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FORKNI-L Digest - 4 Mar 2001 to 5 Mar 2001 (#2001-74)

Mon, 5 Mar 2001

There are 29 messages totalling 924 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. backing up sites
  2. YKYBWTMFK.... (or Songfic?) (2)
  3. Return of the Knighties
  4. Skin & Textiles (6)
  5. Skin and Textiles: Strange but true vamp laundry tip
  6. RV4S Insanity Huzzahs to Beth W.
  7. hi & re: joining a faction for War!
  8. Missing V4S parts (4)
  9. Max size of fkfic-l posts (10)
 10. Royal heights
 11. Off Topic--Ontario Cat lover needed

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Date:    Sun, 4 Mar 2001 15:32:24 -0800
From:    Susan Clark <sclark@b.......>
Subject: backing up sites

Hi -

I started lurking again on the list recently, and I saw a message about
backing up sites that you like. While I'm positive this was
well-intentioned, I think you should also make sure that you have the
permission from the appropriate parties to make backups.

I can't speak for others, but I've been a bit more careful about where I
allow things of mine to be archived since the plagiarism incident of a
couple years ago.

Anyway, just a thought from one of those with a site.

regards,

--Sue

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Date:    Sun, 4 Mar 2001 18:46:23 EST
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: YKYBWTMFK.... (or Songfic?)

In a message dated 3/4/01 1:24:21 PM Central Standard Time,
Laudon1965@a....... writes:

>  Nasty foul smelling little imps walled in
>  my muse months and months back, and they haven't let it free
>  yet.
The Ratpack dinna MEAN ta dew h'it, I swear!

Uhr... oh, you weren't talkin' about us?

Well, we dinna MEAN ta dew h'it  innyways!

Libs

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Date:    Sun, 4 Mar 2001 16:07:07 -0800
From:    Sunny LaCountess <countessa2000@y.......>
Subject: Re: Return of the Knighties

--- fkforever <fkforever@y.......> wrote:
> The Knighties website has returned!!!!!!

Thank you for all the effort. I never had a chance to
check out the orginal site when it was up back in 97
since I'm a forever knight child of the new millenium.
I'm happy that the Knighties finally got their own site.

=====
Countess -- Devoted Knightie, Immortal Beloved, Dark Trinity, with UF and
Enforcement tendencies

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Date:    Sun, 4 Mar 2001 19:20:17 -0500
From:    Brenda Bell <webwarren@e.......>
Subject: Re: Skin & Textiles

In two separate posts, Marel Darby wrote:

>...over the centuries the average height of the urban poor decreased,
>until in Victorian London they were several inches shorter than
>that of their Dark Age ancestors...

>...One of he Ripper's victims was nicknamed 'Long' Liz for
>her exceptional height....all of four feet, eleven inches...

Did this affected *only* the urban poor? We are taught in history class
that the "great" Henry VIII of England, so called for his great height,
stood 5' 0" tall. If this is the case, then -- at least in Tudor-era
England -- a 5'11" Nick and a 6' 1" Lacroix (estimating the actors' heights
here, I don't recall exact numbers, or if I've ever seen the exact numbers)
would have been considered giants... and it would have been rather
difficult for them to disguise themselves as normal members of society.

>  I said 'worse' in the past for a variety of reasons, although of course it's
>far from straightforward: the lack of medical knowledge; the poor treated
>with harsh inhumanity...

Not to mention the physically deformed, the mentally-challenged, and the
psychologically ill...

>...The [teenaged Herculanean] girl was evidently a slave since her bones
>provided proof that she had been half-starved and chronically overworked
>with labour too hard for her young frame...

This brings up another set of questions, which I expect will either go too
far off-topic or be too sensitive to be discussed here (but I'd like to
know more, so feel free to respond privately!):  if hard life, poor diet,
and unhealthy/unsanitary conditions caused the developmental decay of the
underclasses, is it possible that at some time during that arc -- perhaps
when the size differences would have been at their peaks -- that the
differences in stature could have been used as empirical evidence for
contemporary theories of the different *social classes* being... umm...
almost different *species*?  (Consider the Modreds and the Eloi of H. G.
Wells' _Time Machine_ as an example of this taken to extremes. Some
consider that futuristic society to be an allegory for the society of
Wells' Victorian England...)

