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FORKNI-L Digest - 26 Oct 2001 to 27 Oct 2001 (#2001-325)

Sat, 27 Oct 2001

There are 21 messages totalling 628 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. FK Invades Subconscious (4)
  2. Halloween fic (2)
  3. vampire psychiatrists/psychologists
  4. Vampires and wisdom teeth
  5. question of the week
  6. Janette Ain't Misbehavin or Is she?
  7. Janette Ain't Misbehavin or Is she?  My apology
  8. FK Computer games  and Lemmings (4)
  9. More questions
 10. Halloween fanfic
 11. vampire limitations
 12. Religious symbols (2)
 13. How to shoot yourself in the foot... (PS)

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Date:    Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:19:10 -0400
From:    knightfangs <knightfangs@h.......>
Subject: Re: FK Invades Subconscious

I'll say it again:  Lucky.  lol

Grace

----- Original Message -----
From: "Laudon1965" <Laudon1965@c.......>
To: <FORKNI-L@l.......>
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: FK Invades Subconscious


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "knightfangs" <knightfangs@h.......>
>
> > Lucky.  My show, the one inside my eyelids, seems to have been cancelled
> > along with SciFi and the other stations.  Now I can't get FK anywhere,
> > but in daydreams and fanfic.
>
> I don't dream of FK that often.  I do remember the first
> one, in which I was *Natalie*, doing some very passive
> agressive things to get Nick's attention.  I really think
> my subconscious dialed the wrong number on that one.
> <g>
>
> Laurie of the Isles
>

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Date:    Fri, 26 Oct 2001 15:24:25 -0700
From:    Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: Halloween fic

> I am in a really festive mood this Halloween and I am wondering if there
is any fanfic that has a Halloween theme> -Amanda

Actual Halloween night or just plain spooky?  Hmm...
For actual Halloween I did 'Nightmare On Gateway Street. Lane. Whatever!
(Halloween Story)' and 'Nightmare at the NightCrawler's (Halloween Companion
Piece)'.

'Something Was Missing/ Incubus/ The Awakening' were actually the result of
a Friday the 13th Challenge, but are Halloweenish.

All can be found at the Comfy Cottage Library for 'Kyer'.
http://lavender.fortunecity.com/evildead/879/kyer.html

:)=
Kyer, kyer@p.......

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Date:    Fri, 26 Oct 2001 19:09:17 EDT
From:    Judith Lieberman <JudithL21@a.......>
Subject: Re: vampire psychiatrists/psychologists

Shadows and Ghosts is indeed a beautiful and moving story, as all her stories
are.
JudyL

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Date:    Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:09:56 -0700
From:    Emily <emilymhanson@y.......>
Subject: Vampires and wisdom teeth

Having gone through the experience late this afternoon of getting a
wisdom tooth extracted (3 more to come out next week), I wondered if
someone brought across in their early twenties would still get wisdom
teeth...or if someone was brought across with wisdom teeth, would
they ever feel pain?  Or are fangs just another type of wisdom teeth?
 <g>



=====
Emily M. Hanson
Home page - http://www.starbase-eprime.com
Web Graphics - http://www.galaxyofimages.com

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Date:    Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:11:47 -0700
From:    Emily <emilymhanson@y.......>
Subject: Re: Halloween fic

I wrote one last year, in which Nick proposed to Natalie at work on
Halloween.  It can be found at
http://www.geocities.com/hansone.geo/oldfanfic.html
The title is A Halloween to Remember.

=====
Emily M. Hanson
Home page - http://www.starbase-eprime.com
Web Graphics - http://www.galaxyofimages.com

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Date:    Sat, 27 Oct 2001 14:11:25 +1300
From:    Tracey Rayner <trayner@p.......>
Subject: question of the week

Hi everybody,

This weeks question is..... well actually there is no question this week,  I
know, I know ... I'm a slacker (not in the vaqueros sense, although I'm
beginning to show slacker tendencies <shudder>).  I'm right in the middle of
exams, so I don't have time for it this week unless someone wants to tell me
how I can pass, without bribing the examiner (or committing any other
illegal offence)
till next week then
ciao
Trace
_________________________
"I am what I am, and I don't think Betty Ford takes Forever Knight addicts"
http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/trayner/FKsite2.html
trayner@p.......

