FORKNI-L
FORKNI-L Digest - 28 Mar 2001 to 29 Mar 2001 (#2001-102)
Thu, 29 Mar 2001
There are 29 messages totalling 853 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Pics sites
2. Strange FK dreams (2)
3. My new website
4. Questions about Cousins (2)
5. Webpage links question (4)
6. Welcome, Eve!
7. SCIFI.COM CHAT: NIGEL BENNETT, LEXX'S "PRINCE" (2)
8. Ben Bass
9. looking for xover fiction
10. LaCroix's view of fatherhood (3)
11. Anime North Convention in Toronto (5)
12. Morgue Maniacs (Eminems?), Schanke, & Screed eat cheese
13. Kyer, Kyer, Kyer
14. Admin: About the con rule
15. Cons (3)
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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:06:07 -0800
From: "K. C. Smith" <tigrlady2u@j.......>
Subject: Re: Pics sites
Thank you all, most kindly!!
KC Smith
tigrlady2u@j.......
Nick/Natpacker with Dark Knightie tendencies.
"I've never met a chocolate I didn't like."
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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:55:27 +0100
From: Linda Hepden <Kezia.Hepden@b.......>
Subject: Re: Strange FK dreams
> All this sort of stuff makes me wonder if there are abilities we once had and
> forgot how to use. Or if they are there ready for us to mature enough to be
> able to handle them.
>
> Judy
Oh, definitely! Just as long as you don't dream that LaCroix brings you
over in too fine a detail..... <VEG> Even a Cousin like me would be worried
about that one really and truly actually coming true....!
Wonder if Uncle has developed such dream powers? (Hmm... story idea?!
Sigh! So many story ideas, so little time to develop them.... Wonder how
many of my current idle story ideas could all be worked into one plot to get
them out of my sick little brain at once?)
Kezia
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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:51:52 EST
From: DanaKnight@a.......
Subject: My new website
I've decided to announce my new website before I get all the fic uploaded
because that might take forever. I tried to get all the 2000 fic up first so
that people could go there for easy reading for the awards. And for those
that are missing a story or parts of one.
It will have more than Forever Knight fiction on it. I'll keep working on
adding new stuff as often as I can.
The address is ::drumroll:: <www.1avenue.com/fkfanfic> and that is a one not
a little L in the address.
Nancy K, feel free to add it to your link page. When I get around to adding a
links page I'd like to link to yours.
Anyone else who wants to link to mine, just ask, I'll most likely say yes.
I'll probably be doing some asking myself, when I get my links page up.
Since I did the coding by hand, please let me know if you have any problems
and what you think of the pages themselves. It should work in both Netscape
and Internet Explorer. Some of the really early versions won't show the
graphics, but there's text to show you what's what.
Judy
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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:02:54 -0600
From: Christy Stillman <cstillma@u.......>
Subject: Re: Strange FK dreams
At 04:55 PM 3/28/2001 +0100, you wrote:
>Wonder if Uncle has developed such dream powers? (Hmm... story idea?!
>Sigh! So many story ideas, so little time to develop them.... Wonder how
>many of my current idle story ideas could all be worked into one plot to get
>them out of my sick little brain at once?)
Well, of course he has. Where do you think Addict Fantasies come from??
<VBG>
Christy
cstillma@u.......
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:18:40 -0500
From: "Vickiann E. Adams" <EmeraldCT@s.......>
Subject: Questions about Cousins
I was wondering if there is still a separate mailing list for the
cousins. I remember that before I graduated from college I was on a
cousins list somewhere.
Is there still a war brewing in the near distance?
Any cousinly information would be much appreciated.
Please reply to me off-list.
Thanks
Cousin Vickie
emeraldct@s....... Emeraldct ~ on AOL & AIM
"In this ever-changing world that we share,
only one thing is truly permanent ~~ ME !"