Corollary Question 1: Would Lacroix have distinguished between different
social classes in any manner other than "they taste of poverty"?
Corollary Question 2: Is the portrayal of a Nick who is concerned about the
underclasses anachronistic -- or is it something we don't really see until
Victorian times, when social reformers (e.g., Dorothea Dix, Harriet Beecher
Stowe, Jane Addams, etc. -- can't recall any male social reformers at the
moment) became well-known, and social reform began to take hold?

>  This also illustrates the point which I was trying to make,
>obviously not too clearly, <g> --- the lack of control that most individuals
>possessed over their life/destiny until fairly recent times

Phrases like "Manifest Destiny" and "The White Man's Burden", "New Money"
versus "Old Money", and "knowing one's place" come to mind. Even today, one
can be as much constricted by one's birth as liberated by it (consider the
current Queen Elizabeth and her heir apparent), though the boundaries are a
lot less strict than they were a century or two ago.


Brenda F. Bell   webwarren@e.......   /nick TMana     IM: n2kye
Arctophile, computer addict, TREKker, stealth photographer...
         UA, PoCBS, FKPagan; Neon-Green GlowWorm
HugMistress of the Ger Bear Project http://members.Tripod.com/~TMana/
Gerthering 3 Photos:  http://members.Tripod.com/~TMana/gertherng/
Visit the Fiendish Glow at http://home.earthlink.net/~webwarren/glow/

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Date:    Sun, 4 Mar 2001 20:45:37 EST
From:    WRDRR@a.......
Subject: Re: Skin and Textiles: Strange but true vamp laundry tip

In a message dated 2/28/01 5:00:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, mcombs@e.......
writes:

<< I'm sure that Nick would be sleeping on linen, if only it weren't for that
 pesky laundry problem after a nightmare makes him break into a bloodsweat!
 Mary   >>

For those of you fanfic writers looking for a new and sufficiently bizarre
piece of trivial to add: hydrogen peroxide takes out blood stains - you can
buy industrial strength from a health food store and dilute it slightly OR
try OxyClean!  ;-)
Those of us who take shots regularly, often keep a H2O2 around to take out
those little blood spots from injections.  The question of how Nick clean up
his collar so quickly after dribbling abattoir blood all over himself in the
first episode is finally answered!  He always keeps a bottle of H2O2 in his
pocket for just such an emergency.
Casting T. F. Stone /Caddywhacked
read my FK book at ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/deangelo_wanda/

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Date:    Sun, 4 Mar 2001 21:06:53 EST
From:    WRDRR@a.......
Subject: Re: RV4S Insanity Huzzahs to Beth W.

In a message dated 3/1/01 9:34:15 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Beth_Washington@a....... writes:

<< Sorry for the confusion.  It's been a while.  I'm a little rusty...
okay... ALOT rusty!  Bare with me!  -Beth (completely insane)    >>

Everyone join me (offline of course) in thanking Bethmeister for going insane
on my and everyone's part in posting BtB while hiking uphill, paddling
upstream, and with a kid at home ready to upchuck.  ;-)

Casting T. F. Stone
Caddywhacked
read my FK book at ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/deangelo_wanda/

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Date:    Sun, 4 Mar 2001 21:13:21 EST
From:    WRDRR@a.......
Subject: Re: hi & re: joining a faction for War!

In a message dated 3/1/01 11:16:02 AM Eastern Standard Time,
fkforever@y....... writes:

<< Now for true reality the world of FK.  I cannot wait for War 11, my first.
  Now I have to decide what faction... decisions decisions????!!! >>

As an unattached person myself, I(I am exclusively a Caddywhack and we don't
play), I wait for the other factions to post notices scouting for willing
victim..., participants.  I joined a small faction in War 9 , in which case
you get to know a tight cluster of fiends, I mean friends.  A larger faction
has its merits - lots of experienced people who are organized and ready for
trouble.
Enjoy the moment - sort of like my sorority Rush Week!  Let them all tell you
why they are so great and you should make war, not love, for their faction.
Follow your heart - just like LaCroix does.