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Date:    Sat, 27 Oct 2001 09:23:24 +0800
From:    urtikit mindless <urtikit@m.......>
Subject: Re: FK Invades Subconscious

Laurie wrote of her dream:
> I think I *was* Nicholas, and I was with LaCroix
> on this train that seemed to be traveling through [...]

Dreams of trains?  Nick & LC?  Hmmmm.
You (Nick) & LC weren't, by any chance, smoking cigars,
were you?


Then again, sometimes a train is just a train.  ;-)
Kit
urtikit@m.......
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Date:    Fri, 26 Oct 2001 22:05:26 EDT
From:    WRDRR@a.......
Subject: Re: Janette Ain't Misbehavin or Is she?

Yo Eric,
We're off topic but no flame intended.  I suggest reading "The Female
Eunuch", still a classic, and checking into the infamous Blue Eye-Brown Eye
Experiment which enables all people of all races and genders to experience
what it is like to be on the receiving end of prejudice.  Suddenly alot of
the behaviors make sense.

 <<BTW, how old are these folks?   Might just be generational... *shrug*>>

Range in age from 20's to 50's --- I leave in the burbs.  I've been an RPh
for twenty-two.  The hospital thing was around '89.  The other episodes are
from the last two years.  There is an old saying in feminism that as men age,
they become more conservative.  As women age, they tend to become more
radical.  Guess for whom the status quo is working?  Certainly what I am
seeing in women my age, forties and fifties, is a lot of jumping ship
(divorce).  Most of them did the housewife thing, then ended up working
full-time on top of the house and kids.  They got married in the '70 -80's
and expected a partnership.  They woke up one day and realized that they were
just a maid and substitute 'mom' for their husbands.  As one of my
girlfriends said, "I have three kids already.  What do I need a fourth for?"
(not putting in work with the kids is the number one complaint, acting like a
child is the second as in not doing dishes, not cleaning up after himself,
not cleaning anything, etc.)  Men are more trouble than they are worth,
according to my divorcing friends.  He's just another mouth to feed and
another load of laundry to do as far as they can tell.  You just can't come
home from work and ask your wife, who also just came home from work, "What's
for supper?" every single day.  If you can put a roof over your own head, why
put up with some guy expecting you to be his 'mom'?  There's a real bag 'em
and tag 'em, use 'em and lose 'em attitude out there.  (A simplistic
assessment, I know relationships complex but this is what we're hearing, and
the guys don't deny the complaints, they just didn't think it mattered so
much.)

 And from young women, if you mean twenties and thirties,  I'm sure you are
hearing more guff than woman in my age group dished out.  On the other hand,
there are a lot, probably the majoriy of girls stilll getting the old
messages.  When I was looking for a new school for my daughter, I asked our
Catechism staff at our parish if they had any recommendations for me.  And
they agreed, "Well one thing for sure, we would never advise putting our
*daughter* in a parochial school."  This was the full-time Catechism staff at
our Catholic parish.  They considered the environment, based on their
experiences teaching Catechism at area public schools and local parochial
schools, as very damaging for girls because of the sexism.  This is one of
the most religious countries in the world, despite our material fanaticism,
and most religions are very sexist.

 << No, but I've had women do it... and either gender try cutting me off,
dismissing me, etc.  And women can be *just* as insulting towards men. >>

 Oh yeah.  There is a tremendous amount of anger out there.  I've sat in
rooms of women where the air was so thick with wrath I could hardly breathe.
Sometimes I think that my husband and I are the only happy couple we know
(but then I didn't read romance novels and he didn't play H.S. sports).
There are plenty of books on the subject of how men and women speak (stay
away from that Mars and Venus idiot, tho) most in response to women getting
into the business world and the problems they are encountering.  You might
want to check it before you do anything else (d$%^& it!  Just kidding.)

The language is different.  Women are brought up and use with each other
'weak, indirect language predominately.  Women who have learned to speak
directly, many took classes in how to 'speak like a man' so they'd have more
authority in business, have found it works against them.  We're back to the
he's authoritative and she's an uppity b(*&% thingey.