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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:27:19 -0700
From: Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: Webpage links question
Lisa Harvey's Cousins of the Knight webpage is at:
http://lavender.fortunecity.com/evildead/879/
:)=
Kyer, kyer@p.......
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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:43:00 -0700
From: Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: Welcome, Eve!
Ackphff!
Laurie of the Isles blasphemed:
> All that evil sounding "bwahaahaaha-ing", are you sure you're not a Cousin?
> <weg> Or better stilll, a Nunkies Addict in denial. [double <weg>]
Oh, c'mon, Laurie! You know that's just Dark Squirette waxing semi-evil.
The closest I come to Nunklehead...er...The General Nuisa...um...Nick's dad
is as a Cousin of the *Knight* [sounds of heavenly trumpets playing the
hallelujah chorus as Milord Nicholas' name is spoken]
(And everyone knows that LaCroix was just there for comedy relief. Those
eyebrows, don'cha know? Bwahaahaaha<choke, wheez>!)
Dark!
(What?)
:)=
Kyer, kyer@p.......
Annoying vampire daddys for three years and counting. My guardian angel
must either be on steriods or at the point of collapse!
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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:19:59 -0800
From: "Jan J." <jonesjan@g.......>
Subject: SCIFI.COM CHAT: NIGEL BENNETT, LEXX'S "PRINCE"
Just clipped this out of my Scifi.Com Newsletter -----
Jan1228
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
* CHAT: NIGEL BENNETT, LEXX'S "PRINCE"
THU - March 29, at 9PM ET*
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Actor Nigel Bennett also played Lucien LaCroix on the popular
-Forever Knight-, so this chat event has a wide appeal for vampires
and space-goofballs of all ages.
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* HOW TO CHAT:
To chat, visit http://www.scifi.com/chat/chatnow.html and join
#auditorium on the appointed date and time. Requires a
java-capable browser.
IRC USERS: Connect your chat clients to <events.scifi.com>,
port 6667.
WebTV users, see http://www.scifi.com/chat/chat.faq.html for
more information.
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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:36:18 -0800
From: "Nancy A. Taylor" <nat1228@h.......>
Subject: Re: Webpage links question
At 03:27 PM 3/28/01 -0700, you wrote:
>Lisa Harvey's Cousins of the Knight webpage is at:
>http://lavender.fortunecity.com/evildead/879/
THANKS, Kyer!
Nancy :-)
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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:18:06 -0000
From: Barbara Vainio <bevainio@w.......>
Subject: Re: SCIFI.COM CHAT: NIGEL BENNETT, LEXX'S "PRINCE"
> -----------
> Actor Nigel Bennett also played Lucien LaCroix on the popular
> -Forever Knight-, so this chat event has a wide appeal for vampires
> and space-goofballs of all ages.
>
If Sci Fi thinks FK is so "popular" how can we use that to get them to get
the reruns back on the air?
Barb
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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 21:17:57 -0400
From: "T. Floyd" <jflyer@b.......>
Subject: Re: Ben Bass
----- Original Message -----
From: <jmtof@j.......>
: From: <jmtof@j.......>
: If you're talking about the most recent ep with the Senator (who was
: mysteriously like Bill Clinton) that wasn't the ep he's in. I think
: you're confusing him with the Senator's aide (dark hair, glasses). Ben's
: ep just finished filming within the past 2 weeks so I doubt we'll see it
: air for several more eps.
Yes, that was the one I was thinking of. The whole time I was watching it I
thought that the glasses, eyes, nose, voice, and hair all looked familiar.
Oops.
LapLor
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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:35:20 EST
From: Javiette@a.......
Subject: Re: looking for xover fiction
In a message dated 03/28/2001 10:39:32 AM Central Standard Time,
Libratsie@a....... writes:
A friend of mine who is on-line, but not on this list, wanted me to ask if
there's any "Homicide: Life on the Street" cross overs with Forever Knight
I know you're looking for a cross over *story* but would Susan Garrett being
in an episode be considered a *cross over* with FK??? <G>
Rae
Javiette@a.......
