FORKNI-L
FORKNI-L Digest - 24 Jan 2001 to 25 Jan 2001 (#2001-27)
Thu, 25 Jan 2001
There are 35 messages totalling 927 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Magic in FK cannon (3)
2. I wrote this really long piece of fanfic - anyone know what I
should do w...
3. I wrote this really long piece of fanfic
4. I wrote this really long piece of fanfic - anyone know what Ishould do
with it?
5. [[FORKNI-L] I wrote this really long piece of fanfic - anyone know what I
should do with it?] (2)
6. [Magic in FK cannon] (3)
7. I wrote this really long piece of fanfic - anyone know whatIshould do with
it?
8. Raffle #29 and letter writing (2)
9. That really long story I wrote: Casting the First Stone (2)
10. Word Association (9)
11. FTP archives (was: That really long story I wrote: Casting the First
Stone)
12. FTP archives (was: That really long story I wrote: Casting theFirst Stone)
13. Admin: Re: FTP archives (was: That really long story ...
14. YKYBRTMFFW (2)
15. Nat and Janette's cure
16. Screed - a tooth mouse? (3)
17. A question for all you Torontonians...
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:19:49 -0700
From: Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: Magic in FK cannon
Emily asked:
> Just out of curiosity, has there ever been an ep in FK involving any sort of
> magic, even just a mention of it? Possibly in Nick's search for a cure? I
> don't seem to recall one, but then I haven't seen every all the episodes yet.
You mean you don't think our vampires are magical? <innocent stare fades to
eg>
Right off the top of my head (and god knows how it got balanced there) the
Welsh harp from Queen of Harps comes to mind. It was heavily implied that
the instrument was 'calling' to him, both in the past and in the present.
Would you consider Franchesca magical? She came back to live sans original
body. Divia returned after 2000 years living in pretty cramped quarters.
I'd call that dark magic.
The Black Buddha was supposed to be cursed, I believe. (well, not *really*
<g>)
And the Mayan Jade cups.
The book of the Abbarat contained spells?
:)=
Kyer, kyer@p.......
Squirette to De Brabant, but it's okay, the poor guy is used to living
around wackos.
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:21:45 -0800
From: "David J. Duncan" <dante0220@y.......>
Subject: Re: I wrote this really long piece of fanfic - anyone know what I
should do w...
Hi Everyone:
In terms of the fanfics, if you can break it up
chapter by chapter (or part by part) and put it
on a website that works really well. (That way,
you aren't constrained by the 300 line limit
pertaining to email posts....)
If you want to see an example of this
organization, go to my story site.
Thanks
David
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:28:30 -0800
From: fkforever <fkforever@y.......>
Subject: Re: I wrote this really long piece of fanfic
Please brake it into chapters and post it.
Pleaseeeeeee!!!!
=====
Desiree
UFfer, UA, UT, NNpacker
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:39:52 -0500
From: Stephanie Kellerman <stephke@i.......>
Subject: Re: I wrote this really long piece of fanfic - anyone know what
Ishould do with it?
If you want to send it to me I can post it on the FTP site and then let everyone
know it is there. You can send it all in one piece as an attachment.
--
Steph
stephke@i.......
ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/
http://www.richardbasehart.com
"The sea..where each man, as in a mirror, finds himself", Richard Basehart as
Ishmael
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 17:30:06 CST
From: Emily <emily.m.hanson@u.......>
Subject: Re: [[FORKNI-L] I wrote this really long piece of fanfic - anyone know
what I should do with it?]
Post it so we can read it :)
Emily
WRDRR@a....... wrote:
> All,
> I wrote this reeeallllly long piece of fanfic - probably 80,000 words. Does
> anybody have any klew as to what I can do with it? Any thought are
> appreciated.
> Casting T. F. Stone
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 17:33:54 -0800
From: Brenda <bcammarata@h.......>
Subject: Re: Magic in FK cannon
I know it's a fine line, but I have always thought of the things like the
harp, jade cups, Francesca, etc. as spiritual rather than magical.
Spirituality seems to be part of the multi-layeredness of FK.
Carpe Noctem
Brenda
UCCelebration 2000, Wolfville 2000
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 17:37:28 CST
From: Emily <emily.m.hanson@u.......>
Subject: Re: [Magic in FK cannon]
Well of course they are, Unless you happen to think there's a purely
scientific explanation for vampirism in the FK universe.
Anyway, what I meant was any fairy-tale-type magic stuff, but other than the
harp from the episode I haven't seen (and if you want to include
religious/ritual objects in the category of magical items), I guess there's
not much provided in canon.
Thanks all!