One woman is actually offering a course teaching business women to "tone it
down" and dress "like a girl".  She's gotten a lot of criticism for it but
she says she has been corporate thirty years and she knows that women get
slammed for not being feminine enough for someone's taste (and women are the
worst I swear.  You should see how the female nurses treat the female medical
students for getting too uppity.  Women treat 'successful' women like crap in
a lot of times.)

To add to the general horror,  you are also dealing with higher expectations
from women while most are still struggling with that whole "Be a Barbie, that
b*&^% has everything!" mentality.   There is also a common problem that men
are more likely to lose/abandon contact with their children so there are a
lot of hurt little girls out there looking for a daddy to buy them presents.
So there is a good deal of weirdness and confusion and belligerence.  Women
waste a lot of time competing for the attention of men and most young girls
are still being brought up to sell themselves off to the highest bidder.  I
saw a recent Seventeen article about what you should (basically) manipulate
your boyfriend into buying you for Valentine's Day.  Hey, that's the way it
has always been before, right?  AAAAACK!  *Everyone* has a long way to go.


Hey, I think I'm pretty much done running off the mouth n this subject.  I
always say, If you're a woman and you really want to live a screwed up and
disappointing life, read romance novels and Cosmo.  If you're a man, and you
want to read Maxim and believe every word.  My husband brings Cosmo home from
work sometimes and we got Maxim as a replacement for a defunct mag sub.  We
read them and laugh ourselves sick.  Who are these screwed up people?  But a
lot of people think this way.

 ><<Change Janette's taste in clothing to something less gothic, give her
 >blonde hair and you are starting to get very close to Urs...Would you
 >describe a blonde Janette wearing robin's egg blue as "bad"?  >>

*** And from this on, it's not my message in the quote. <g> FWIW, no, I don't
 tend to judge anyone by skin, hair, etc.  ****
That's great, but this is exactly the kind of patently insulting thing that
women hear all the time.  It really gets on one's nerves.

-----------(Besides, where do the current  metallic-pink-with-blue-stripes
hair colors fit into that range?)---------------
Ohh, don't get down on the multi-colored do!  My daughter's friends
 ask her, "Man, how do you get your parents to let you do that to your hair?"
 and she say,  " Let me?  Heck, my Mom pays for it!"   >>


Casting T. F. Stone  / Caddywhacked
read my FK book at ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/deangelo_wanda/
 and
V4S story
ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/virtual_season/by_the_book.txt
and yes, I'd appreciate comments.

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Date:    Fri, 26 Oct 2001 22:10:48 EDT
From:    WRDRR@a.......
Subject: Re: Janette Ain't Misbehavin or Is she?  My apology

All,
My second apology in 4 years!  I've gone amuck!  I just post a lengthy
message under this subject heading that was OT.  In the first line, I say I'm
posting it offlist because the discussion has strayed, ***but did I change
the addy in the Send to: box???  NOOOOOO!
As punishment, I will not respond publically on the list or privately
offlist, on this topic.
If nominated to speak, I will not answer.
If elected to respond, I will not hit send.
I sincerely hope it is another four years before I have to apologize again.

*** Yeah, I should have guessed I was talking too much..........
Casting T. F. Stone  / Caddywhacked
read my FK book at ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/deangelo_wanda/
 and
V4S story
ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/virtual_season/by_the_book.txt
and yes, I'd appreciate comments.

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Date:    Fri, 26 Oct 2001 22:27:25 EDT
From:    WRDRR@a.......
Subject: Re: FK Computer games  and Lemmings

LaCroix would definitely be into the god-games:  Sim City, Civilization,
dungeon master for Dungeons and Dragons.

But I think he'd get several hours of enjoyment out of Lemmings.  In that
one, you have to build complicated grid upward so your little parade of
lemmings can get from point A to point B.  If you don't get the grid up fast
enough, they march right off the edge of the plank into certain oblivion.  I
think LaCroix would build the grids up to juuuust short of point B and enjoy
watching the little rodents march happily to their doom while safety was just
beyond reach.

Maybe Screed would enjoy a few Lemmings.