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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:41:34 -0800
From: "David J. Duncan" <dante0220@y.......>
Subject: Re: LaCroix's view of fatherhood
Hi Everyone:
Thanks for the suggestions concerning the story.
(I have taken a quick read and will go back to
examine it in further detail once I finish this
draft! :) )Yes, I agree--there is definitely a
cyclical thing going on here. Stay tuned to see
what I do with it.
Thanks again everyone!
Sincerely,
David
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 00:43:47 EST
From: KnghtWtch@a.......
Subject: Re: Anime North Convention in Toronto
In a message dated 3/28/01 2:41:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, WRDRR@a.......
writes:
<< All,
If anyone is planning on attending the Anime North Convention in Toronto
March 25-27, I'll be there by Friday afternoon. >>
I just heard about ICon 20 and now the ANCoT this coming weekend. I wish
there was a way all the cons could be posted to the list so we could all
attend some of them and plug FK. The dates of cons always seam to be posted
to lists when it's too late to attend.
Any suggestions as to how we could get this news out to lists members a
little earier so we could make arrangements to attend??????
KnightWitch ;-]=
CaddyWhacker{first and foremost}, Die Hard, Ravenette with Enforcement
tendencies.
A Unique line of Forever Knight apparel is now available at:
http://hometown.aol.com/knghtwtch/index.html .....and.....
http://home.clear.net.nz/knightraven/pages.html
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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:52:36 -0700
From: StormBorn <smolly4@q.......>
Subject: Re: LaCroix's view of fatherhood
Silver <hi there! glad to see you on forkni-l!> wrote:
>>I think he would object to any kind of punishment that is based on loss of
control which is something I have a notion is important to him.
> Loss of control denotes weakness and is unforgivable.<<
(Sorry for not responding to this earlier, but I was up to my post limit.)
This led me to ponder why control, and the loss of it, is such an issue for
LaCroix. I came up with three possible theories:
1) Going with the 'we hate the weaknesses in others that we most fear in
ourselves' view, it could be that LaCroix disdains loss of control because
he fears that loss of self-control will either cause regrettable damage
(such as actually killing Nicholas) or that it will expose a vulnerability
to others. An old friend of mine used to freak people out because when he
got into a fight (and he got into a lot of 'em) he'd be *smiling*--he said,
"Never get angry when you fight; if you do, you've already lost."
2) He subscribes strongly to the Stoic philosophy, key points of which are
that it is your reaction to events, not the events themselves, that
determine your happiness and that one fares best by reacting the same to
either joy or calamity.
3) He simply believes that the emotionalism and 'scenes' generated by a
loss of control are a waste of time, and inelegant. My mother was something
like this: when angry she would just be completely silent until she'd calmed
down. I, being a talker/arguer/shouter, would get very frustrated. Her
viewpoint was, "What's the point? We'll just wind up saying things that
will hurt each other and we'll be sorry for later."
>>The pain caused in punishment, on the other hand, if it is inflicted for
"good reason" such as to teach a lesson (or to do "the right thing" as in
Divia's case), would be immaterial so it is the intention behind the
beatings that will make the difference between acceptable or desirable and
unacceptable and despicable.<<
That would reinforce Theory #2, the Stoicism. I haven't the tapes, so I
can't sit down and analyze them for LaCroix's motivation behind each
instance of punishment or violence. However, Les GS wrote an insightful
essay that's posted on the UF page and points out that in instances of
physical violence between LaCroix and Nicholas, Nicholas was more often the
instigator. Emotional 'violence' being another story...
I believe that LaCroix loves Janette and Nicholas and that what he does to
Nick is in the interests of either teaching him or steering him away from
what LaCroix views as a self-destructive path (and, as I said before,
LaCroix was right, IMO--Nick did wind up destroying himself).
Molly/StormBorn
Cousin, Ravenette, Dark Trinity, Seducer, Forum Fanatic, FK Pagan
NA Forever!