Emily
Kyer <kyer@p.......> wrote:
> You mean you don't think our vampires are magical? <innocent stare fades to
eg>
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 19:07:01 -0500
From: Stephanie Kellerman <stephke@i.......>
Subject: Re: I wrote this really long piece of fanfic - anyone know whatIshould
do with it?
If there are some people that can't get to an ftp site I can post it on the
fkvoyage web site, also.
--
Steph
stephke@i.......
ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/
http://www.richardbasehart.com
"The sea..where each man, as in a mirror, finds himself", Richard Basehart as
Ishmael
--
Steph
stephke@i.......
http://www.fkvoyage.com
http://www.milillo.com
ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/
http://www.ensley-wilson.com
http://www.nimr.org
http://ej-art.com
http://www.nimr.net
http://www.richardbasehart.com
"The sea..where each man, as in a mirror, finds himself", Richard Basehart as
Ishmael
"If you obey all the rules, you miss all the fun." Katherine Hepburn
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 20:44:31 EST
From: WRDRR@a.......
Subject: Re: Raffle #29 and letter writing
All,
Hey, let's not hear that SuzieQ G is feeling disheartened. What the heck
else do we need to be doing while watching *other* TV programs. I keep a
supple of cheapo freebie (as in sent to me unsolicited by orgs trying to get
money from me) cards etc. in a box with the addresses (easily updated each
time you check on the raffles). Takes about one episode of The 70's show to
write and address the notes by hand.
I challenge all Caddywhackers to meet the *nine* I sent today!
Casting T. F. Stone Caddywhacked with a mail sack in back.
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:05:34 -0800
From: "David J. Duncan" <dante0220@y.......>
Subject: Re: Raffle #29 and letter writing
Hi Everyone:
What do I do while watching other TV shows?
I think of potential xovers for my storyline!
(Two more just came into my head last night!!!)
Back to work....
Sincerely,
David
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 21:05:52 EST
From: WRDRR@a.......
Subject: Re: That really long story I wrote: Casting the First Stone
All,
Thanks for all the enthusiasm. Whoddah thunk. Personally, I find it
annoying to try and read anything on my puter - much woud rather see the
fanfic (hint hint to Boulevard) in a paperback. (hint hint to anyone
publinshing chapbooks or small collections like the UF Pillowbook - count me
in!) I usually have to print it out.
Since I think I might not be the only one in this predicament, I am using up
Forkni-L space - at least for this post.
Steph- for the FTP site, do youse want it in plain text? I'll break up the
attachments into smaller parts per your instructions.
Also, copyrightwise, my friends have said that the flashback story (which is
pretty brutal- the worst thing Nick has ever done ) is worth a book by
itself. To quote, "Get rid of that Forever Knight crap and just do the
flashback as a book." So I am probably going to do that since Fk is a dead
market (no pun intended.) I can still recycle the flashback after posting to
FTP, correctamundo? Just checking.
Anybody have a problem with that?
Now is your chance, Steph, to give us any other caveats, helpful hints,
before posting to the everlovin' FTP.
I will never have my own website so I appreciate the work of those who helm
their own (for all our benefit) and are willing to bury themselves in my
prose.
Casting T. F. Stone Hey that's the same name as my story.....go figure!
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:05:03 -0500
From: Stephanie Kellerman <stephke@i.......>
Subject: Re: That really long story I wrote: Casting the First Stone
You can send the whole thing at once to me as a text file. As far as I am
concerned I don't care how big it is. For future reference for those who decide
to post their stories on the FTP site. If you are going to do a cut and paste
into an email I would prefer 1 story per email. If you are going to send the
stories as attachments you can send more than one story per email. If you can,
send it as a text file. If you can't I can convert it. The size of the email,
as I said, does not bother me since I have a very large mail box and I have a
very fast connection. So the size of the email will really just depend on how
long you want to wait to have the email uploaded with your connection. Also,
you need to put that you give permission to have the story posted to the FTP site.
Hope this helps.
WRDRR@a....... wrote:
>
> Steph- for the FTP site, do youse want it in plain text? I'll break up the
> attachments into smaller parts per your instructions.
--
Steph
stephke@i.......
ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/
http://www.richardbasehart.com
"The sea..where each man, as in a mirror, finds himself", Richard Basehart as
Ishmael
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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 1956 12:46:50 +0000
From: Jeannie Ecklund <jecklund@l.......>
Subject: Re: [[FORKNI-L] I wrote this really long piece of fanfic - anyone know
what I should do with it?]