Casting T. F. Stone  /  Caddywhacked
read my FK book at ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/deangelo_wanda/

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Date:    Sun, 4 Mar 2001 19:13:26 -0700
From:    Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Missing V4S parts

What the heck happened to the posting of By The Book?
I received 1 thru 11 of the 16---and then it just stopped.

And is the whole thing still going to be posted on the 5th via the
www.fkfanfic.com link?

: (=
Kyer, kyer@p.......

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Date:    Sun, 4 Mar 2001 21:20:36 EST
From:    Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Missing V4S parts

In a message dated 3/4/01 8:17:16 PM Central Standard Time, kyer@p.......
writes:

> What the heck happened to the posting of By The Book?
>  I received 1 thru 11 of the 16---and then it just stopped.

Beth posted late last week that should would get as much posted as possible
before the weekend as she is posting from her office computer (or something
like that) and does not have access to it at home.  If she hasn't posted the
entire story yet (I have it on another account and haven't checked it), then
stay tuned for early this week. Please remember, the listserv will only allow
the posting of 3 parts in a day.

As for when it will be up on fkfanfic, that depends on if the siteowner has
time to do it, most likely. Stay tuned again ;-)

Remember, V4S is TOTALLY fannish volunteers.

Libs

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Date:    Sun, 4 Mar 2001 18:41:45 -0800
From:    Emily Hanson <emilymhanson@y.......>
Subject: Re: Missing V4S parts

I also only recieved parts 1-11.  I'm saving them until the
rest come through.  Hopefully they will!

--- Kyer <kyer@p.......> wrote:
> What the heck happened to the posting of By The Book?
> I received 1 thru 11 of the 16---and then it just
> stopped.

Emily

=====
Emily M. Hanson
Visit my homepage at http://www.starbase-eprime.com
Fanfic - http://www.geocities.com/hansone.geo/myfanfic.html
Message Board - http://wwwboard.net/bbs1/emilyh/wwwboard.sht

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Date:    Sun, 4 Mar 2001 19:39:18 -0700
From:    Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Max size of fkfic-l posts

I am about ready to start dropping an xover, but it is nearly 750kb in size
(according to my faithful MSWordPad)and I want to get it posted asap due to
the rumours of  impending War & Mayhem.

So just what is the maximum amount of kb that can be poked/crammed/shoved
into a single post?
Anyone know?

:)=
Kyer, kyer@p.......

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Date:    Sun, 4 Mar 2001 21:03:21 -0600
From:    "Nancy E. Kaminski" <nancykam@m.......>
Subject: Re: Skin & Textiles

> Marel Darby wrote:

> overnight.(One of
>  the Ripper's victims was nicknamed 'Long' Liz for her
> exceptional height.She was all of four feet, eleven inches, if memory serves.)

(putting on pedantic hat) According to "Jack the Ripper, the Complete Casebook",
Elizabeth Stride was about 5'4" or 5'5". FWIW. :-)

Nancy Kaminski
nancykam@m.......

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Date:    Sun, 4 Mar 2001 19:15:41 -0800
From:    Emily Hanson <emilymhanson@y.......>
Subject: Re: Max size of fkfic-l posts

I thought it was 300 lines.  I always use line count in
Word and keep it about 250 because I know some people's
e-mail accounts wrap text differently.

--- Kyer <kyer@p.......> wrote:

> So just what is the maximum amount of kb that can be
> poked/crammed/shoved into a single post? Anyone know?

Emily


=====
Emily M. Hanson
Visit my homepage at http://www.starbase-eprime.com
Fanfic - http://www.geocities.com/hansone.geo/myfanfic.html
Message Board - http://wwwboard.net/bbs1/emilyh/wwwboard.sht

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Date:    Sun, 4 Mar 2001 22:40:18 -0500
From:    Bonnie Rutledge <br1035@i.......>
Subject: Re: Max size of fkfic-l posts

Kyer wrote:

<snip> So just what is the maximum amount of kb that can be poked/crammed/shoved
> into a single post?
> Anyone know?<snip>

Oops. I was so certain this was 350 lines, which is @ 20K, but I checked today's
list rules and it says 300, which is closer to 18K.