Abnormally fond of dead guys
smolly4@q.......
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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:00:40 -0700
From: StormBorn <smolly4@q.......>
Subject: Re: Morgue Maniacs (Eminems?), Schanke, & Screed eat cheese
CTFS (would you believe that after three years I *finally* figured out that
sig?! All I can do is groan...) gave us all a Limburger sandwich and
finished with:
> I hope everyone feels better, now.
Much of a muchly, thank you! Although, of course Schanke isn't dead...nor
Screed...nor Vachon, Tracy, Nick and Nat. But Divia, I'd like to believe,
is *permanently* toast.
Molly/StormBorn
Cousin, Ravenette, Dark Trinity, Seducer, Forum Fanatic, FK Pagan
NA Forever!
Abnormally fond of dead guys
smolly4@q.......
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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:15:22 -0700
From: StormBorn <smolly4@q.......>
Subject: Kyer, Kyer, Kyer
Kyer wrote:
>> The closest I come to Nunklehead...er...The General Nuisa...um...Nick's
dad is as a Cousin of the *Knight* <<
You're in denial, admit it! Otherwise you wouldn't have these
split-personality problems! (no offense to those actually suffering from
dissociative identity disorder)
>(And everyone knows that LaCroix was just there for comedy relief.
Ha! He was there so Nat could actually go on a *real* date to a nice
restaurant! So she could get roses instead of daisies or sunflowers. So
that there'd be one male in the vicinity who knew how to dress. So that
Nick wouldn't wind up committing suicide...oops, guess he flubbed that...
Molly/StormBorn
Cousin, Ravenette, Dark Trinity, Seducer, Forum Fanatic, FK Pagan
NA Forever!
Abnormally fond of dead guys
smolly4@q.......
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 06:31:12 -0500
From: Brenda Bell <webwarren@e.......>
Subject: Re: Anime North Convention in Toronto
At 12:43 AM 3/29/2001 -0500, KnightWitch wrote:
>Any suggestions as to how we could get this news out to lists members a
>little earier so we could make arrangements to attend??????
>KnightWitch ;-]=
Well, once one of us hears about, that person *could* ask for permission to
post the info (with appropriate disclaimers, if that person isn't on the
ConCom and thereby "official")...
...If enough folk are also subscribed to the forkni-l@y......., we
could post the info to the calendar there and send an alert message back to
the list(s)...
...One of us who is a dealer or a guest at an upcoming con might be able to
post that s/he will be dealing/appearing at said con without necessarily
running headfirst into listrules -- the earlier the better!
...Official Fan Club posts can be made about these, according to the
listfaq. (I'm not sure what policies the OFCs have about informing
nonmembers, though... I suspect it varies from OFC to OFC.)
Brenda F. Bell webwarren@e....... /nick TMana IM: n2kye
Arctophile, computer addict, TREKker, stealth photographer...
UA, PoCBS, FKPagan; Neon-Green GlowWorm
HugMistress of the Ger Bear Project http://members.Tripod.com/~TMana/
Gerthering 3 Photos: http://members.Tripod.com/~TMana/gertherng/
Visit the Fiendish Glow at http://home.earthlink.net/~webwarren/glow/
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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:59:43 +0100
From: IIIMMIII <lllmmlll@b.......>
Subject: Re: LaCroix's view of fatherhood
Hi Molly :-)
I think you are spot on with your three part analysis and that all three
parts come together in order to create that need to control. They all
strengthen each other and they are all threatened by emotions and emotional
involvements such as with Nick and his sister.
I think something to be born in mind about LC's motivations is that he was
*a general* in the *roman* army.
Whatever his childhood upbringing and whatever else, he gave the orders to
have people burned, tortured, whole villages destroyed, and so forth. When
he worked his way up the ranks, he fought in the wars and skirmishes and did
this stuff in person and may have been on the receiving end of it, too. It
is my contention that when he sees someone complaining of say, a toothache,
or a beating for that matter, he is going to view the amount of pain
involved *measured against* that level of suffering of which I don't think
we really have much conception if any at all, and judge it to be a minor
irritation at the most.