Please break it up into chapters. I have an old computer and it will
not down load large stories. I miss so much. I love FK fiction.
jeannie
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 19:06:40 -0800
From: Bonnie Kate <callalily@l.......>
Subject: Word Association
What words or phrases do you associate with Vachon?
For example, Spaniard or "Because I can."
Bonnie Kate
callalily@l.......
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:13:14 EST
From: Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Re: Word Association
In a message dated 1/24/01 9:07:17 PM Central Standard Time,
callalily@l....... writes:
> What words or phrases do you associate with Vachon?
Vachonetti
V-Man
Matie
Hair Extensions (okay, okay, just hair - <wRPg>)
Inka
--Libs
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:17:36 EST
From: Tammie Foley <X7xAngelx7x@a.......>
Subject: Re: Word Association
In a message dated 1/24/01 8:14:16 PM Mountain Standard Time,
Libratsie@a....... writes:
<< > What words or phrases do you associate with Vachon? >"'
"....whats your point?"
and
"so?"
and my favorite
"Do no walk ahead of me for i may not follow. Do not walk behind me for I may
not lead. Do not walk beside me - JUST LEAVE ME THE HELL ALONE!"
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:55:57 -0400
From: "T. Floyd" <jflyer@b.......>
Subject: Re: Word Association
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Forever Knight TV show [mailto:FORKNI-L@l.......]On Behalf Of
> What words or phrases do you associate with Vachon?
My email is always announced with, 'WHAT kind of friends do you think I hang
around with anyway?' (my kids laugh every time)
Lap
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:56:29 -0000
From: Barbara Vainio <bevainio@w.......>
Subject: Re: [Magic in FK cannon]
Emily wrote:
> Well of course they are, Unless you happen to think there's a purely
> scientific explanation for vampirism in the FK universe.
>
Natalie certainly seemed to believe that there was a scientific explanation
for vampires. But I do wonder if she had changed her mind by the time LK
happened. After all, she was willing to try Janette's "cure" which seemed
to have no basis in science at all.
This is one of the reasons I find LK so hard to believe. this incredibly
intelligent scientist suddenly turns to a solution of a kind that she had in
essence poo-pooed for 6 years. Why should she suddenly believe that "just
taking a little" would work when she had told him for years that drinking no
blood at all was the only way to cure him. Poor Nick. He'd put up with all
those protein shakes and now Nat is admitting that it was all a crock :-)
Barb
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 00:13:08 -0500
From: Gladys Bears <rockiebears@n.......>
Subject: FTP archives (was: That really long story I wrote: Casting the First
Stone)
Stephanie Kellerman <stephke@i.......> wrote:
>Also, you
>need to put that you give permission to have the story posted to the FTP
>site.
The FTP site is the best source of FK fanfic we have now, until RL will allow
Mel to update her site again. And I find it even easier to find and download
stories from the FTP, may be it is a special trait of my connection, I don't
know.
Stephanie, need the authors write in their disclaimers exactly that you give
permission for their stories to be archived to the FTP? I'm asking it because a
few of them allow that their fiction can be archived everywhere, so they don't
mention www.fkfanfic.com and the FTP site one by one, and I was looking for one
of these stories and didn't find it on the FTP (namely "...et Willem ad Pevensae
venit." By Slinter). Or didn't I find the right folder?
Thanks
Gladys
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 21:45:08 -0800
From: Carlson <ustisaquui@e.......>
Subject: Re: Word Association
Bonnie Kate wrote:
> What words or phrases do you associate with Vachon?
>
> For example, Spaniard or "Because I can."
>
> Bonnie Kate
> callalily@l.......
The word 'acceptance' has always seemed to remind me of Javier...for his
ability to accept a person no matter what others may think. (who else
befriended a carouche and did all they could to held him?)
Tab
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 01:23:40 EST
From: Sss44@a.......
Subject: Re: Word Association
In a message dated 1/24/01 9:07:17 PM Central Standard Time,
callalily@l....... writes:
<<
What words or phrases do you associate with Vachon?
For example, Spaniard or "Because I can."
>>
Blink. Blink.
Because of some war fiction. Don't remember which war.
Scottie
sss44@a.......
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 02:04:59 EST
From: KnghtWtch@a.......
Subject: Re: Word Association
In a message dated 1/24/01 10:07:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,
callalily@l....... writes:
<< What words or phrases do you associate with Vachon?
For example, Spaniard or "Because I can."
>>
"Cars with fins are sexier....don't you think?"
KnightWitch ;-]=
CaddyWhacker[first and foremost], Die Hard, Ravenette with Enforcement
tendencies.