Mea culpa, I've broken that sucker over a dozen times in the past year.

Your story'll have to drop in 40+ parts, Kyer. It'll take two weeks.
That's not just fanfic posting: a date or two with the listserv -
that's fanfic commitment!

<waves>

********************************************************************************
Bonnie Rutledge............<br1035@i.......>............Single and
Fabulous!
"I have seen the face of America at the passport office, and it's ready to
leave."
                       Gone to Nassau...Back in a week!

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Date:    Sun, 4 Mar 2001 20:33:18 -0700
From:    Laura R <larug@e.......>
Subject: Re: Max size of fkfic-l posts

At 7:39 PM -0700 3/4/01, Kyer wrote:
>I am about ready to start dropping an xover, but it is nearly 750kb in size
>(according to my faithful MSWordPad)and I want to get it posted asap due to
>the rumours of  impending War & Mayhem.
>
>So just what is the maximum amount of kb that can be poked/crammed/shoved
>into a single post?
>Anyone know?

As far as what the listserver can handle, well i've seen posts over 70 kb.
HOWEVER, as far as list etiquette/rules are concerned, try to keep
each part at or under 20kb.

Lisa's rules state:
At 1:09 PM -0500 3/4/01, mclisa wrote:
>8. No more than three parts of a story may be posted in 24 hours. Parts
> must not be more than 300 lines.
--
Laura Ruggiero  <larug@e.......> <SCA name: Thalia Lavalle>
"Men are from earth. Women are from earth. Deal with it."

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Date:    Sun, 4 Mar 2001 22:43:49 -0500
From:    Brenda Bell <webwarren@e.......>
Subject: Re: Max size of fkfic-l posts

At 07:39 PM 3/4/2001 -0700, Kyer asked:

>So just what is the maximum amount of kb that can be poked/crammed/shoved
>into a single post?
>Anyone know?

 From the FKFIC-L list rules:

> > 8. No more than three parts of a story may be posted in 24 hours. Parts
> > must not be more than 300 lines.

A "line" in computer-ese is generally 72 characters, less the carriage
return and line feed (DOS uses both characters to signify end-of-line)...
in other words, figure 70 characters, including spaces (spaces are
characters, too!) IIRC, 1 character = 1 byte. So subtract from the 300 line
maximum the number of lines you need for the part header and footer. For
example, a story part that begins with:

1       XOVER: My Crossover Fanfic (3/n)
2       How Lacroix Got Creamed
3
4       By Reddi Whip
5
6       Disclaimers in Part 1.
7
8       ***Part 3***
9
         "Gotcha!" said Natalie, depressing the nozzle on the can in
         the ancient's general direction (not to be confused with the
         ancient General's nuisance!)...

and ends with:

10      ***End Part 3***
11
12      Direct all praise and comments to:
13              k00lwh1p@w.......
14      Flames cheerfully disregarded
15
16      Creme Chantilly
17      <k00lwh1p@w.......>
18      NNP, UF, UT, PIA, and all-around dairy lover
19
20      Visit my Web site at  whipme.dairy.bug/~k00lwh1p/N20.html

(line numbers inserted for counting convenience)

would have 300 - 20 = 280 lines available for the story. Multiply 70
characters by 280 lines and you get 19,600 -- about 19kb for the story.

The maximum size of a story post should therefore be (70 characters per
line by 300 lines equals) 21,000 bytes, or just a touch more than 20kb.

You can, of course, break off a story part earlier and increase the number
of parts, depending upon the natural breaks in the narration. This is,
IMNSHO, a much better idea than cutting off a story part in the middle of a
dialog, for example.