>> I believe that LaCroix loves Janette and Nicholas and that what he does to
> Nick is in the interests of either teaching him or steering him away from
> what LaCroix views as a self-destructive path (and, as I said before,
> LaCroix was right, IMO--Nick did wind up destroying himself).
Well yes. Dont you just hate it when mommy turns out to have been right <g>
But on the other hand and although he might have been right about his
outcomes, his means to achieve them weren't very successful. Still. The
man(ex-man) must have had the patience of a saint to put up with that
whining for 800 years. Either that or Nick was indeed the love of his life.
Silver
"Vires Per Virtutem"
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 08:47:46 EST
From: Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Anime North Convention in Toronto
In a message dated 3/28/01 11:54:10 PM Central Standard Time,
KnghtWtch@a....... writes:
> Any suggestions as to how we could get this news out to lists members a
> little earier so we could make arrangements to attend??????
There is a con practically somewhere (sometimes more than one) every weekend
of the year. Most of them have nothing to do with FK, thus would be off-topic
under the rules McLisa posts.
FK *is* plugged at many of them. I did so this weekend at MidSouthCon in
Memphis just by wearing a KtK t-shirt on Sunday, and jumping in whenever FK
was mentioned (my roommates also did this as I was working for my publisher
over the weekend and had to concentrate on promoting the comic I help write)
Libs
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 08:07:34 -0800
From: Lisa McDavid <cecily1349@y.......>
Subject: Admin: About the con rule
Don and I are talking about the con rule. Here's why
we have it in the first place.
It was initially put in place after a specific
situation several years ago. Deb Duchene was
scheduled to appear at a New Orleans con.
Simultaneously a man in Toronto was trying to organize
an all-FK con. This failed to materialize but in the
mean time, he seemed to think he could promote his con
by spreading rumors that Deb wasn't going to be at the
one in New Orleans.
Now, it is true that guests sometimes have to cancel
scheduled con appearances. The problem was that this
cancellation wasn't true. One lister who was a friend
of the guy's kept arguing onlist and spreading the
rumor, even after denials from the New Orleans con
comm chairman and from Deb herself via her fanclub
president.
While we're at it, here's why we have the fanclub-only
announcements rule. Someone connected with the show
-- I won't be more specific -- lost a later assignment
because a rumor that a deal had been signed got onto
the net as fact. The producers of the assignment heard
about it and thought the individual had done it to
pressure them. So, they went elsewhere.
The personal life thing is simple courtesy to fellow
human beings.
McLisa,
listowner, Forkni-l and Fkfic-l
mclisa@m.......
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:34:14 -0500
From: Lindy Cooksey <lindy@w.......>
Subject: Re: Cons
It will be hard to keep track of them if they are just sent to a list.
Perhaps a web page? If no one else does one, I can put one together later
today. I see just including the name of the con (with link to website or
email when available), dates, location, and if there's someone on the list
who's going that would want to co-ordinate FK promotion, their name (with
email link)?
I'm secretary for a Doctor Who club, and I get newsletters from various
other clubs and con mailings. If everyone would look out for happenings in
their area, we could keep a running list.
Whadda think?
Lindy :)
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:44:18 -0500
From: Portia 1 <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: Cons
Hello, fellow Whovian!
Portia
Forever Knight TV show <FORKNI-L@l.......> wrote:
I'm secretary for a Doctor Who club,
Lindy :)
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 08:48:27 -0800
From: Emily Hanson <emilymhanson@y.......>
Subject: Re: Anime North Convention in Toronto
How about a printed newsletter? The various Starfleet newsletters that I get
routinely post the dates of cons, both local and out of state.
What about an on-line PDF file? A link could be posted to Forkni-L once a month
or so, or whenever McLisa & Don approve.
