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FORKNI-L Digest - 26 Jan 2001 to 27 Jan 2001 (#2001-30)

Sat, 27 Jan 2001

There are 26 messages totalling 660 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. I wrote this really long piece of fanfic - anyone know what I
     should do w...
  2. a hug for David
  3. [Magic in FK cannon] (5)
  4. Little FK Moments...
  5. 80,000 words == x kb?  (was:  I wrote this really long piece of fanfic -
     anyone know what I should do w...) (2)
  6. I wrote this really long piece of fanfic - anyone know what I
     should do w...
  7. Right Place, Right Time
  8. I wrote this really long piece of fanfic - anyoneknow what I
     should do w...
  9. Margies new theory (2)
 10. Valentines Lair webpage (3)
 11. Nick's Failures As A Sire
 12. Nick As Sire
 13. Defining "Intrusion"
 14. [Re: [FORKNI-L] Nick As Sire] (2)
 15. Long fanfic I'll send it to FTP/ will need some permission slips
 16. Ben Bass ALERT: Movie and Series
 17. That really long story I wrote- so I guess I won't post it?

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Date:    Fri, 26 Jan 2001 05:37:51 -0700
From:    Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: I wrote this really long piece of fanfic - anyone know
         what I should do w...

> At 80,000 words, please break it up even to throw it on a Web page

<cough>

Um.. would somebody please explain to the resident Squirette just what that
means in terms of actual kilobytes?  Other than that, all I really want to
know is (a) what is the story about? and (b) where and when it will be
available for public devouring?

:)=
Kyer, kyer@p.......
One of the perpetually Hungry, Squirette to Nicholas, CotK and just about
any other faction that has Nick in it!  Hehehe <g>.

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Date:    Fri, 26 Jan 2001 05:46:49 -0700
From:    Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: a hug for David

{{{{David}}}} and to you, too, {{{{Kimberlee}}}} (who has suffered two blows
in the space of 6-weeks.)

:' (=
Kyer

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Date:    Fri, 26 Jan 2001 06:04:33 -0700
From:    Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: [Magic in FK cannon]

Jeannie wrote: I believe if Nick truly loved Natalie her blood
> would have "cured" him. I sometimes doubt he did. He did an lot of
> flitting from this woman to that woman in the last season.

Which is another reason why I think Nicholas should remain vampire.  His
head may want to act the faithful human partner, but his heart leans to: 'I
need every scrap of love that I can get!"  Lacroix was wrong when he accused
Nick of not knowing what he wants.  He does know.  He wants *everything*.
It's just that he's still in denial of that fact.

I wish the series had had the chance to explore more of why this is so.  Was
it caused by Janette's 'divorcing him?  Or was this bottomless pit in his
soul created in reaction to something else?

I once knew a child adopted at birth who went into hysterical screaming fits
whenever it came time to say goodbye.  And it didn't matter who it was.  At
that time no one she knew had died.  All we could speculate was that she
*somehow* 'remembered' her natural mother going away and not coming back.

So, perhaps it was the death of a loved family member that so scarred a
mortal Nick?

Have I inspired any fanfic ideas out there? <g>

:)=
Kyer, kyer@p.......

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Date:    Fri, 26 Jan 2001 15:20:27 -0700
From:    Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: Little FK Moments...

> And there's always ABBA. Like I would find a reason to not play ABBA :D

ABBA is good.  Especially for the song title:  Gimme, Gimme, Gimme (A Man
After Midnight!)
What female FKer could argue with that?

:)=
Kyer, kyer@p.......

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Date:    Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:28:57 -0500
From:    Diane Harris <diharris@v.......>
Subject: 80,000 words == x kb?  (was:  I wrote this really long piece of fanfic
         - anyone know what I should do w...)

> Um.. would somebody please explain to the resident Squirette just what that
> means in terms of actual kilobytes?