A Unique line of Forever Knight apparel is now available at:
http://hometown.aol.com/knghtwtch/index.html .....and.....
http://home.clear.net.nz/knightraven/pages.html
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:43:14 -0800
From: Cloud <clouddancer@h.......>
Subject: Re: Word Association
> What words or phrases do you associate with Vachon?
'Bite Me' ? heheh *cough* umm, how about:
'Do I look like a slacker to you?'
'We don't live to kill, we kill to live.'
--
Cloud <clouddancer@h.......>
Vaquera, Incarnate, Lonely Heart, Valentine,
Soņadore & closet Night Haven
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 03:05:50 -0500
From: "Stephanie S. Babbitt" <sbabbitt@b.......>
Subject: Re: Magic in FK cannon
Listmommy wrote:
>Just as a point of interest, the harp in Queen of
>Harps was supposed to be definitely magical.
My understanding was that in Gillian's original story, the harp "calls" to
Nick--not sure if by music or voice--when he's in the auction house at
night, and that's what reduces him to petty theft. :-) You can see Nick
pause and cock his head like he hears it just before he breaks open the
door and makes off with it. Removing that part of the story certainly
placed Nick's theft in a different light.
Gillian's original story didn't have Nick & co. routing the pagans, either,
did it? Wasn't her version more historically accurate?
>She wanted it known at the time that de la Barre's
>fatal encounter with the truck, wasn't her idea. :)
Do you know how she *did* dispose of the fellow? Presumably, he didn't make
it any farther along in age than any of his ancestors, with the harp still
intact...
--------------
Stephanie Babbitt (sbabbitt@b.......), Atlanta, GA
Vaquera (Because I Can), MadNatter, N&NPacker
Nobody Dies. Nobody Ever Died.
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 05:53:12 -0500
From: Stephanie Kellerman <stephke@i.......>
Subject: Re: FTP archives (was: That really long story I wrote: Casting
theFirst Stone)
When I first took over the FTP site I was pretty strict on saying it needed to
say the FTP site specifically, but lately I have relaxed that requirement. That
means earlier stories that said that they could be archived "everywhere'
"anywhere", etc. but actually didn't state "FTP" aren't on the site. I had been
going by what Lisa was saying about archiving. Lisa??
Gladys Bears wrote:
>
> Stephanie, need the authors write in their disclaimers exactly that you give
permission for their stories to be archived to the FTP? I'm asking it because a
few of them allow that their fiction can be archived everywhere, so they don't
mention www.fkfanfic.com and the FTP site one by one, and I was looking for one
of these stories and didn't find it on the FTP (namely "...et Willem ad Pevensae
venit." By Slinter). Or didn't I find the right folder?
--
Steph
stephke@i.......
ftp://ftp.win.net/winnet/fkvoyage/fkfanfic/
http://www.richardbasehart.com
"The sea..where each man, as in a mirror, finds himself", Richard Basehart as
Ishmael
"
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 04:07:53 -0700
From: Kyer <kyer@p.......>
Subject: Re: Word Association
> What words or phrases do you associate with Vachon?
Hair detangler.
:)=
Kyer, kyer@p.......
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 07:33:26 -0500
From: Tim Phillips <Timp@d.......>
Subject: Re: [Magic in FK cannon]
> This is one of the reasons I find LK so hard to believe. this incredibly
> intelligent scientist suddenly turns to a solution of a kind that she had in
> essence poo-pooed for 6 years. Why should she suddenly believe that "just
> taking a little" would work when she had told him for years that drinking no
> blood at all was the only way to cure him.
I think Natalie was a very intelligent scientist.
She was examining an unknown phenomenon (Nick + vampires).
She obviously was studying his physiology and attempting to
determine how to change it. She apparently had the wrong
techniques for some 6 years, but when presented with new
information - Janette, alive and mortal with details as to how she
had done this - Natalie was a good enough researcher to realize
that there was a way she had been discounting. With credible
proof in her hands, she adjusted her thinking to embrace what the
facts were, instead of what she wanted to preceive.
History is filled with "scientists" whose egos are so intertwined
with their job that they can never admit that they were wrong.
Natalie didn't suffer from this failing on this issue.
This is unfortunate for her, if one believes that Last Knight really
occured.
Tim
P.S. For the record: Last Knight never happened. It was sensory-
hallucination induced by the Alien Greys in sinister conspiracy with
the major television networks. Or that is my story for today.
Tim Phillips
timp@d.......
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 06:12:49 -0800
From: Lisa McDavid <cecily1349@y.......>
Subject: Admin: Re: FTP archives (was: That really long story ...
Stepke said at first she'd only archived stories that
specified permission to archive on the ftp site.
