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FORKNI-L Digest - 28 Jan 2001 to 29 Jan 2001 (#2001-32)

Mon, 29 Jan 2001

There are 14 messages totalling 444 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Calling Don jFasig
  2. Converting NTSC tapes to PAL (FK related...really!)
  3. Raffle #29
  4. Forgiveness
  5. Right Place, Right Time (2)
  6. [Re: [FORKNI-L] Nick As Sire]
  7. Nick as sire / failure of Janette's cure / babies & parting
  8. astrological signs and Happy Nick Knight's Birthday
  9. [Formatted mail]
 10. [Magic In FK Cannon] (2)
 11. Hello!
 12. Yes,she's still alive--and has a fanfic question to boot.

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Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 2001 18:47:54 EST
From:    WRDRR@a.......
Subject: Calling Don jFasig

Mr. Fasig,
I used your name in a story that I am looking to post in the next few days
and need your permission.  One cop says the ME, Fasig, is out getting a cuppa
coffee.  That's all.
Thanks,
Wanda

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Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 2001 05:43:33 +0100
From:    Nadine Ziekursch <naddy1228@y.......>
Subject: Converting NTSC tapes to PAL (FK related...really!)

Hi everyone...
coming out of lurking on this list to ask something...it is actually FK
related, even if it doesn't seem like it at first .. :)
I am DESPERATLY looking for someone who can convert US ntsc tapes into
european pal format. My VCR who used to play my ntsc tapes has started to
refuse playing it properly, one time without picture, the other time without
sound...and since it is a great vcr besides of that lil fault, I don't
really want to throw it away and can't afford to buy another one...so I
though maybe a helpful soul somewhere on this list could help converting my
existing ntsc tapes (mainly Deborah Duchene guest appearances and some other
FK goodies)...they are only 4-5 tapes and I would of course pay for all
expenses like blank tapes and postage to ANYWHERE (I live in Germany).
Or...does anyone (in europe preferably) know a store that is selling
vcrs/adapters or alike that convert ntsc/pal ...? Maybe some way to do it
via computer (with TV in/out graphiccard)?
Would be really happy if someone could help me with this matter.
It should be best to contact me offlist I think, since it is really just
remotely FK related :) Thanks in advance already!
naddy1228@y.......

bye
NADINE

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Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 2001 15:36:02 -0700
From:    Keoki Harman <inion_daughter@h.......>
Subject: Re: Raffle #29

>We have exactly 17 entries signed up for the current raffle.

I'm letting my inexperience show, but what reffle...

>I don't know whether it's the prize,

...what prize?

Steph

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Date:    Mon, 29 Jan 2001 00:30:24 EST
From:    JeanG477@a.......
Subject: Re: Forgiveness

Jeannie wrote:

>Perhaps he needed to be forgiven.  His faith in God was a strong theme
>with him.  He felt he'd turned away and had to work for his forgiveness.
>The Bible says ask and you shall receive.  If he would simply ask that
>might be his "cure".

and Cindy Ingram <cgi271@a.......> wrote:

>For a truly excellent story that asks this very question, try Jean Graham's
>"A State of Grace." I don't have the URL for her fiction page handy, but it
>may also be archived at the ftp site or fkfanfic.com.
>It's well worth the read.

With many thanks for the kind words... :-) ... "A State of Grace" is indeed
archived at fkfanfic.com (I'm not sure about the ftp site), and may also be
viewed, along with all my other FK fiction (and more) on my website at
http://members.aol.com/JeanB7.

Just scroll down to the archives section and click FOREVER KNIGHT.

--Jean Graham

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Date:    Mon, 29 Jan 2001 09:24:18 -0500
From:    Tim Phillips <Timp@d.......>
Subject: Re: Right Place, Right Time

> > Faith. Not necessarily in a god or being, but in himself, love,  and the
> > world. His faith was not only lost in the church but in almost everything.
>
> Probably he'd have to trust a man not to betray him, since it was de la
> Barre, and the commanders in the Crusades, who destroyed his faith to begin

        Perhaps not.  I have also felt that Nicholas followed Natalie into
the abyss on nothing more than his faith in her.  That she was right
that there was some place beyond and that they would be together.
      You can interpret the end of Last Knight in positive terms.  We
do see the sun rising, instead of setting.  Subtle, but perhaps a
symbol that a "new dawn" has arisen for Nicholas.  That he has
finally left the Eternal Night and stepped into daylight with Natalie
at his side.