Well, the longest story I've ever written is 220 kb and it's roughly 38,000
words.  Go figure :)  Technical explanation?  A character is a byte.  1000
characters make a kilobyte.  Say an average word is 5 characters.  That
means that 80,000 words is roughly 400 kb.  That jibes with the fact that my
220kb made roughly half that.

Wow, I got way too into that explanation.  I'll go away now.

Diane Harris (diharris@v.......)
Proud NNPacker, Knight, FoDS, CoTK, and glutton for any and all feedback.
http://filebox.vt.edu/users/diharris/Homepage.htm

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Date:    Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:31:29 -0500
From:    Diane Harris <diharris@v.......>
Subject: Re: 80,000 words == x kb?  (was:  I wrote this really long piece of
         fanfic - anyone know what I should do w...)

> words.  Go figure :)  Technical explanation?  A character is a byte.  1000
> characters make a kilobyte.  Say an average word is 5 characters.  That

Oops!  1024 characters make a kilobyte.  Forgot about the powers of 2--still
doesn't change the calculation much, but I thought I'd amend myself in case
you actually cared :)

Diane Harris (diharris@v.......)
Proud NNPacker, Knight, FoDS, CoTK, and glutton for any and all feedback.
http://filebox.vt.edu/users/diharris/Homepage.htm

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Date:    Fri, 26 Jan 2001 14:40:17 -0800
From:    "David J. Duncan" <dante0220@y.......>
Subject: Re: I wrote this really long piece of fanfic - anyone
         know what I should do w...

Hi Everyone:

Figuring about 200 words per page, it would be
about 400 pages.  (One heckuva novel!  Wow!)

So, when is it going to be posted????

Thanks

David
(who likes ABBA too--particularly "Dancing
Queen", "Angel Eyes", and "Eagle")

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Date:    Fri, 26 Jan 2001 14:48:48 -0800
From:    Klytaimnestra <lbowman@c.......>
Subject: Right Place, Right Time

on 1/26/01 2:00 PM, Cecilia wrote:

> Faith. Not necessarily in a god or being, but in himself, love,  and the
> world. His faith was not only lost in the church but in almost everything.

Fascinating idea.  Janette needed to love a man, because love had been
pretty much beaten out of her by life as a brothel slave. Nick had faith in
society beaten out of him by his betrayal by his lord, and then his
experiences in the Crusades.  In fact he looked like a textbook case of
post-traumatic stress disorder; like the combat veterans who came home from
Vietnam and were never the same, and still aren't.  He would have to trust
that there was something that would not betray him.

Probably he'd have to trust a man not to betray him, since it was de la
Barre, and the commanders in the Crusades, who destroyed his faith to begin
with.

I need to think about this more.  What a thought!

K
--
Klytaimnestra             lbowman@c.......
Fanfiction at http://members.home.net/lbowman

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Date:    Fri, 26 Jan 2001 18:12:15 -0500
From:    Stephanie Kellerman <stephke@i.......>
Subject: Re: I wrote this really long piece of fanfic - anyoneknow what I
         should do w...

I have offered to take it but haven't heard from anybody.  So if I ever get it
I will post it.

"David J. Duncan" wrote:

> So, when is it going to be posted????

--
Steph
stephke@i.......
ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/
http://www.richardbasehart.com
"The sea..where each man, as in a mirror, finds himself", Richard Basehart as
Ishmael

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Date:    Fri, 26 Jan 2001 18:33:07 EST
From:    PF820@a.......
Subject: Margies new theory

Hi,
    I could definately live with this idea!!!  It sounds like a pretty good
FK fic idea!
Patty

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Date:    Mon, 27 Aug 1956 12:59:12 +0000
From:    Jeannie Ecklund <jecklund@l.......>
Subject: Re: [Magic in FK cannon]

>In Last Knight, he just bites her and she dies.

I prefer to think of her has still hanging on the edge with a chance to
be taken to the hospital or brought across.

