96

> At 12:24 PM 11/10/2002 -0800, Aurora Rose wrote:
> >
> >searching for some of the old people, I was quite surprised to see that
> >this list was still active.  Anyone still here that used to be here back
> >in 1995, 1996?

I signed up in late '94 or early '95, although i've been watching the  show
since the beginning. In fact it was because of FK that I got myself a modem and
started looking for other fans. i've never been a fan of any show for this long.

--
Marg  <mytoronto@r.......>
In Toronto, the City of the Knight

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Date:    Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:33:31 -0800
From:    Marilyn Teplitz <zeor1@y.......>
Subject: Re: Amenra part 6?????

Thanks to the kind souls who sent me Amenra part 6 - part 7 seems to be a
"to be continued when I stop laughing at Bonnie's stories." <g>

Marilyn v--v

--- Marilyn Teplitz <zeor1@y.......> wrote:
> If it did and anyone has it - could some kind soul please send it
> to me? It would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Marilyn

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Date:    Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:57:28 -0800
From:    Victor Roscetti <dragonslair_08060@y.......>
Subject: List mommy help

I'm sorry, I didn't know how else to contact you. How
do I suspend e-mails during my vacation?

           Vic Roscetti

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Date:    Tue, 12 Nov 2002 22:19:28 -0800
From:    "~Red~" <red@s.......>
Subject: YKYBWTMFKW

You know you've been watching too much Forever Knight when...

When looking up a cable customer, I accidently typo'd the customer's phone
number, and wound up staring at the account of "Lucien Lacroix".   Sadly the
account was inactive, but I think he used to have Showcase and the Space
Channel!

Red
(wishing the account was still active, and I could think up some plausable
excuse to call)
____________________
http://www.alligatorpie.ca

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Date:    Wed, 13 Nov 2002 03:23:35 -0500
From:    Don Fasig <argent@c.......>
Subject: ADMIN: To CorvaCXVI

Your e-mail settings are blocking some messages - including ones from me (hence
this public reply).

If you'd like a more detailed answer, check your e-mail settings and write me
again.

Don Fasig, FK List Gardener
argent@c.......    ---,-<@
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7139/fk-lists.htm - Subscription Help

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Date:    Wed, 13 Nov 2002 06:30:26 -0500
From:    Loreal <llavigna@n.......>
Subject: Re: Oh, just a bunch of stuff

Lary Merlin was the one whom I believe was the person to forge Nick's
identity in the computer system after the officer named Norma (with no last
name) discovers that he isn't in the system. No telling how old he is, but I
would suspect he is vary old.

Aristotle, the person to relocate all vampires of the world, well I would
guess that he is nearly as old as Janette or pretty close ot her age. Only
reason I feel this way is due to the fact that he is able to relocate vamps
and keep their identities hidden, keep them safe from anyone/anything
looking for them under asumd names, whatever.

As for Felix Twist, no telling. I don't know enough of him in order ot guess
his age but I would have to say somewhere a bit older than Nick, though not
as old as Janette, but he could be a bit younger but like I said before Not
by mush.

Loreal
----- Original Message -----
From: "allison" <smilewithviolets@n.......>
To: <FORKNI-L@l.......>
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:28 PM
Subject: Oh, just a bunch of stuff


> First, i did not get parts 6 or 7 and would like them.
> Second, i was onlist back in 1995ish but my poor computer couldn't handle
> the email volume - don't recall how long i was on for.  But, here i am
> again.
> Third, can somebody please clarify the roles/ages/b.ground/living status of
> Larry Merlin, Aristotle, and Felix Twist - i'm always getting them confused.
>
>
> Allison
> Unnamed Cousin
> Smilewithviolets@n.......
> "So pale, so cold, so beautiful
> if not clinically insane."

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Date:    Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:01:49 -0700
From:    Laudon1965 <Laudon1965@c.......>
Subject: Re: Oh, just a bunch of stuff

----- Original Message -----
From: "allison" <smilewithviolets@n.......>


> First, i did not get parts 6 or 7 and would like them.

Um, parts 6 and 7 of what?

Laurie of the Isles

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Date:    Wed, 13 Nov 2002 06:20:00 -0800
From:    Megan Hull <mistrydder@y.......>
Subject: Vampire government (was: Re: more Vampire Classes)

I don't know, I always thought they had some kind of loose government.  Remember
in 'Killer Instinct' (I think-- the one at the beginning of the second season
where LaCroix frames NIck), Janette comes to talk to Nick while he's in holding.
Nick asks her 'who sent you?', and Janette replies, 'the community sent me'.
That would seem to indicate that there is *some* kind of ruling force, though
LaCroix, once he comes back, seems to take over-- at least his part of the city.
Like I said, it would seem to be a loose orginization, and most of them just get
along within their own lives.  But then again, how many of us are personally
involved in politics?
Sorry if this is incoherent, but my best friend dragged me out of bed an hour
early.
              -Megan
 Janice Cox <jancox46@a.......> wrote:While the Enforcers do seem to be
policing an established code of behavior, the FK vampire world itself didn't
seem real big on organizations itself. It was my impression that the
strongest ruled a territory

"Eternal nights too short,
How quickly melt away,
With all the love we shared once,
Forever in a Day."

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Date:    Wed, 13 Nov 2002 06:28:32 -0800
From:    Megan Hull <mistrydder@y.......>
Subject: over and over and over and over

I realized recently that a dang lot of my enjoyment of watching my tapes yet
again (besides, of course, the fact that my friend is seeing them for the first
time) comes from all the stuff I've read on the list over the years: nitpicking
each episode, questions about culture and motive, "what *exactly* did he mean
when he said that?"  I've got a good memory for that sort of thing, and I love
watching for the little things in each episode that have been discussed, not to
mention trying explain them (and list culture and opinion) to said friend.