Casting T. F. Stone  / Caddywhacked
read my FK book at ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/deangelo_wanda/
 and
V4S story
ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/virtual_season/by_the_book.txt
and yes, I'd appreciate comments.

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Date:    Fri, 26 Oct 2001 22:31:22 EDT
From:    WRDRR@a.......
Subject: Re: FK Invades Subconscious

In a message dated 10/26/01 1:35:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Laudon1965@c....... writes:

<< I have no clue what it meant.  I don't write 'em I  just watch 'em on the
insides of my eyelids. <g>    Laurie of the Isles >>

Okay, Laurie.  That's a good, Laurie.   (big reassuring smile as we all move
away on the group W bench.)

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Date:    Fri, 26 Oct 2001 22:44:01 -0400
From:    knightfangs <knightfangs@h.......>
Subject: Re: FK Computer games  and Lemmings

> LaCroix would definitely be into the god-games:  Sim City, Civilization,
> dungeon master for Dungeons and Dragons.
>
> But I think he'd get several hours of enjoyment out of Lemmings.

I don't know about that.  How much do you think LC would care about the little
creatures.

I think Lemmings would be a much better game for Nick.  Then again ite depends
on Nick's mood.
Lemmings isn't exactly the sort of game to be played when one is low on
patience.

Grace

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Date:    Fri, 26 Oct 2001 21:57:29 -0500
From:    Eve Dutton <umdutto3@c.......>
Subject: Re: FK Computer games  and Lemmings

>LaCroix would definitely be into the god-games:  Sim
>City, Civilization, dungeon master for Dungeons and
>Dragons.

All favourites of mine... I wonder what that says about me. *g* Ah, well. I
think I'd add Age of Empires to that list. And, dare I suggest, the Caesar
series? Or is that too much on the nose?

Eve.

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Date:    Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:28:23 -0400
From:    Brenda Bell <webwarren@e.......>
Subject: Re: More questions

At 11:22 AM 10/26/2001 -0500, Eve wrote:

>Also, on the reverse side, which one physical setback do you think bothers
>the vampires the most? Not being able to go out into the sun? Not being able
>to eat? Not being able to... enjoy other things?

Definitely the last. Why do you think they're all in such sour moods most
of the time?


Brenda F. Bell   webwarren@e.......   /nick TMana     IM: n2kye
Arctophile, computer addict, TREKker, stealth photographer...
         UA, PoCBS, FKPagan; Neon-Green GlowWorm
HugMistress of the Ger Bear Project http://members.Tripod.com/~TMana/
Gerthering 3 Photos:  http://members.Tripod.com/~TMana/gertherng/
Visit the Fiendish Glow at http://home.earthlink.net/~webwarren/glow/

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Date:    Sat, 27 Oct 2001 05:03:33 -0700
From:    Eric McCann <egmccann@t.......>
Subject: Re: FK Computer games  and Lemmings

At 10:27 PM 10/26/01 -0400, you wrote:
>LaCroix would definitely be into the god-games:  Sim City, Civilization,
>dungeon master for Dungeons and Dragons.


Or one of the all time fun-but-twisted games... Dungeon Keeper...

Someone was on SOMETHING when they made that.

-Eric

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Date:    Sat, 27 Oct 2001 06:53:42 -0700
From:    Laudon1965 <Laudon1965@c.......>
Subject: Re: FK Invades Subconscious

----- Original Message -----
From: "urtikit mindless" <urtikit@m.......>

> Dreams of trains?  Nick & LC?  Hmmmm.
> You (Nick) & LC weren't, by any chance, smoking cigars,
> were you?
> Then again, sometimes a train is just a train.  ;-)

LOL  Nope, no cigars.   That's one permutation I don't
think my subconscious would ever come up with, I can't
stand smoke. <g>

Laurie of the Isles

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Date:    Sat, 27 Oct 2001 11:36:06 -0500
From:    mclisa <mclisa@m.......>
Subject: Halloween fanfic

My The Werewolf of Toronto is about the weird things that happen when Nick
and Schanke are among the plainclothes officers who are sent to provide
security at the annual halloween parade.