Jeannie

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Date:    Fri, 26 Jan 2001 18:43:35 -0700
From:    KYER <KYER@p.......>
Subject: Valentines Lair webpage

I ran across this link from another webpage and discovered that the fiction
page hyperlink does not work.  An attempt to notify the owner of the page
was bounced back to me.

If you know the owner of this site, please let inform them their fanfic link
is broken?
Valentine Lair:  http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Studio/1306/valpage.html

There.
Got my Good Squirette deed done for the day.
...now I can go back to writing up Evil Things to do to a certain Knight in
ficland.  Hehehe.

"Kyer!"

What?

:)=
Kyer, kyer@p.......

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Date:    Fri, 26 Jan 2001 21:00:18 EST
From:    PF820@a.......
Subject: Re: [Magic in FK cannon]

Jeannie,
    You are right, how could I have actually used the word 'dies'  I know she
didn't die!  Somewhere out there in tv heaven, they are all living happily
ever after!  Thanks for the reminder.
Patty

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Date:    Fri, 26 Jan 2001 20:56:13 -0800
From:    Brenda <bcammarata@h.......>
Subject: Re: Valentines Lair webpage

>>If you know the owner of this site, please let inform them their fanfic link
>>is broken?Valentine Lair:
>>http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Studio/1306/valpage.html

I tried it and it worked fine for me.

Carpe Noctem

Brenda
UCCelebration 2000, Wolfville 2000

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Date:    Fri, 26 Jan 2001 23:09:21 -0000
From:    Barbara Vainio <bevainio@w.......>
Subject: Re: [Magic in FK cannon]

Margie Hammet wrote:
>
> I've got a theory (Caution! Wild Speculation Ahead!) that each person's
> cure for vampirism is individual, and it would have something to do with
> the circumstances surrounding the person becoming a vampire in the first place.
>
What *would* Nick's cure be under this scenario?  Something on a battle
field? "Nowhere to run..." seems to negate that, but perhaps the right
combination of things didn't happen for him.  Perhaps if *he* had saved
Tran?

Or would it be related to his seeming loss of faith after the Crusade?  Joan
of Arc seems to argue against that.  Perhaps if he had saved her?

Maybe something related to Gwyneth?   Like saving a "damsel in distress"?
Maybe recovering the harp form Lord De LaBarre's should have done that.

Anyway, I really like the idea, but I think the writers are making it hard
to get it to work.

Barb

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Date:    Fri, 26 Jan 2001 22:49:35 -0600
From:    Margie Hammet <treeleaf@i.......>
Subject: Re: Margies new theory

At 06:33 PM 1/26/01 -0500, PF820@a....... wrote:

>     I could definately live with this idea!!!  It sounds like a pretty good
>FK fic idea!

In my mind, I've got my own ending for Forever Knight that uses the
idea.  Unfortunately, I'm not a fiction writer, and I can't put to paper
what I can see in my mind.  In true FK form, though, it leaves the "what"
it is that is the actual cure for Nick somewhat ambiguous.  <eg>

Bring 'em back alive!
Margie (treeleaf@i.......)
Cousin of the Knight ~ N&NPacker
CotK Site -- http://lavender.fortunecity.com/evildead/879/

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Date:    Mon, 27 Aug 1956 12:45:59 +0000
From:    Jeannie Ecklund <jecklund@l.......>
Subject: Re: [Magic in FK cannon]

>For Nick, I think the cure would have to be something different.

Perhaps he needed to be forgiven.  His faith in God was a strong theme
with him.  He felt he'd turned away and had to work for his forgiveness.
The Bible says ask and you shall receive.  If he would simply ask that
might be his "cure".