                Tim

 Tim Phillips
 timp@d.......

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Date:    Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:19:05 -0500
From:    Portia 1 <portia1@m.......>
Subject: Re: Right Place, Right Time

>We do see the sun rising, instead of setting.  Subtle, but perhaps a
>symbol that a "new dawn" has arisen for Nicholas.  That he has
>finally left the Eternal Night and stepped into daylight with Natalie
>at his side. -- Tim Phillips  timp@d.......

That's a beautiful idea! I do believe the sun rising was a symbol of the "end of
the (K)night," tho I know that's blasphemy! "g" My feeling on the matter is that
Nick *truly* knew what he wanted -- that he no longer wanted to be a vampire and
that he wanted a "life" with Natalie, but, regardless, becoming mortal was his
quest, however quixotic that may have made him.  Outside of this highly
metaphysical show, I would not condone suicide, but, in the context of *Nick's*
FKverse, I think he truly believed he was making a positive and declarative leap
of faith.

I know this may be a very unpopular view, but I personally would have hated to
have the show end with Nicholas still a vampire.  I would have mourned that idea
as much as I mourn the stupid ending of Q-Leap that stated that "Sam never made
it home" (or however it was exactly worded).  I love my knights in armour
(tarnished or otherwise) for the courage and integrity of their quests, no
matter what the odds and no matter how many times they are knocked down.  I
*certainly* never wanted dear Nick to die -- I love the guy! -- but I love his
penultimate commitment to his goal.

Anyone read or seen Miller's "The Crucible?"  This is one of my favorite plays,
and one that profoundly moves me.  John Proctor isn't a hero to me because he is
a faultless man, or a man of great insight, compassion, or understanding.  In
truth, he is none of these things -- he was a simple guy who had an affair with
a young girl, and who subsequently got caught in circumstances beyond his
ability to control or even really understand.  He's a hero to me b/c he
ultimately refuses to compromise himself, no matter that he is fully aware that
it will lead to his death.  He himself knows that he is no "hero"; he simply
can't compromise on that which is most important to himself, which is the truth
of his fundamental self.  Nick can't give up on his committment to becoming who
he fundamentally wants to be, and I love him for that courage.  I guess the
greatest heroes are the ones never give up striving for their goals despite
their faults, whether the achieve them or not.

Portia

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Date:    Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:20:04 -0700
From:    Rose Thatcher <dreamerextrodanar@h.......>
Subject: Re: [Re: [FORKNI-L] Nick As Sire]

and it was because the world was going to end. some astroid or something.
                 'Rose

>If I recall correctly, it was Sparky.
>
>Emily
>
>Extremis <e_blanco1@y.......> wrote:
>
>Was that vamp's name "Scar"?

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Date:    Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:21:45 -0600
From:    "B. Stone" <STONEB@g.......>
Subject: Nick as sire / failure of Janette's cure / babies & parting

re:  Nick as sire:  Yes, LC was very patient with Nick.  Perhaps too patient,
from Nick's point of view.  A less patient LC would have abandoned Nick
centuries ago and left him free to try as many cures as he wished. <g>  Nick is
capable of great patience, too.  He continues to live under LC's thumb, his
every attempt to become mortal foiled again and again and again.  He could end
it all by stepping into the sunlight, but that would constitute suicide, it
would violate his moral code and prevent him (he thinks) from earning eternal
salvation.  Nick's problem with his vampire children is not so much a lack of
patience, (in my opinion) as an unwillingness to violate his moral code by
causing more humans to suffer.  Giving Elizabeth, Richard, and the doctor a
second chance would have meant putting humans at risk.  He had to weigh his
guilt at ending their unlives against the guilt he would feel if he were
(ultimately) responsible for one more human death.  The humans won.