Brenda F. Bell   webwarren@e.......   /nick TMana     IM: n2kye
Arctophile, computer addict, TREKker, stealth photographer...
         UA, PoCBS, FKPagan; Neon-Green GlowWorm
HugMistress of the Ger Bear Project http://members.Tripod.com/~TMana/
Gerthering 3 Photos:  http://members.Tripod.com/~TMana/gertherng/
Visit the Fiendish Glow at http://home.earthlink.net/~webwarren/glow/

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Date:    Sun, 4 Mar 2001 22:56:03 EST
From:    SFryar@a.......
Subject: Re: Max size of fkfic-l posts

In a message dated 01-03-04 22:45:25 EST, Brenda writes:

> The maximum size of a story post should therefore be (70 characters per
>  line by 300 lines equals) 21,000 bytes, or just a touch more than 20kb.
>
>  You can, of course, break off a story part earlier and increase the number
>  of parts, depending upon the natural breaks in the narration. This is,
>  IMNSHO, a much better idea than cutting off a story part in the middle of a
>  dialog, for example.

When I wrote "In Another Life", I tried to keep this rule in mind when I was
writing the story, but occasionally I may have missed a line or two, and I
tried not to break off the story in the middle of a piece of dialogue, but I
tried to look for natural breaks in the narrative which resulted in a 48
chapter story, which is much longer than the stories that I usually write.
The other stories that I'm working on are shaping up to be about as long as
"In Another Life" was, if not a little bit longer.

It's not always easy to keep within the line limit, but I do my best...

Peace!
StephiLyn

"If there's no great glorious end to all this, if nothing we do matters, then
all that matters is what we do. . . .  Because, if there isn't any bigger
meaning, then the smallest act of kindness is the greatest thing in the
world."
                           Angel---"Epiphany"

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Date:    Sun, 4 Mar 2001 23:39:39 EST
From:    Laudon1965@a.......
Subject: Re: YKYBWTMFK.... (or Songfic?)

In a message dated 3/4/01 4:46:58 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
Libratsie@a....... writes:

<< The Ratpack dinna MEAN ta dew h'it, I swear!
 Uhr... oh, you weren't talkin' about us?
 Well, we dinna MEAN ta dew h'it  innyways! >>

Oh, I'd never accuse the Ratpack of blocking in my muse.

Trying to hock it yes, but not blocking it in. <g>

Laurie of the Isles

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Date:    Sun, 4 Mar 2001 23:36:14 -0500
From:    g4akl@c.......
Subject: Re: Max size of fkfic-l posts

At 10:43 PM 3/4/01 -0500, Brenda wrote as a fic example:
>XOVER:  <snip>  How Lacroix Got Creamed     By Reddi Whip
>         "Gotcha!" said Natalie, depressing the nozzle on the can in
>         the ancient's general direction (not to be confused with

LOL. You should finish this and post it to fanfic, imho.

Arletta

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Date:    Sun, 4 Mar 2001 21:55:25 -0700
From:    Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: Max size of fkfic-l posts

> Your story'll have to drop in 40+ parts, Kyer. It'll take two weeks.
> That's not just fanfic posting: a date or two with the listserv -
> that's fanfic commitment!

And lots more advice of that ilk.

Kyer is bugged eyed.

(I *knew* I should'a stopped this monster at 50kb!  Glares intensely at
Andrew and Nicholas whom started the whole fiasco.  This is *your* guys
faults!  Stupid, angsty angels and vampires complicating my life!)

Okay...when you say 20kb, is that 20kb as the Wordpad doc runs or as the
sent mail doc does?

Kyer just feels like running, 'cause she thinks she may have run over that
amount a time or two herself.  <cringe>  Sorry, ListMommy!

kyer@p.......