Lately she's archived stories that just said they
could be archived anywhere. She had been going by my
list rules.
I agree that "anywhere" should include the ftp site.
Just going on record,
McLisa
owner, Forkni-l and Fkfic-l
mclisa@m.......
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:00:29 CST
From: Emily <emily.m.hanson@u.......>
Subject: YKYBRTMFFW
You know you've been reading too much FK fanfic when you hear a news story
about a coroner findng a live person in a body bag, and you can't help but
think of Nick and Nat.
emily.m.hanson@u.......
Visit my homepage at http://www.starbase-eprime.com
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:21:05 EST
From: Judith Lieberman <JudithL21@a.......>
Subject: Re: YKYBRTMFFW
The thought also struck me. The coroner walked past the body bag that had
been brought in and heard the "body" coughing. This is true.JudyL
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:03:56 -0800
From: Lisa McDavid <cecily1349@y.......>
Subject: Nat and Janette's cure
Nat didn't notice the implications of what had
happened to Janette. Presumably she was too stressed
out to think clearly.
It is still possible that Janette's cure was
scientifically based.
1. Janette said of Robert (is that his name?), that
his blood calmed her heart. That's poetic, but it
sounds as though she meant it didn't bring out the
vampire. There might have been something unusual
about Robert's blood chemistry. It's a pity there was
no way for Nat to get a sample to test.
Oh, dear, now I have a mental image of Nick trying to
whammy R's son and sister for blood samples in case it
was in their blood, too. :)
The factor might have only reacted as it did with
Janette's body chemistry. Theoretically even if Nat
isolated the factor it might not work on Nick. Then
again, since he and Janette are part of the same
vampiric lineage, it might. Either way could be
explained with this scientific cheese.
Janette didn't become mortal until after the shock of
R's death. Maybe whatever his blood had done to affect
her vampire, only brought her back across when
combined with body chemistry changes from strong
emotions. It's hard to imagine Nat inducing that kind
of reaction from Nick in the lab.
Note that Nick's reaction to having apparently killed
Nat was extreme grief. Janette seemed to feel a
combination of rage and grief. So again, the cure
might not work on Nick even if there was a special
factor in R's blood.
McLisa, who has always had a fancy to own a cheese
shop :)
mclisa@m.......
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:43:35 EST
From: Libratsie@a.......
Subject: Screed - a tooth mouse?
I just learned that in South Africa, there's a tooth mouse who leaves money for
children's teeth just as the tooth fairy did for me when I was little.
Kin ya put yar margine-nation ta picture a lil' 'un wakin' h'up wot ta find
SCREED nippin' away 'a tooth wots been left unner a pil-o-billow?
--Libs
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:09:07 -0600
From: "Christella M. Stillman" <cstillma@u.......>
Subject: Re: Screed - a tooth mouse?
At 01:43 PM 1/25/2001 EST, Libratsie@a....... wrote:
>I just learned that in South Africa, there's a tooth mouse who leaves money
>for children's teeth just as the tooth fairy did for me when I was little.
>
>Kin ya put yar margine-nation ta picture a lil' 'un wakin' h'up wot ta find
SCREED nippin' away 'a tooth wots been left unner a pil-o-billow?
Long as he doesn't leave them a drained ratsie in place of the tooth instead
of the promised money. Can you imagine reaching up under your pillow
expecting to find a bright, shiny quarter and pulling out a cold, dead
ratsie with fang marks on him instead? Now THERE'S the making of a twisted
little fanfic for ya. <G>
Christy
cstillma@u.......
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:02:03 EST
From: SFryar@a.......
Subject: A question for all you Torontonians...
Greetings! :)
I'm currently working on the next chapters of "In Another Life", and several
crucial scenes takes place in the SkyDome... and I have a couple of questions
for all you Toronto residents...
How many stories tall is the SkyDome and and what's the distance across it?
I haven't been able to find the information on the Web, and when I think I've
found something, AOL decides to crash on me <grumbling at AOHell>.
Any assistance in figuring this out will be deeply appreciated.... please
respond off-list.
Many thanks! :)
StephiLyn
(temporarily sigless....)
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:50:38 EST
From: Laudon1965@a.......
Subject: Re: Screed - a tooth mouse?
In a message dated 1/25/01 12:14:41 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
cstillma@u....... writes:
<< Can you imagine reaching up under your pillow
expecting to find a bright, shiny quarter and pulling out a cold, dead
ratsie with fang marks on him instead? Now THERE'S the making of a twisted
little fanfic for ya. <G> >>
Not to mention several years in therapy. <G>
Laurie of the Isles
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