Jeannie

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Date:    Sat, 27 Jan 2001 09:04:23 -0500
From:    Stephanie Kellerman <stephke@i.......>
Subject: Re: Valentines Lair webpage

I think what she means is the fiction link on the page that she has the link
to.  The link she put in the email works.  It is the fiction link on that page
that doesn't work.  That link is:
http://users.ap.net/~joss/valentine/index.html

--
Steph
stephke@i.......
ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/
http://www.richardbasehart.com
"The sea..where each man, as in a mirror, finds himself", Richard Basehart as
Ishmael

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Date:    Sat, 27 Jan 2001 08:50:18 -0800
From:    Extremis <e_blanco1@y.......>
Subject: Re: Nick's Failures As A Sire

Hi Liz,

<<I've often wondered if the 'failure' wasn't so much
Nick's parenting ability as his choice of offspring.>>

I'm wondering if something else should be taken into
account: is it possible that Nick was a little
impatient with his potential children? LaCroix put up
with alot, considering what his expectations were from
Nick. No, he didn't coddle Nick, but when he saw that
he was having trouble shedding his humanity
completely, he didn't destroy Nick on the spot and go
off to find a more suitable potential vampire.

Nick on the other hand immediate felt let down by his
children when they didn't turn out like him-with their
connection to their humanity still intact. He wasn't
responsible for the doctor's death during the plague,
but he did say that he had destroyed him (or at least
I think that was what he said). It was an immediate
assumption, and maybe a little premature. The doctor
was still coming to grips with the change. Of course
he was overwhelmed and drunk on his new abilities-it
was implied that Nick wasn't staying on top of his
progress, LaCroix having to tell him that the doctor
wasn't being discreet. Where was Nick while the doctor
was making the adjustment? More so than LaCroix, I
think Nick wanted to create vampires that were carbon
copies of himself, which was pretty unrealistic. What
do you think?

Eric

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Date:    Sat, 27 Jan 2001 09:24:59 -0800
From:    Extremis <e_blanco1@y.......>
Subject: Re: Nick As Sire

 Hi Jeannie,

<<I think Natalie on the other hand would survive if
made a vampire as she knows what to expect and she's
had a lot of experience dealing with vampires.>>

One thing that always bugged me about Nat-her take on
vampirism could change on a dime, depending on the
circumstances. Jealousy could do it: she lost it when
Nick was about to bring Tracy across, and wanted to
know why it was so impossible to consider bringing Nat
across as well. Grief also: after insisting that Nick
bring her brother across, what did she think he was
going to live on afterwards? Nick would've steered him
towards cow's blood, but meanwhile Nat didn't want
Nick drinking any blood at all. How would she have
handled her brother's vampirism in the long run? And
what was the episode where she sought out another
vampire to bring her across? Was that vamp's name
"Scar"? I need to play that one again, as I've
forgotten what it was that drove her to that, but my
point is, vampirism became an option whenever her
emotions ran off the scale. Unless Nat had the kind of
incredible control that would mean her very first
feeding would be a swig of cows blood, and nothing
else ever, her first killing would cause her to have
the kind of guilt that would impress even Nick. Your
thoughts?

Eric

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Date:    Sat, 27 Jan 2001 09:56:22 -0800
From:    Extremis <e_blanco1@y.......>
Subject: Defining "Intrusion"

Hi,

My sincerest apologies to the listmember who asked "I
don't know what you mean by 'intrusion'", but I can't
find the digest it was on, and I didn't want to leave
a direct response hanging. What I meant by
"intrusion", was the feeling of being imposed upon, or
of crossing the line, that CD must've felt towards
some of Nat's more overzealous fans, and that perhaps
an organization set up to handle autographed
photos/memorabilia would help satisfy the fan who
wants personalized FK stuff and hopefully at the same
time protect CD's privacy. I hope I explained myself
better this time and again, my apologies for making
you wait.

Hope you're having a nice weekend,
Eric

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Date:    Sat, 27 Jan 2001 13:05:18 CST
From:    Emily <emily.m.hanson@u.......>
Subject: Re: [Re: [FORKNI-L] Nick As Sire]

If I recall correctly, it was Sparky.

Emily

Extremis <e_blanco1@y.......> wrote:

Was that vamp's name "Scar"?