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Date:    Sun, 4 Mar 2001 22:33:04 -0700
From:    Molly Schneider <smolly4@q.......>
Subject: Re: Skin & Textiles

Nancy Kaminski wrote:
>> (putting on pedantic hat) According to "Jack the Ripper, the Complete
Casebook", Elizabeth Stride was about 5'4" or 5'5". FWIW. :-)<<

Yippee! I'm tall, I really am tall! <g>

and Brenda Bell wrote:
>>We are taught in history class that the "great" Henry VIII of England, so
called for his great height, stood 5' 0" tall. <snip> a 5'11" Nick and a
6' 1" Lacroix <snip> would have been considered giants... and it would have
been rather difficult for them to disguise themselves as normal members of
society.<<

Something I read in a clothing-history book really stuck with me: that the
clothes of Elizabeth I would barely fit a modern 12-year-old. I think even in
their mortal lifetimes Nick and LaCroix would have been considered giants.
Brenda also had some interesting points to make regarding the viewpoint of the
upper classes towards the lower classes and a question which really set me
pondering:

>>Corollary Question 1: Would Lacroix have distinguished between different
social classes in any manner other than "they taste of poverty"?<<

Hmmn. The 'taste of poverty' is what strikes me. Does he refer to nutritional
differences or emotional differences (despair and hopelessness, for example)? I
think LaCroix is pretty much a fatalist and subscribes to the 'everyone in
their place' idea, which is why he sees such a difference between humans and
vampires and ascribes superiority to the vampires.


Molly/StormBorn
Cousin, Seducer, Forum Fanatic, Ravenette, Dark Trinity, FK Pagans
Abnormally fond of dead guys...
smolly4@q.......
http://stormborn.tripod.com/ (under reconstruction)

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Date:    Mon, 5 Mar 2001 00:21:27 -0600
From:    "Nancy E. Kaminski" <nancykam@m.......>
Subject: Re: Skin & Textiles

Molly wrote:

> would barely fit a modern 12-year-old. I think even in
> their mortal lifetimes Nick and LaCroix would have been considered giants.

I recall reading a history book in the last year or so (darn, can't remember
which one it was, except that it was on the Middle Ages) that made the point
that while on average people were shorter, that still didn't mean that taller
people weren't reasonably common. Think bell curves. Not as common as they are
now, but nothing all that unusual. As an example, although one from a later
period (late 1700s, early 1800s) Napoleon had his Imperial Guard regiment, made
up exclusively of men 6 feet tall or taller. That means he was able to draw
several thousand men of fighting age from the general population who met the
qualification. The English also had regiments with height requirements.

I also think that Nick, as a Norman, had a better chance genetically of being of
larger stature due to the fact that the Normans were descended from the invading
Scandinavians that populated Normandy and the Low Countries--peoples known for
their larger height (hey, I live in Minnesota and am surrounded by 6-foot-plus
Swedes and Norwegians <g>).

I think the effect they would have had in their mortal days is the same that
someone about 6'3" or so has now---you're conscious that the guy is tall, but
not freakishly so. Contrast that with seeing a 6'10" man---we have a guy like
that in my office, and when I was walking beside him I felt absolutely miniscule
at my 5'4". That kind of height is unusual and very noticable.

Anyway, that's my .02 on it.

Nancy Kaminski
nancykam@m.......

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Date:    Mon, 5 Mar 2001 03:22:14 EST
From:    KnghtWtch@a.......
Subject: Re: Missing V4S parts

Well I think something is really wrong as I recieved only parts 1 thru 8.
How did you guys manage to get 9 thru 11.  Or should I assume it's an AOL
problem.  Could some one plase be kind and send me 9 thru 11.  Thanks ever so
much.
KnightWitch ;-]=


In a message dated 3/4/01 9:42:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,
emilymhanson@y....... writes:

<< I also only recieved parts 1-11.  I'm saving them until the
 rest come through.  Hopefully they will!

 --- Kyer <kyer@p.......> wrote:
 > What the heck happened to the posting of By The Book?
 > I received 1 thru 11 of the 16---and then it just
 > stopped.

 Emily

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Date:    Mon, 5 Mar 2001 05:48:52 EST
From:    Marel Darby <Frostsaint2@a.......>
Subject: Re: Skin & Textiles

nancykam@m....... writes:

>>(One of the Ripper's victims was nicknamed 'Long' Liz for her
>>exceptional height.She was all of four feet, eleven inches, if memory
>> serves.)