It's on the ftp and web sites. I'm not sure I have a copy but plan to
download one for myself if I don't. Alas, I lost a lot of unbacked up but
already posted fanfic when my hard drive didn't survive a move.

 McLisa (Lisa McDavid)
"That will be trouble".
Listowner, Forkni-l and Fkfic-l
mclisa@m.......

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Date:    Sat, 27 Oct 2001 12:59:49 EDT
From:    MLCVamp@a.......
Subject: Re: vampire limitations

On sunlight limitations:

<< That would bother me the most:  you can't go anywhere that closes
 before nightfall (the mall, bookstores, the library) except for wintertime
 when nightfall comes before 6 PM.  During the summer you're very
 limited as to where you can go. >>

Where do you live?  Here in Annapolis (and every other city we've lived in
for the past couple of decades) all those facilities have evening hours,
usually till at least 9.  Not to mention the grocery stores, many of which
are open close to 24 hours a day.  Do you live in an area where the streets
get rolled up extra-early or so far north that the sun doesn't set until 10
in summer?  Now, it would have been a different matter prior to the 20th
century.  Banks actually kept "banker's hours," and most other businesses
probably closed at the end of what we still laughably call the "working day."
 No wonder La Croix, Nick, and friends embraced lifestyles of wealth and
leisure.  That's the only way they could have wielded the influence to
receive the "customized" service of getting tailors, etc., to come to them so
they wouldn't have to shop during the day.  Or, conversely, those who opted
for a Screed-type lifestyle existed on the fringes of society and didn't have
to worry about dealing with "respectable" businesses.  A middle-class vampire
would have had a hard time getting along.

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Date:    Sat, 27 Oct 2001 10:51:30 -0700
From:    Janice Cox <jancox@m.......>
Subject: Religious symbols

Hi gang--

Can some kind soul tell me if FK vampires are susceptible to religious icons
other than the cross? LC wasn't Christian by birth--did he dislike crosses?
There have been so many different takes on this question that I can't
remember which one the FK universe went with!

On an unrelated note, I've finally managed to complete my FK tape
collection! Whee! :-) I'm still looking for other stuff, tho, and am happy
to make tapes of FK eps or what have you in exchange. If you're interested,
please check out my want and have lists at:

http://www.coxwebs.net/jancox/tapes

Have a great weekend!

Janice


There's something very weird going on here...

Fan Fiction and Internet Humor at:
http://www.coxwebs.net/jancox/

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Date:    Sat, 27 Oct 2001 14:08:42 -0400
From:    Anne Terrien <aterrien@g.......>
Subject: Re: Religious symbols

>Hi gang--
>
>Can some kind soul tell me if FK vampires are susceptible to religious icons
>other than the cross? LC wasn't Christian by birth--did he dislike crosses?
>There have been so many different takes on this question that I can't
>remember which one the FK universe went with!

I remember Nick was hurt, or at least surprised, by some reaction his
vamp side had to the dagger in Blackwing.  Also, Divia mentioned
something to Lacroix about the Egyptian symbol on the sarcophagus
having some effect on Qa'ra (sp?), her sire, when they were in the
tomb.

Lacroix is definitely susceptible to crosses, I think we've seen that
in a handful of episodes.  I've always wondered if the logic there
was that he was born after the "birth" of Christianity or if it was
just a nod to cliche.

Nick's almost non reaction to the Buddah statue (as a religious icon)
is what always stumps me.

Anne

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Date:    Sat, 27 Oct 2001 10:19:56 -0700
From:    Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: How to shoot yourself in the foot... (PS)

From: "StormBorn" Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 8:33 PM> Oh, I forgot a
*great* way to get noticed on forkni-l:> Invent multiple personalities and
talk to them <points finger at Kyer and> runs away><j/k!>.

It's also a great way to pick up men!  : P

"So..." Kyer asked innocently in her 'Light Squirette' voice as she patted
her left escort's white coat, "What detergent do you use to get those so
nice and clean?"  Her voice then changed slightly as she turned to the right
flanking social worker and slyly batted her eyelashes, "Laundry,
smaundry---what's your sign, big boy?"

Or is that have them pick up *you*?    Oh well.

; D
Kyer, kyer@p.......

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