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Date:    Sat, 27 Jan 2001 13:14:19 -0800
From:    Brenda <bcammarata@h.......>
Subject: Re: [Re: [FORKNI-L] Nick As Sire]

>>If I recall correctly, it was Sparky.

It was, actually, Spark.

Carpe Noctem

Brenda
UCCelebration 2000, Wolfville 2000

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Date:    Sat, 27 Jan 2001 14:48:17 EST
From:    WRDRR@a.......
Subject: Re: Long fanfic I'll send it to FTP/ will need some permission slips

In a message dated 1/25/01 11:45:48 AM
<< Break it into chapters or parts ca. 250 lines and post three of them daily
on Fkfic-l until it's finished. I  think the record is over a hundred parts.
Anyway, by all means go ahead and post in installments.   McLisa  >>

This is exactly what I was trying to avoid.  I've been doing that with V4S
and it is a monumental Knightmare with my system.  So y'all, I will
probabably go back in and reformat my story to text. file etc. and send it to
FTP  If you like, I'll let you all know when I send it if that is okay.  This
may be the only way we see anymore 'books' for awhile.  ;-)   You would have
to be comitted to read/print out the whole shebang.  There is an index at the
end that explains the jokes/faction/show references.
BTW Libs and Mel  - this is the story I asked permission to use your names
long ago.  A character is named after Mel as a tribute and another after Libs
as a joke - (for a living the character exterminates rodents with extreme
prejudice)  I also used a lot of names of people on the web from whom I need
to get okays b4 I post.  Will take me a couple weeks.

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Date:    Sat, 27 Jan 2001 14:54:22 EST
From:    WRDRR@a.......
Subject: Re: Ben Bass ALERT: Movie and Series

In a message dated 1/25/01 5:33:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,
donaangel@h....... writes:

<< AWESOME and Very Talented BEN BASS
 is in the VH-1 cable channel movie "Strange Frequency". >>
The conversation at my house went:
"Hey, that looks like Vachon!"
"I think that's Vachon!"
"Is that really Vachon?"
"It sure looks like Vachon!"
"I think that's Vachon!"
"Do you think that's Vachon?"
"I think it really is Vachon..."
at which point my husband said, "I don't remember him at all."
But my husband only saw the first two seasons when he was in Mexico City
watching FK on Sony de Mexico.   Odd, given Vachon's history that they didn't
show the third season.  When Vachon fled South of the Border, he really left
for good it seems.
CTFS

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Date:    Sat, 27 Jan 2001 15:24:20 EST
From:    WRDRR@a.......
Subject: Re: That really long story I wrote- so I guess I won't post it?

In a message dated 1/25/01 11:49:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,
sandragray@r....... writes:

<< Do I understand you to mean that you will include the flashback you want to
 market to publishers in the FK story that you want to post to the FTP site?
 If so, I strongly advise against doing this.  .... IOW, they figure why
should they pay for something that's already been  read? >>

Well this is what I wanted to know - if I should forget the the FK book
(which I don't want to do but there does not seem to be any chance in heck to
publish it) and not put it online in its current form.  The flashback story
primarily involves Nick.  I would have to rework a beginning and ending and
some characterization, but the bulk of the FB would remain the same.  IOW, I
would be expanding part of a story - which will never be published in print
in its original form and read by a very small audience - that is only be
those who are FK and only those of FK  who love fanfic *and* have the
patience to download a lengthy novel.  Which is not too many people.  The
author of *She's Come Undone* originally published that story as a short
story - then expanded it later into novel length.  I would be taking a
section out of a *not really* published novel - expandiing it into an
independent novel or novella.
I want desperately for FK fans to read the present day story becoz I wrote it
for fans and it has a lot of insider jokes, tributes, etc. to FK and no one
else would *get it*.   I would really like to post it to FTP or somewhere FK.

"You put vinegar on French fries.  You put ketchup on macaroni."
-- Tracy instructing Nick on the fine points of Canadian dining from CTFS
 Casting T. F. Stone

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