>  (putting on pedantic hat) According to "Jack the Ripper, the Complete
> Casebook", Elizabeth Stride was about 5'4" or 5'5". FWIW. :-)

The 'Casebook' may have the correct version --I was relying on a recently
published review of the autopsy reports of the Ripper victims.

webwarren@e....... writes:

> We are taught in history class that the "great" Henry VIII of England, so
>called for his great height, stood 5' 0" tall.

Ah, that's interesting. I've seen a suit of his armour, and that was made for
a man of six feet. So...vanity armour? <g> Royal propoganda? Or a small
Henry rattling around in a very large suit.<g>

Marel

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Date:    Mon, 5 Mar 2001 05:19:29 -0800
From:    Lisa McDavid <cecily1349@y.......>
Subject: Royal heights

Henry the VIIIth was a tall man even by modern
standards, around 6 feet. It was his daughter,
Elizabeth I, who was about 5 feet.

Medieval churchyards, when excavated, persistently
show average heights the same as moderns in the area.
What causes the discrepancy seems to be that being
tall is commoner now because of better nutrition.
Still, in history, Charlemagne was well over six feet
(this from examination of his skeleton) and Mary,
Queen of Scots is an example of a woman who was 6 feet
tall in the 16th c.

It is true that moderns are much heavier than their
ancestors.

McLisa

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Date:    Mon, 5 Mar 2001 06:52:00 -0700
From:    Molly Schneider <smolly4@q.......>
Subject: Re: Skin & Textiles

Nancy wrote:
>> I recall reading a history book in the last year or so <snip> that made the
point that while on average people were shorter, that still didn't mean that
taller people weren't reasonably common. Think bell curves. <snip><<

Hmm. As in, statistically speaking, the average life span may be in the 30s or
40s, but many people did live to be quite old (70s, 80s, even a few centenarians).
The statistic is somewhat skewed by the high rate of infant mortality and the
more devastating effects of epidemics. I see.


Molly/StormBorn
Cousin, Seducer, Forum Fanatic, Ravenette, Dark Trinity, FK Pagan
smolly4@q.......
Remember: always pillage *before* you burn!

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Date:    Mon, 5 Mar 2001 06:22:15 -0800
From:    "David J. Duncan" <dante0220@y.......>
Subject: Re: Max size of fkfic-l posts

Hi Everyone:

Aw c'mon, so it takes three weeks to post it....I
know I like to see stories in my mailbox when I
open it on my lunchbreak.  With the insanity in
my workplace, I look forward to seeing everyone's
fic pieces.  Just remember, Rome wasn't built in
a day and neither is good fanfic--just ask the
General.  (Did I just refer everyone to LC?  Man,
it's gotta be Monday..... <g>)

For the record, it took me ten days apiece to
post "Climax" and "Children of Darkness".

As for limits, I have to agree with Emily--even
though the limit is 300 lines, I would keep the
pieces in the 230-260 range if possible.  (Line
wrapping is the reason I switched my subscription
from Hotmail to Yahoo.  This account seems to
work much better with the listserver.)

<sigh....>Oh well, off to work.  To those of you
in the northeast, keep in touch, stay warm, and
stay safe.  That weather's not to be messed with.

Sincerely,

David

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Date:    Mon, 5 Mar 2001 11:04:21 -0500
From:    Judy Cataldo <judycat@p.......>
Subject: Off Topic--Ontario Cat lover needed

Posted with permission of McLisa
Could anyone who likes cats and lives in Ontario to contact you offlist.

judycat@p.......


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Date:    Mon, 5 Mar 2001 08:54:15 -0800
From:    Sunny LaCountess <countessa2000@y.......>
Subject: Re: Max size of fkfic-l posts

> Kyer is bugged eyed.
>
> (I *knew* I should'a stopped this monster at 50kb!

Will you also post it on your website? I find it a lot
more convenient to read stuff from the web rather than
the list.

Just personal preferences, no flames.

Countess

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Countess -- Devoted Knightie, Immortal Beloved, Dark Trinity, with UF and
Enforcement tendencies

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