--- KnghtWtch@a....... wrote:
> Any suggestions as to how we could get this news out to lists members a
> little earier so we could make arrangements to attend??????
=====
Emily Hanson
Main website - http://www.starbase-eprime.com
Web Graphics - http://www.galaxyofimages.com
ICQ# 73113057
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:39:05 -0800
From: Carla Martinek <copper6500@y.......>
Subject: Re: Anime North Convention in Toronto
> Any suggestions as to how we could get this news out
> to lists members a little earlier...
> ...If enough folk are also subscribed to the
> forkni-l@y......., we could post the info to
> the calendar there and send an alert message back to
> the list(s)...
when i last looked (sometime this morning) there were
100 +/- a few subscribed to the
forkni-l@y....... list. Please DO put it
notices like this up there, with appropriate early
reminders.
I have to apologize - I haven't done much of anything
on it, and it would be *really* great if someone could
help me get Cheryl's monthly VCR alerts up on the
calendar. Anyone interested in helping, email me
offlist, and I'll give you the details. I'd *really*
like to get that going again.
-Carla
copper6500@y.......
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:59:16 -0500
From: "Cindy L. Clark" <ClarkCindy@e.......>
Subject: Re: Webpage links question
Strange, isn't it, that *you* should be the first one to answer *this*
question? Or is this one of those know your competition/opposition things?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kyer" <kyer@p.......>
To: <FORKNI-L@l.......>
Sent: Wednesday,$March 28, 2001 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: Webpage links question
> Lisa Harvey's Cousins of the Knight webpage is at:
> http://lavender.fortunecity.com/evildead/879/
>
> :)=
> Kyer, kyer@p.......
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:11:16 -0800
From: fkforever <fkforever@y.......>
Subject: Re: Webpage links question
<<"Nancy A. Taylor Does anyoneknow of new URLs for the following sites?>>
Nothers' Homepage http://www.crosswinds.net/~fknothers/
**** note: the owner has been having problems w/ crosswinds
Light Cousin Homepage
****I believe this site has been taken down.. However AC Chapin has a
great cousinly pg http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~acc2a/fk/cousinly.html
Cousins of the Knight http://lavender.fortunecity.com/evildead/879/
The Unnamed Faction http://members.telocity.com/~siona/uf/
UF FAQ http://members.telocity.com/~siona/uf/
UF Poetry http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/1228/poetry.html
FoSiLs ******taken down
FoDs ******taken down
Merc Central www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Studio/1999/index.html
CaddyWhacks http://velvetdragon.com/caddy/
Disciples of Divia (DOD)http://www.primenet.com/~mefein/divia.html
Les Miserables (Nick and Urs faction) ???????
Knighties www.knighties.50megs.com
=====
Desiree
www.knighties.50megs.com
UFfer, UA, UT, NNpacker
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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:56:45 -0500
From: Lindy Cooksey <lindy@w.......>
Subject: Re: Cons
I put up a quick page with some cons listed in a table and just as a list. I
think either format would work fine. What do you think?
It's at http://www.geocities.com/geordiejohnson/cons.html
Lindy :)
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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:53:03 -0600
From: Lisa Luksus <tokaara@m.......>
Subject: Re: Questions about Cousins
At 05:18 PM 3/29/01, Vickiann E. Adams spoke these words of wisdom:
>I was wondering if there is still a separate mailing list for the
>cousins. I remember that before I graduated from college I was on a
>cousins list somewhere.
There are a couple at yahoogroups and one on Topica, but none of them are
active right now. The Cousins don't seem to be terribly chatty except in
times of War. I'm a moderator at yahoogroups for fkcousins and fkcousins1,
which came about back when Onelist and Egroups merged. I've also
established fkcousinswar at yahoogroups, which will kick in when War is
imminent. (I believe we've still got a couple of months leeway on that,
don't we?)
Cousin Tok
and the Cousinly kitties
tokaara@m....... / AIM Tokaara / ICQ 46441308
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