re:  Janette's cure:  Would Janette's cure have worked if Nick had been more
patient and taken the time to make love to Nat and sipped just a bit?  Maybe.
On the other hand, this may be one of those gender-specific bits of vampire
mythology.  A female vampire can make love first and sip later, while
perhaps a male vampire would need to sip first (or have a
transfusion).  Enough said.

re:  babies crying when someone leaves.  Actually, there is a certain stage in
their development at which virtually all babies become really upset when anyone
leaves.  I no longer remember what the usual age for this is, as my youngest
passed through it over a decade ago.  It's really quite amazing.  The same
child who cries bitter tears when his parents leave him with the sitter, cries
yet again the next morning when he discovers to his horror that while his
parents have returned, the sitter has disappeared!!!!  This is not to say that
a child who suffers some sort of abandonment will not have a more severe or
longer-lasting reaction to being temporarily parted from loved ones.

                B. Stone
                stoneb@g.......

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Date:    Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:30:27 -0500
From:    Sandra <sandragray@r.......>
Subject: Re: astrological signs and Happy Nick Knight's Birthday

fkforever wrote:
>Granted I know next to nothing about astrology; however,
>if I were to base their Zodiac sign on the data of their vampiric
>birth dates...

Why would you do that?  LC and Janette were born long before they
were brought over.

I think LC is a Scorpio and Janette is probably a Libra (because of her
beauty and willingness to be the "mediator" in her vampire family).

McLisa wrote:
>Nick claimed to have been born on Jan. 1, 1958, so today is his official
>birthday. Personally I think it's unlikely to have been his mortal birthday
>because I can't see him as a Capricorn.

Wasn't that Jan. 1, 1957?  I agree that can't have been Nick's birthday.
He seems more a Cancer to me (loves home, dwells on the past).

--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--sandragray@r.......

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Date:    Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:12:31 EST
From:    Billie Lee <McCelt2000@a.......>
Subject: Re: [Formatted mail]

In a message dated 1/9/01 7:02:15 AM Pacific Standard Time,
cecily1349@y....... writes (AKA McLisa from another address <g>):

> AOL 6.0 users have a special problem because the html
>  can't be turned off unless you're sending from their
>  web interface. Please be aware of this if you have
>  AOL.

<waving madly at McL and the List>

When I saw the warnings (**BTW Thanks to those who posted about it!!**) about
AOL 6.0 I intnentionally stayed with 5.0..........so......my question is:

What does it mean to be "sending from their web interfaces?" ::::::blushing
in embarrassment from not knowing what is probably obvious:::::::: I would
upgrade but I am afraid to, I have heard such icky things plus this HTML
business, has anyone figured out how to send plain mail from AOL 6.9 yet?

I won't update to AOL 6 unless they *force* me to unless I know I can send
mail without all that HTML jazz in it.  I remember when I joined this list I
had enriched text turned on and it goofed things all up until the lovely McL
and some others helped me figure out how to turn it off way back then!

Anyhow, hope all is well and that my fellow listmembers are doing OK, I have
been in lurkdom for a long time.  Lot going on, but still among the living
here :>)

Back to hiding in the shadows...........

Forever Yours,
Billie-Lee

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Date:    Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:05:14 -0500
From:    Melinda Hughes <Melinda_Hughes@v.......>
Subject: Re: [Magic In FK Cannon]

Tammy Foley Wrote-
"I dont mean to sound like a major bitch...it has to do with some other
trama that happened."

Sorrry all, but I just have to put my 2 cents in here and hope no one gets
ticked at me.....