What I'm trying to say in my non-direct and rambly way, is THANKS EVERYONE!!!

                  -Megan


"Eternal nights too short,
How quickly melt away,
With all the love we shared once,
Forever in a Day."

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Date:    Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:34:45 -0500
From:    Mary Combs <mcombs@e.......>
Subject: Re: 1-800...?

Megan wrote:
> What about before telephones?  Did they, like, yodel
> or something?  I don't imagine vampires had much better
> communications than we did a hundred years ago.

A hundred years ago, the post for local alerts (if you lived in a big city
like London, you could get mail twice a day).
Then and other times:
Messenger (vamp or mortal)
Carrier pigeons
Pony express
Semaphore
Secret symbols marked on doors (like the hobos' cat face for "kind lady,"
only with sinister intent)
Writing on rooftops (visible only in flight)
Gossip
<gr>

Mary
mcombs@e....... N&Npacker

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Date:    Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:39:58 -0500
From:    Mary Combs <mcombs@e.......>
Subject: Re: human factor

Aurora wrote
> Having heard Ger speak on the subject, yes he did bring Janette
> back and he was quite surprised to find out that a lot of people
> didn't believe he had. He had thought it was really clear.

One of the problems with the first airing was that many of us did not see a
very important few seconds of film because some stations cut to commercial
early. This was the very end of the scene in the fire, when Nick rears back,
vamps out, roars and "chomps down" and out of frame.

So on that first airing, some of us only saw Janette saying No, No, and
Nick's distress, which confused the issue.

That "chomp" clinches it.

Mary
mcombs@e....... N&Npacker

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Date:    Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:48:40 -0500
From:    Stephen Lansing <phoenix348@c.......>
Subject: Re: 1995/96 (was: Re: A few thoughts-Here's a couple more)

<<At 12:24 PM 11/10/2002 -0800, Aurora Rose wrote:
Anyone still here that used to be here back in 1995, 1996?>>

***An old vampire dusts off the cobwebs of lurkdom***

I joined in 1996.  I had started watching FK in the third season ("My
Boyfriend is a Vampire" was the pilot episode for me), and was instantly hooked.

In fact the show hooked me so much that, after the rather ominous feel of
Last Knight, I was prompted to do something that I had never done before, and
have never done since:  I called the TV station and asked what the heck was
going on with the show.  They had no idea, but the lady I talked to seemed
curious about it as well and agreed that it was a good show.  Later, I saw a
letter Cindy Brewer had written to Starlog magazine about FK's possible
cancellation and wrote to her about the fandom (asking if the show
was really cancelled, on hiatus, or what...I had no net access at the time).
She directed me to FORKNI-L, FKFIC-L, and the fanfic site.  At the time, I only
had e-mail, but I got regular net access soon after and spent many an hour
religiously reading old fic.

Sadly, RL has banished me to lurkdom in the last couple of years, but I do
still read the postings, and am even working on some old stories as well (very,
very slowly though) when I have the time to do such nowadays.

I'm glad to see the lists still active though, and hope to participate more
as time permits.

Stephen Lansing
Phoenix348@c.......

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Date:    Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:45:04 -0800
From:    Amanda Berendt <debrabant_foundation@y.......>
Subject: Ribena

Hi-
For those new people, Ribena is juice concentrate that they used as
the 'blood' in FK.  They used the black currant flavor which is the
most common.
Anyhoo.... my local Shop Rite right here in suburban NJ has this
international food aisle and they have the 1 liter bottles of Ribena!
 I have been meaning to mention this for a long time but kept
forgetting.  I follow the instructions and correctly dilute it, but
of course I HAD to try it undiluted.  God I almost gagged.  It is so
sweet and sugary that it is disgusting.  I don't know how the FK gang
drank it over and over!
But even in a regular clear glass it looks like blood.  When you add
the water it looks more like cranberry juice though.
Just thought I'd share.
-Amanda

=====
"Dreams are portable - I carry mine with me"
http://operacellar.tripod.com/phantomslair.html

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Date:    Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:44:05 -0500
From:    Lisa McDavid <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Re: Ribena

Ger said in the first season that in one scene where he had to keep drinking
undiluted Ribena repeatedly, he did get sick.

The consensus on Forkni-l was that he meant the scene in Feeding the Beast
where Nick is already the worse for drink, sitting in a booth and talking
bitterly to Janette. If you look at the scene, you can see that his grimace as
he drinks from the glass and the way he says the next line could easily be
fighting back nausea. It's a tribute to Ger's acting that he used it in
character.

McLisa
mclisa@m.......

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Date:    Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:48:21 +0100
From:    Lorin <vachesang@1.......>
Subject: Re: Ribena

<de-lurking>

Hi all!  Still here, just lurking though as RL makes it impossible to
keep up with discussions...

I made this offer a couple of years ago, but figure it might be useful
again:

I can get Ribena in the smaller size bottles (half-liter I think), and I
can mail to the US pretty cheaply.  If anyone would like, I can check
out the cost for buying & mailing a bottle.  I think the total cost in
1999/2000 was around $5-6, but I don't know how much the prices have
gone up since then.  The bottles are plastic so they're not all that
heavy.  Mail me OFF-LIST <waves at McLisa> if you're interested!

BTW, I buy it for my daughter, and it *is* sickly sweet and has a
tremendously strong blackcurrant taste.  But diluted, it's OK.  Still
too sweet for me though!

Lor
<re-lurking>

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