1) Please remember that each child is different, meaning that just because one
child has a 30 second attention span it is ver possible that another child might
have one that is considerably longer or shorter.
2) No one is exactly just how much young children/babies understand, so it is
very possible that this child might have trauma issues about being left behind.
3) As for being adopted, I am too, and although I personally don't remember much
like I said it is not impossible that some children do have memories right from
birth on that perhaps we loose as we grow older.... (Pure speculation here, just
a thought! *G*)
Finally it is very possible that you are right and that this child may  have
issues stemming from another source, I won't debate you there but I just think
that to completely dismiss the chance that he might actually have had a
traumatic expereience when he was separated from his mother cuts out another
viable option...
(In my very humble opinion that is! *G*)

Thanks folks for letting me rant, and sorry to McLisa for going a bit off topic!
(*Hoping freverently listmommy won't ground me for life, or unlife as it may be!
*G*)
-Mindi

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Date:    Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:24:31 -0800
From:    "Kelly C. Smith" <tigrlady2u@j.......>
Subject: Hello!

 I just wanted to say thank you to everyone that sent such lovely
thoughts my way, as I dealt with the death of my Mimi.  I am eternally
grateful to you all for your support and love.
 It has been a rough road and I am finding that some days are easier than
others.
 I got home and 'officially' checked my email and found nearly 800
messages inundating my mailbox!  I had to pick and choose what to keep,
so now I am in the process of reading what was left (still over 400
messages!).
 I am trying to read through the stories that were posted and get to
replying to them, as well as trying to make time to work on 'Pipe Dreams'
(no, I haven't abandoned it!).
 On a funnier note, I was reading Kylie's wonderful tale 'Cowpats and
Gumboots' (cute title, btw!) and I started laughing hysterically at the
part where Sam says something about still not knowing how they get the
m's on m&m's.  Anyway, my seven year old heard me laughing and she looked
at me with an odd expression.  Then she yelled to my ten year old, "Mom's
cracking up~ quick... call 911!"
 Ah, the joys of parenthood...
 I am happy to be back and I love being a part of the wonderful FK
family.

KC Smith
tigrlady2u@j.......
Nick/Natpacker with Dark Knightie tendencies.
"I've never met a chocolate I didn't like."

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Date:    Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:23:11 EST
From:    Billie Lee <McCelt2000@a.......>
Subject: Re: Yes,she's still alive--and has a fanfic question to boot.

> KYER wrote:
>  > It's confirmed.  I've been working with a mild case of pneumonia which is
>  > why I am now mostly stuck in bed <bored sigh> *resting*.

I hope you are well by the time I finally read this, Kyer since I am so far
behind in my email and not sure where I am just now..... <g>

Anyhooooooooo, Get All Better NOW and take care!!!!

Forever Yours,
Billie-Lee

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Date:    Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:26:19 EST
From:    Tammie Foley <X7xAngelx7x@a.......>
Subject: Re: [Magic In FK Cannon]

In a message dated 1/29/01 1:53:33 PM Mountain Standard Time,
Melinda_Hughes@v....... writes:

<< Tammy Foley Wrote-
 "I dont mean to sound like a major bitch...it has to do with some other
 trama that happened."

 Sorrry all, but I just have to put my 2 cents in here and hope no one gets
 ticked at me.....

 1) Please remember that each child is different, meaning that just because one
 child has a 30 second attention span it is ver possible that another child might
 have one that is considerably longer or shorter.
 2) No one is exactly just how much young children/babies understand, so it is
 very possible that this child might have trauma issues about being left behind.
 3) As for being adopted, I am too, and although I personally don't remember much
 like I said it is not impossible that some children do have memories right from
 birth on that perhaps we loose as we grow older.... (Pure speculation here, just
 a thought! *G*)
 Finally it is very possible that you are right and that this child may  have
 issues stemming from another source, I won't debate you there but I just think
 that to completely dismiss the chance that he might actually have had a
 traumatic expereience when he was separated from his mother cuts out another
 viable option... >>

I didnt mean to toally dismiss it. I dont know all the facts, like how old
the child is but i do know that for the first 4 or 5 months, a "normal"
babies development isn't advanced enough to actually remember things long
term. Of course there are exceptions to the rule :)

I WOULD like to add that adoption is a wonderful thing! Us who are know it
better than most because we know how easy it would have been for our mothers
to just get rid of their little problem. IF anyone out there is pregnant or
you know someone who is and you arnt ready to be a mommy, give your baby to
someone who cant have children. Your baby deserves life and love!!!!!!

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